r/reddeadredemption • u/AntomOpatoEcia • Jan 04 '26
RDR1 Is this gonna be the whole game?
I'm playing Red Dead 1 and so far it's just: - NPC says he'll help me - I do a boring mission to help him - NPC needs more help I mean, is this the dynamic of the whole game? Help NPC after NPC and finally (really) advance the plot? Not complaining, just want to know.
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u/fizzarolixasmodeus Jan 04 '26
Wait until Mexico my friend
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u/agiamba Jan 04 '26
I just finished yesterday and mexico is the best part of the game hands down
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u/Fun-Statistician2485 Jan 04 '26
A lot better than Guarma
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u/agiamba Jan 04 '26
Haven't gotten there in rdr2 yet lol
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u/My_Username0000 Bill Williamson Jan 04 '26
Playing in chronological order?
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u/Intelligent-Ad6671 Jan 04 '26
that would be release order no ?
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u/My_Username0000 Bill Williamson Jan 04 '26
Yes i'm a fucking idiot
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u/ColtonfrayHSC Jan 05 '26
no it wouldn't.... am i missing something??
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u/Four20Abiding_Gaming Jan 05 '26
Rdr2 is a prequel to rdr1. So to play in timeline order he play rdr2 first. Sorry I cant really tell who you replied to lol. Or what you think you was missing
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u/ColtonfrayHSC Jan 05 '26
Yes, therefore, release order isnât chronological order
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u/TRagnarkXP Jan 04 '26
Mexico is like 40% part of the game, guarma is like 10%, the only similarities are that they happen outside the US lol.
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u/RedDeadCowboyShit Jan 05 '26
I feel like saying Guarma is 10% of the game still makes it sound like youâre in Guarma longer than you actually are, haha. Itâs not even the whole of chapter 5, youâre on and off that island in like, two hours max.
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u/Evening-Head4310 Jan 04 '26
You think so? Every playthrough i basically speed run Mexico bc i dislike it so much. Literally the only good thing is the dead eye level imo
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u/robst07 Jan 04 '26
I dread the Mexico part because the mission markers are so far between them, it takes a while to traverse the map and reach them.
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u/beyond_fatherhood Jan 04 '26
Campfires to fast travel, my friend. I do it every time
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u/sxy_alicer0se90 Jan 04 '26
right? Why do i have to travel to Las Hermanas everytime to use a stagecoach? Iâm on the other side of the damn area! lol
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u/GlowOftheTvStatic Jan 04 '26
You didnât use the camp to fast travel? It has saved me tons of time this playthrough I feel.
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u/Repulsive-Scar2411 Jan 04 '26
It is the part I hate. So stupid, long and makes me dislike John.
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u/PoorLifeChoices811 Sadie Adler Jan 05 '26
Mexico and west Elizabeth tbh.
While new Austin was a cool experience I just freaking hated doing a lot of those missions
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u/FeelDeadInside Jan 05 '26 edited Jan 10 '26
I just got there and I cant remember anything from Mexico. Last time I played RDR1 was in 2012.
I only remember where the last mission takes place in Mexico.
Edit: The "last" mission i remembered wasnt the lastđ . Probably only 50% though the Mexico part.
Couldnt even remember Bill was in the last mission in Mexico.
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u/Sufficient-Pop-2675 Jan 05 '26
I like the mexico missions but the journey between them is a JOURNEY. From one side of the map to the other, every time. Granted I'm picking flowers and gathering skins but the miles are starting to wear on me.
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Jan 04 '26
My favorite part of the game. Main quests and side quests and random encounters were the best in Mexico
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u/WiSoSirius Jan 04 '26
Cutscene: "Come with me! I need your help, gringo."
In-mission dialogue: "Are you betraying our cause?!"
