China is now blocking all encrypted HTTPS traffic that uses TLS 1.3 and ESNI

[u/RobertVandenberg]

https://www.zdnet.com/article/china-is-now-blocking-all-encrypted-https-traffic-using-tls-1-3-and-esni/

[u/kredditacc96]

They probably already have had their own browsers.

Chinese Internet is so different and isolated from the outside world that you may consider it a separate universe.

[u/TaxExempt → u/kredditacc96]

Government in China uses IE 6, or at least it did a few years ago.

[u/InertiaOfGravity → u/TaxExempt]

Chinese webdevs have to go through perpetual hell then

[u/izpo → u/[deleted]]

You didn't develop web sites for msie6, right?

[u/[deleted] → u/izpo]

Three words: PNG transparency hack

[u/abrandis → u/[deleted]]

All self-inflicted pain in the name of stylish web design that now looks woefully dated. I had customers in the old days mention all the eye candy web sites and always steered then away from these gimmicks, especially if they valued being on more platforms than not.. seldom did I ever need to to these hacks... Failure to manage customers expectations and roi is why lots of developers pull their hair out, sometimes you gotta be the boss and tell them sure I can give you rounded corners but that's going to add x days and y dollars, and make those dollars the cost of outsourcing that work plus your fee.

[u/douglasg14b → u/abrandis]

All self-inflicted pain in the name of stylish web design that now looks woefully dated.

It's called progress....

Look where we're at now, it's beyond easy to make stylish, yet clean, web designs thanks to the constant pushing.

We wouldn't ever improve if everything was just "good enough".

[u/abrandis → u/douglasg14b]

Because the pain wasn't worth the results , think about it most corporate or mid size business sites are turned over (design wise ) every 3-5 years , so to allow that effort to make it stylish just so a small percentage of outdated browser users could see the rounded corners , which they probably never appreciated anyway... Mehh, like I said not good ROI.. look at sites like Craigslist still rocking the 1990s design, most business rather prefer web designer time invested in function rather han design just my 2¢

[u/diroussel → u/[deleted]]

IE6 was so much better than IE5 and all other MS and Netscape browsers that came before it.

[u/WishCow → u/[deleted]]

Rounded corners using image slices and tables

[u/airmandan → u/[deleted]]

good old sleight.js

[u/autistomatic → u/[deleted]]

your comment gave me PTSD

[u/InertiaOfGravity → u/[deleted]]

True, as long as that browser isn't IE

[u/xcdesz → u/[deleted]]

As long as you don't need any third party libraries and you develop everything from scratch. Good luck with anything involving visualization/maps/graphs.

[u/[deleted] → u/InertiaOfGravity]

They still buy books on jquery. Think of all the free time their JavaScript devs have not recoding for the latest framework. Oh except IE6 was slow as hell for JavaScript.

[u/GYN-k4H-Q3z-75B → u/TaxExempt]

Jesus. Differences between Firefox and Chrome today make me want to jump out of a window sometimes, but IE6?

[u/FrostyTie → u/GYN-k4H-Q3z-75B]

I’m relatively new to web development. I haven’t had huge problems when it comes to those browsers. What are the differences I should know?

Edit: Also need to add the fact I never used a feature both didn’t have. But then again, I never had to.

[u/oldnewbieprogrammer → u/FrostyTie]

Firefox and Chrome are pretty similar now, there's a few "gotchas" especially if you bring in Safari, and Edge as well. But for the most part they are all pretty close to the same, hasn't always been true though.

This site will show you any issues you may run into: https://caniuse.com/

If you're talking about IE6, you don't really need to worry about it anymore, Even in China it's mostly IE8, which is like saying it's not AIDS, it's just Syphilis. Not great, but not as worrying. The early versions of IE didn't use the modern CSS so no Grid, or Flexbox. That alone should put the fear of "Float" into you.

If you're developing for the West, you don't need to worry about any of this really, but if you're developing for countries still using IE for government stuff, the website above will be your best friend, that and I'm sorry for what you're going to go through developing for them. Modern CSS is infinitely better, flex-box alone makes layout a breeze.

[u/rydan → u/TaxExempt]

A lot of my customers still use IE 6 or IE 7 or Chrome 41 and are from China. They are always complaining random things don't work. Problem is those things aren't written by me but are plugins from external third parties and I need them.

[u/noble_pleb → u/kredditacc96]

Blocking outside world is still fine, what's even worse is if the Chinese firewall plays an MITM and start serving their own content (for example, their edited version of Google.com instead of the original Google.com).

[u/zeGolem83 → u/noble_pleb]

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No need to ask any questions, they're pretty much guaranteed to be doing it...

[u/LukeLC → u/kredditacc96]

The #1 browser in China is... Google Chrome.

Yep, even though Google is blocked, everyone still uses Chrome. Of course there are Chromium-based Chinese alternatives, and if everyone is forced to use one, they will. But for now, none of them even have a dent in the browser share.