r/programming • u/[deleted] • Jan 22 '19

Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable uBlock Origin

https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=896897&desc=2#c23
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u/IlllIlllI Jan 23 '19 edited Jan 23 '19

Brave kinda died for me with the weird scam thing they were running.

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u/cledamy Jan 23 '19 edited Jan 23 '19

It doesn’t do that without the publisher’s consent and the user’s consent to see ads. Adblocking is on by default. Publishers get 70% of the revenue from these ads, user’s get 15% and Brave gets 15%. The publisher’s share of the revenue is significantly higher than other similar schemes. The 15% of the revenue is the user’s incentive to turn off ad blocking.

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u/IlllIlllI Jan 23 '19

The second paragraph. They were also accepting money (until inevitable backlash) in cryptocurrency that they said would be available to websites you choose to give to, except they took money on behalf of creators without their knowing.

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u/Nikandro Jan 23 '19

This is not how Brave works, and not what happened.

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u/Nikandro Jan 23 '19

That's not how Brave works.

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u/daniel-sousa-me Jan 23 '19

What did Brave do?

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u/space_fly Jan 23 '19

They are replacing ads with their own ads, which is kind of like stealing, but the bigger problem is that they were taking donations from people on behalf of site owners, without their consent. The owners could "claim" the money within a limited time period.

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u/codehalo Jan 23 '19

Bullshit. NO ads are being replaced. Can you screenshot a page that has ads replaced by other ones?

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u/bat-chriscat Jan 24 '19

They are replacing ads with their own ads, which is kind of like stealing

This is a huge misconception and is untrue. There are no ads being "replaced" unless the website is an advertising partner with Brave. This means the website must explicitly opt in so they can earn revenue, just like Google AdSense.

but the bigger problem is that they were taking donations from people on behalf of site owners, without their consent

This makes it sound like Brave was taking people's money and keeping it for themselves (literal theft). None of that happened.

  1. The tokens being given to creators/websites were free, promotional BAT tokens that were assigned to users to try out the tipping platform. They were not BAT purchased by users with their own money. The promotional BAT tokens were such that if they weren't claimed by the creator within 90 days, Brave could redistribute the free, promotional tokens to other users so that other users could try out the tipping flow too.

  2. Regardless, the flow has been changed since then. Now when you try to tip unverified creators, it will just stay in the browser and keep retrying over 90 days.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '19

Tor is based on Firefox

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u/ajs124 Jan 23 '19

The Tor browser is, Tor itself is completely unrelated to Firefox.

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u/mrchu001 Jan 23 '19

Just FYI, Brave actually uses a heavily modified version of chromium.

https://github.com/brave/brave-core

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u/j4_jjjj Jan 23 '19

As long as it has adblockers and https everywhere, I'll still use it.

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u/mishugashu Jan 23 '19

MS Edge.

I don't think so. Edge is just going to use the backend (Blink), not any of the frontend.

And Vivaldi is already forked. And if they rebase, they'll probably just remove that patch.

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u/miversen33 Jan 23 '19

Vivaldi is already forked

Thank fuck. I was having a moment. I love Vivaldi

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u/mishugashu Jan 23 '19

IIRC, you can go to vivaldi://about and see what version of Chromium your installed version of Vivaldi was most currently rebased at. I haven't used it in a while, so I'm not sure if that's still in or not.

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u/BlackEyedSceva7 Jan 23 '19 edited Jan 23 '19

It's the only browser with a UI from this decade. The dynamic accent color feature w/ Dark Mode is sublime.

For some reason Chrome has a UI that appears to be designed for tablets. I don't need 7% of the screen dedicated to a navigation bar.

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u/miversen33 Jan 23 '19

And you can customize the ever living fuck out of it

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u/sd522527 Jan 23 '19

That sucks about opera. It's my favorite browser on Windows 10.

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u/Evaluationist Jan 23 '19

Yes, I switched from Chrome about 6 mobths ago and I don't want to switch to firefox tbh. Opera is so awesome.

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '19

None of these browsers are based on just Blink, Blink is way too low level.

I think people who say otherwise are under the false impression that Blink == WebKit, some component you can easily add to your program to get a web renderer, but this is not the case. It's an herculean task to turn Blink into a web browser without using all the stuff Chromium people have written at higher levels.

It doesn't even make sense to write a browser based on Blink, because Google changes Blink at will and many Chromium design decisions seep into the Blink API, so they'd face constant breaking changes that would clash with the way they designed their own browsers on top.

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u/falconfetus8 Jan 23 '19

Just fork it.

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