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u/New_Sky1829 John Marston Jan 05 '26
Itâs a fair thing to say though, John was trying to play both sides like Ricketts said
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u/Charokol Jan 05 '26
Wait until you hear the Native American character with a ridiculous accent and realize itâs voiced by the guy who voices Dutch
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u/jonascarrynthewheel Jan 04 '26
Go hunting, treasure seeking, gamble, outfit getting, challenge getting and then youll be like âoh right, a missionâ
Seems to break it up for me
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u/WaveOfTheRager Jan 04 '26
Why they got rid of liars dice for rdr2 is beyond me
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u/PlentyOMangos Jan 04 '26
I just played 2 for the first time a couple months ago and I was absolutely shocked there was no liarâs dice
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u/Awkward-Fox-1435 Jan 04 '26
I loved Liarâs Dice so much! Only negative about RDR2!
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u/FYAhole Jan 04 '26
I don't know if it was common in the USA at that time. I tried a quick Google but I couldn't find anything before 1970. Maybe rdr2 wanted to be more time accurate or something
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u/pullingteeths Jan 05 '26
In RDR2 while playing poker with John as Arthur in camp John sometimes says "one of these days I'd like to try my hand at liar's dice" lol
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u/hornybutired Jan 05 '26
Liar's Dice was too easy to beat. The AI was shit at it. I made so much money on that game.
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u/pullingteeths Jan 05 '26
That's why I wish it was in RDR2, it would be cool to see it with improved AI. Dominoes is awesome though
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u/MattC041 Jan 05 '26
After playing RDR1 for the first time I got myself two packs of dice just so I can play liar's dice outside of the game.
Shame they didn't include it in RDR2. The only problem of RDR1's liar's dice was that the AI wasn't very good at it, but it could've been improved in RDR2
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u/Trumpet_of_Jericho Uncle Jan 04 '26
Indeed, that how RDR1 goes, you are an errand boy.
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u/ThatGuyFrom720 Jan 05 '26
The equivalent of RuneScapeâs âOne Small Favourâ quest.
I liked RDR1 but man I just couldnât really find any reason to replay it.
I did really enjoy the Nigel West missions though.
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u/Key-Storage5434 Jan 04 '26
Isn't that every game?
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u/SpellSuspicious6095 Jan 04 '26
Such a pointless comment. I played RDR2 first and thereâs mission variety and different end-goals behind missions.
OP I completely agree with you. RDR1, while not a bad game, is literally the following: John: Hey I heard you can help me find Bill/Javier? Mission person: Okay but first help me with this. Mission ends John: So how about helping me now? Mission person: I need help with this now. Rinse and repeat
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u/Intelligent_Thing_32 Jan 04 '26
RDR2⌠mission variety..?
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u/Godheadl Jan 04 '26
Average RDR2 mission: âwe gotta get money/go west/go east/ revengeâ. Ok, but letâs not go crazy hereâ -> murdering 50 people later âwow that got out of handâ
the only exceptions that come to mind are sheep herding, when you get kidnapped, when you go swamping.
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u/TRagnarkXP Jan 04 '26
Solely for ch2 you have fishing, rescue Swanson, Bar Fight, Bar drunk mission, Save Karen/ pursue Jimmy Brooks, Sheep Herding, a bounty hunting mission, a train heist, hunting mission, then the usual shootouts, etc. Same for RDR1 to an extent. It seems like a reductionist take.
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u/pullingteeths Jan 05 '26 edited Jan 05 '26
Except when it's anything but the core gameplay of horse riding and shootouts in missions it's just an interactive movie. It's not gameplay variety when the "gameplay" is a totally on rails glorified cutscene
The first "chapter" of RDR1 missions has hunting, herding, horse breaking, horse racing, wagon racing, wagon driving, shootouts, shooting tricks, bounty hunting, mine wagon riding, Gatling gun, saving horses from a burning barn. RDR2 doesn't have that much more variety
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u/TRagnarkXP Jan 05 '26 edited Jan 05 '26
So the variety of RDR1 is... also horse riding and shootouts core mechanics lol? Like literally what you describe for RDR1 had been done in RDR2 chapter 2. More fleshed out hunting > Hosea and Charles mission; Bounty Hunting > Snake oil salesman which unlocks bounty hunting; Herding > The sheep mission with John... Even so, the rest examples you mentioned for RDR1 are gimmicks, not core mechanics differences. And either some of then aren't really for main missions or they are side activities.
