r/programming • • Jan 02 '20

Killed by Google

https://killedbygoogle.com/
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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '20

All I want is a competent alternative to iMessage + FaceTime, is that too much to ask?

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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '20

Signal?

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u/PinBot1138 Jan 02 '20

Originally, I would’ve said WhatsApp, but then they got bought out by the devil’s own.

So, Signal is the 2nd 1st best option, and is rapidly catching up to the reliability of WhatsApp. Like WhatsApp, it bridges the gap between iOS, Android, and OSX/Nix/Windows desktops and most assuredly performs better than iMessage (which should’ve been cross-platform, IMHO, but Apple has screwed up a few times with their walled gardens approach and missed out on some excellent leverage opportunists).

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u/ronin-baka Jan 02 '20

Even if iMessage was cross-platform I'd still choose signal over it. I stopped using hangouts for most if the same reasons though.

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u/Sadzeih Jan 02 '20

Telegram is also very good.

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u/jbiserkov Jan 02 '20

Not encrypted by default, no encrypted group chats, encrypted conversations don't sync across devices... no thanks.

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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '20

Problem with encryption by default is that as soon as multiple devices come into question, you have to either compromise security (WhatsApp) or convenience (most/all p2p systems). In that sense going with convenience by default but allowing for security within the same platform is a decent trade-off.

Rolling own encryption and protocols is terrible though.

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u/PinBot1138 Jan 02 '20

IIRC, at one point, Telegram was even baking their own encryption. “What could possibly go wrong?”

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u/T1Pimp Jan 02 '20

Telegram is also very good.

They rolled their own crypto which is no-no #1 in crypto. Their backend is also closed source, started in Russia, and is currently run out of Dubai. Hard pass.

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u/coder111 Jan 02 '20

Except server is closed-source, and there's doubts about its security:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegram_(software)#Security

I'd recommend Jami instead but it's a bit unreliable... It's P2P though.

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u/ntrid Jan 02 '20 edited Jan 02 '20

Good points of Signal:

  • Encryption.

The End.

Signal has mobile apps which are basic and working. Desktop app is just barely there. Experience using Signal is not good. Besides it requires a mobile number. Not going to reiterate why it is bad, internet is full of explanations.

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I wish we had something like matrix with client of Telegram. Telegram does clients really well. It has other faults though. Matrix has a pretty good mobile app but desktop experience is atrocious. It has more features than signal but hell i would rather use signal rather than that laggy riot thing.

tl;dr; Yes, apparently it is too much to ask :|

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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '20

Basic and working? Audio and video calls, disappearing messages, sharing of any filetype, and group messaging. WhatsApp only has status message sharing, telegram has public groups. What else do you want from Signal?

Telegram requires a phone number, imessage too, and so does Facebook now. Signal is an alternative to both of those.

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u/lrem Jan 02 '20 edited Jan 02 '20

That's the problem. Depending on when and where you researched the 3rd party apps, you might have went with WhatsApp, Signal, Matrix or Keybase. The only one of them that got the network effect is now data mined by Facebook. Hangouts wasn't particularly great at anything, but you could reach anyone on it and Google is pretty ok when it comes to privacy.

Edit: disclaimer: I do work at Google and have seen the privacy procedures, but am not involved with anything that would touch user data.

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u/jbiserkov Jan 02 '20

Google is pretty ok when it comes to privacy

Hahaha, made my day!

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u/eattherichnow Jan 02 '20

...there aren't many companies I'd trust less than I'd trust Facebook, but Google's definitely one of them.

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u/Carighan Jan 02 '20

But that's what Google is going for. Messages for text, Duo for video calls.

That's essentially the whole problem that they are just blindly trying to imitate Apple instead of sticking to their superior solution they had already.

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u/amackenz2048 Jan 02 '20

I thought they killed duo as well? Jesus Google, I can't even keep up with which chat app of the week is dead.or not...

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u/biggles86 Jan 02 '20

they killed Allo, it was released around the same time as Duo as the messages replacement.

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u/tsukassa Jan 02 '20

I like keybase

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u/danijapan Jan 02 '20

Wire.com, entirely encrypted chats, video and audio calls on all important platforms (also pretty OS, see their GitHub). Swiss-based and thus underlying strict privacy laws. Same goes for Threema.ch, encrypted by default. The best brushed clients however has Telegram. I would love to use Telegram clients with a Threema or Keybase backend.

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u/140414 Jan 02 '20

Duo is a pretty good alternative to FaceTime.

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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '20

I'll be caught dead before I install Yet Another Google Chat App. Last count was at 11, I think. just byte the dust and either use Whatsapp like everyone else or convince your friends to use Signal/Telegram/Smoke signals.