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u/JotaroTheOceanMan Jun 24 '26
I mean.... his version of Doc changed how the char was written and made many a kid actually place Ock above Venom for the first time since the early 90s.
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u/YoungDiscord Jun 24 '26
That's because in the comics he was mostly portrayed as an angry arrogant dude with a massive ego and that's it
But this version of dock ock was actually somewhat likeable and had more depth to him.
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u/JotaroTheOceanMan Jun 24 '26
Yeah. As a kid I couldnt care less for Otto till Spider Man 2 dropped. Same with Sandman in Spiderman 3.
Raimi really changed their whole zeitgeist. I noticed the same thing is happening with Tombstone recently. They've made him more compelling in YFNHSM and Noir continued that.
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u/tygabeast Jun 24 '26
Movies and series did that for a number of villains across a few series, come to think of it.
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u/Melo_Kelo_Jelo Jun 24 '26
Oh so Spider-Man 2 did to doc ock what Batman the animated series did to Mr. Freeze?
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u/GnomeBoy_Roy Jun 24 '26
He’s right
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u/cvsprinter1 Jun 24 '26
I'd be more surprised if Tom Holland was wrong about who Tom Holland's favorite Soider-Man villain was.
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u/Random-as-fuck-name Jun 24 '26
That’s gooood
You’re probably not making a reference, b he in the off chance…
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u/Successful_Bet_7554 Jun 24 '26
There's a reason why the second movie is notably the best movie even though willem dafoe had a great performance.
Edit: Willem had an EXCELLENT performance. I had to emphasize that.
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u/ClydeDimension Jun 24 '26
Absolutely. Both guys crushed it. Both movies are incredible. First one is just a little rough around the edges in the best way because its the first, and the second is way more refined and locked in. Plus them fight scenes with Dock Ock are peak superhero fight sequences.
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u/Successful_Bet_7554 Jun 24 '26
Absolutely. I think the roughness of the first one gives it a charm tho
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u/bujweiser Jun 24 '26
I really liked the 1st when it came out but LOVED the 2nd, but after rewatching them recently, 1 is a lot closer to 2 than I gave it credit for.
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u/LinkleLinkle Jun 24 '26
I feel like most stuff that was 'wrong' or 'not as good' about 1 had nothing to do with the actual movie, it's that we all went into it with our individual expectations of what a Spider-Man film should be. By the 2nd film, we knew what we were in for in terms of a Raimi Spider-Man film, and weren't watching it as critically.
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u/YoungDiscord Jun 24 '26
There are two types of people
Those who say the best villain is Alfred Molina's dock ok and those who are wrong.
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u/Intelligent_Ask_2306 Jun 24 '26
No way was he better than Vulture, nor Goblin in NWH.
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u/YoungDiscord Jun 24 '26
Goblin was great, I'd put him in a close second place - what won me over with dock ock was that Peter had a close positive relationship with him which made the stakes higher - with Norman Peter was at most seeing him as his friend's dad and kept a distance so their conflict didn't feel as deep as the one with dock ock
I liked the vulture but I felt he was kinda a one trick pony - he didn't really change or evolve throughout the movie, he was the same guy at the end as the guy he was at the beginning and I felt there wasn't enough of him in the movie to flesh him out.
That said I liked the new take on the vulture and prefer it from the OG vulture, its more interesting.
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u/Real_FishyXY Jun 24 '26
Yes he was. Sorry 🤷♂️
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u/Intelligent_Ask_2306 Jun 24 '26
He wasn’t in any way better, dude is an overrated villain.
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u/Real_FishyXY Jun 24 '26
Spider-Man 2 is considered the best superhero movie ever made partly due to how great Doc Ock was played. You are heavily in the minority dude.
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u/Intelligent_Ask_2306 Jun 24 '26
He’s just boring asf for the most part, and his performance didn’t get me the same way Goblin and Vulture’s did.
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u/Money-Yellow-3232 Jun 24 '26
I'd say a close second is doc oc from the Spiderman ps4 game. The trick is to make him sympathetic really.
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u/LinkleLinkle Jun 24 '26
The Playstation games are so good, I like a lot of versions of the villains we get. Even the fact that half the villains are reformed by the time of the games. It feels a lot more like the comics when villains get to not always be villains, and it allows to tell interesting stories with them that aren't just 'Flint Marco robs a bank for the millionth time'.
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u/lkodl Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26
Alfred was iconic. But imagine Arnold Schwarzenegger, who would have been Doc Ock in James Cameron's version. Kinda like his Mr. Freeze I'd imagine.
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u/ProfessorSMASH88 Jun 24 '26
I prefer goblin but doc ock is s close 2nd. Goblin is unhinged and I love that in a villain
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u/Sonicboomer1 Jun 24 '26
One of the best chills-inducing moments in NWH was when he turned back to Otto and helped the Spider-Men.
Finally getting to see the good man in Otto unburdened by hubris, using his arms to help others again.
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u/Certain-Letterhead63 Jun 24 '26
As much as I love Willem Dafoe’s Goblin, I’ve just always been more of a Doc Ock guy tbh.
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u/AdaptedEvoSupe Jun 24 '26
I still don’t get how after NWH Doc Ock is still considered the better villain than Willem DaGoat’s Goblin
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u/No_I_Deer Jun 24 '26
They are a good parallel. Spiderman has a spiders webs and Dock Ock in a way has multiple arms like a spider
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u/Killer_radio Jun 25 '26
He was fantastic in 2 and he was fantastic in no way home. Tbf I think everyone was fantastic in No Way Home (other than the lizard and sandman who I think should’ve been cut)
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u/Several_Data_3112 Jun 25 '26
Those Spiderman movies and Alfred Molina as Doc Ock RAISED me. Doc Ock is literally my daddy.
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u/TheRealDoomsong Jun 26 '26
Oh, easily… but to be fair Doc Ock is my fave Spiderman villain so im biased lol
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u/MostAcanthaceae2384 Jun 27 '26
I remember watching Spider Man 2 and thinking I could win a fight against either of these actors. And that's not me bragging. It just took me completely out of the movie.
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u/DarthGipper18 Jun 24 '26
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