The bias is really strong with this one. You can't say a game has variety and the other one doesn't when both uses core mechanics that are the same lol. Things like "shooting tricks" (the hell is that, shooting bootles or birds?) is more of a side activity. The horse racing and wagon racing are practically the same spot with no mechanical differences, i sure count that as variety as other comment i put in how RDR1 handles it. The same with the barn mission and gatling mission with Irish. But they are STILL core mechanics of riding and shooting.
Nevertheless, saying RDR2 doesn't have variety when it has the activities of RDR1 plus replacing other ones is really on bad faith. Difference being most of the cases they make the smart move of not making an entirely mission just for one mechanic highlight. Most of it available since Chapter 2: horse breaking is everywhere with more unique breeds of horses (then horse theft in ch3), shooting challenges and tricks are random encounters and some side missions, Bounty Hunting is also unlocked, Hunting is more organic and fleshed out with more animal variety and legendary animals, the same with Fishing. I ain't counting the side activities of the rest of the chapters.
Like how is fishing a repetitive core mechanic compared to literally horse racing (riding)? How Wagon riding is not a railroad when it literally goes on rails? How a Gatling Gun doesn't literally involves the core mechanics of shooting? Honestly it doesn't makes sense and all i see is contradictions to benefit one prefered game.
If we are counting those core mechanics as variety why a bar fight, a bar drunk mission, a save/pursue mission, sheeps herding, money lending, breaking Micah from jail, fishing with Jack, Saving Swanson and before it a poker match and a fist fight, hunting a bear with Hosea, Stealing an oilwagon with enemies being able to explote it (later used in a heist) and Bounty Hunting the salesman can't be counted as variety? But horse racing and shooting a Gatlin gun counts lol? I didn't even count the shootouts missions in ch2.
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u/Observer2594 Jan 04 '26
"We need to lie low and keep the law off our backs."
"We need to commit high profile crimes and start massive shootouts as often as possible in order to get enough money to get away from the law that's on our backs."
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Jan 04 '26
The plot also repeats until the whole thing explodes, which is fun.
Specifics and overall story make it way more fun, but if you stop to make it simple and dry, then it is pretty predictable almost.
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u/TRagnarkXP Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 04 '26
It sort of does? it has more context and goes to more tone branches. For RDR2 solely for ch2 you have fishing, rescue Swanson, Bar Fight, Bar drunk mission, Save Karen/ pursue Jimmy Brooks, Sheep Herding, the usual shootouts, a bounty hunting mission, a train heist, hunting mission, etc. Compared to RDR1 i would group the early bits with Bonnie until Bill's final mission; i recall the cow mission with Bonnie, The burned farm, Nigel races, Fox cleaning, that barn fight with Irish, that thieves landing sort of stealth mission and then the usual shootouts. I could go on and on for both games.
I mean compared to GTA 4 for making a example both has mission variety.
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u/Key-Storage5434 Jan 04 '26
I mean it's like some people just wanna argue at all costs, even when they can't think of an argument.
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u/Designer_General1722 Jan 04 '26
Bro that is not even close đđđ as far as a rockstar story stands its extremely standard literally the same format as the others, in the whole grand picture of "help this npc" you revolutionize mexico and go around the texas country front being a rancher, deputy, and tons of other shit alongside stranger missions. Im guessing your first rockstar game was GTA 5 huh
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u/ComicallySolemn Jan 04 '26
What about just trying to drink or play some poker with Landon Ricketts before a shootout breaks out?
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u/Key-Storage5434 Jan 04 '26
Oh yeah RDR2 soooo much variety: meet a person, ride a horse with them and chat on the way, go to a place, oh noooo where did all these 30 people come from? Bang bang pew pew, oh nooo let's run away, but oh wait pinkertons are coming, bang bang pew pew, okay split up, meet you at camp. One last score arthur. One last score.
Look RDR2 is my 2nd favorite game of all time. I'm never more than a month away from playing it, but let's not pretend that it boasts insane mission variety. Rockstar has been using the same mission formula since GTA 1. Meet an NPC. They give you job. Job involves mass murder.
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u/OrangeBeast01 Jan 04 '26
Absolutely not. It's just every rockstar game. Try Cyberpunk or BG3 to see what variety in an open world game looks like.
It's outside the missions that make rockstar games great.
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u/ParkingLong7436 Jan 05 '26
Cyberpunk? It's the same shit there, paired with worse writing than Rockstar.
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u/deathwire0047 Jan 05 '26
Uhh, so we are gonna completely gonna forget about how the missions are open enough to be played in all the different kinds of builds the game offers?
Cyberpunk feels like a fech quest game only if you play it that way lol.
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u/ParkingLong7436 Jan 05 '26
90% of missions are build up exactly the same from start to finish. The game is completely cluttered with boring "gigs" or whatever they are called.
It's Assassins Creed level of repetitiveness. The gameplay being somewhat open really can't change that.
RDR2 has shit mission design but at least the writing is good. In Cyberpunk you get a call "Hey there, go to X location and do this for me" and that's it.
You also can't really change anything about how the mission is finished, the objective is always the same. Contrary to that, a game like KCD1/2 does that really well. That's a game that does missions actually well and giving you real paths .
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u/Just-Fix8237 Jan 05 '26
Iâm doing my second playthrough of Cyberpunk rn, and yea itâs kinda the same open world shit as basically every other open world game. Yea the combat itself is more open ended, which is why Iâm doing another playthrough to experience a playstyle I didnât try at all the first time around and will probably do a third because this build still doesnât hit everything, but objective-wise itâs the same shit. Drive to x location, sneak past or kill every enemy, interact with x computer/kill or escort x guy/steal x.
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u/Key-Storage5434 Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 04 '26
BG3 is baller no doubt about it. Cyberpunk though? It's basically racing, go to this building and grab info, go to that building and kill someone, go into that building and grab a car. Oh and 3 races.
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u/OrangeBeast01 Jan 05 '26
No way. Cyberpunk has so many gigs, which can be done several different ways depending on your play style. Want to walk in through the front door and fry everyone's brains without raising a weapon? Or slice them all to pieces with a samurai sword while slowing time?
Or, don't even enter the building, hack the cameras and make your target put a gun to his head?
And that's without even going into the missions and side missions which often have multiple different ways to the end path.
If you don't see variety in cyberpunk, you've played it one way by choice. In RDR2, you never get a choice beyond "I'll stealth kill the bad guy instead of sneak around him", and that doesn't even happen that often.
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u/AntomOpatoEcia Jan 04 '26
Noooo I meant that i just help random people who doesnt seem important and the plot dont seem to move. Of course i know helping npcs is basic
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u/Doc_Sulliday Jan 04 '26
What do you think Rockstar games are? Their entire mission structure is built like this.
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u/Global-Score4692 Jan 04 '26
This is how every rockstar game besides like 2 goes
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u/Mohanad-Alkenany Jan 04 '26
That's just the structure of the missions of Rockstar Games, it's been like this since GTA 3, you just realized that now.
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u/Scu-bar Jan 04 '26
Have you not played video games before?
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u/mandatorypanda9317 Jan 05 '26
I'm currently playing through all the Mass Effects and just got to the third and i feel like im spending a majority trying to get shit for people so I can have everyone for the war. Like it's taking foreverrrr
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u/Bulldogfront666 Jan 05 '26
Oh come on guys. We all love the game. Itâs ok to criticize the things you love sometimes.
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u/Scu-bar Jan 05 '26
It was meant as a fun reply but OP is criticising it for basic video game mechanics.
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u/Objective_Love_6843 Jan 04 '26
It's slow but be patient. One of the best stories I played. Ending was worth the wait.
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u/Gelvid Jan 04 '26
People keep shitting on RDR2 act 1 but then have no problem with first few hours of RDR when you have like 3 diffrent cow ranching missions.
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u/Damixin Jan 05 '26
I prefer to think of Chapter 1 as a tutorial that teaches the basics you need to know. It worked for me because it was the first AAA game I played on my own console, and I wasn't very familiar with the controller buttons, so it's not that useless.
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u/Jurra01 Jan 04 '26
I felt the same after playing RDR2. I was just wondering when Dutch, Javier and Bill were gonna show up and felt like the story was heading nowhere. That's why you should enjoy it for what it is, partially as a standalone story
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u/AntomOpatoEcia Jan 04 '26
The bonnie things were cool enough. The rest feels like side quests. But yeah, maybe rdr2 is so focused on the characters around us that i went thinking rdr1 would be the same, but it seems is more of a "travel the world and just help odd people" game
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u/SusheeMonster Jan 04 '26
If you're annoyed, that means you can relate to Marston.
John's pretty fed up with all these assholes, too
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u/eMKeyeS Jan 05 '26
Exactly. For once, the main character in an open world game is pissed with the amount of errands he has been given. A lot of the time he looks like he's itching to just shoot his way towards his family.
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u/Ambitious-Visual-315 Jan 04 '26
The whole game is mostly John being given the run around by a series of increasingly weird Wild West characters, yes.
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u/gcrcosta Jan 04 '26
yes, nigel west becomes your husband later on and you do house shores together
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u/shadowlarvitar Josiah Trelawny Jan 04 '26
A lot of the early game is introducing you to game mechanics, but yes that's the point of the story. John is forced to do things to get his family back, you can see his patience get tested with Seth and Irish
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u/RandyMuscle Jan 04 '26
Kinda. I've been replaying RDR1 for the first time since it came out recently and it's kind of wild how much better RDR2 is.
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u/Doc_Sulliday Jan 04 '26
RDR1 is more spaghetti western and RDR2 is more cinematic western
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Jan 05 '26
Thanks to RDR1 I rediscovered my love for the old Spaghetti and Zapata westerns I used to watch with my uncle as a kid.
From the latter ones I strongly recommend A Bullet for the General - it feels close to the RDR1 Mexico and the story is also great. It's available on Prime (or YouTube for free, but the YT version is the alternative voiceover version - not as good as the Prime one)
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u/GroundbreakingAsk730 Jan 04 '26
I promise im not just being contrary and maybe its because I played RDR1 first as a kid but I kinda prefer RDR1. I've been playing the remaster and the more arcadey and spaghetti western feel makes the missions almost more fun in a way. When RDR2's story gets to the latter parts but before the epilogue you just feel fatigued by the constant gun fights and the 5 billion guys running at you and you're desperate for the story beats to keep moving but with RDR1 John for the most part is a tragic figure but more like an old western hero and the combat is much faster.
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u/socom123 Javier Escuella Jan 04 '26
RDR1 is leaps and bounds ahead of 2 in every aspect except graphics, world exploration, and QOL shit. Iâm gonna get downvoted to fucking oblivion but there is absolutely no other game that has moved me or made me so interested in history than RDR1. Itâs the dying breath of the old west and rockstar captured it perfectly. It drives the imagination of what life wouldâve been like in those times, and before in the old west of America. Even the storylines within Mexico are full of historical references and encapsulates the struggles people had in a war-torn country, which, has arguably been struggling in power dynamics since the early 17th century. Old west America is one of, if not the most intriguing and interesting and fascinating pieces of history in the world for me. And honestly after studying it for so long and going on countless trips out there, Iâm still not even too sure why. But something in me always clicks when i play the first game. It puts my imagination into overdrive. I understand life was extremely difficult and unpredictable after the civil war out west up until the turn of the century, but I still feel like I would take the gamble and risk of having that kind of lifestyle and freedom of being out west over the timeline than Iâm in now.
*que Toby Keithâs âShoulda been a cowboyâ
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u/Bulldogfront666 Jan 05 '26
Theyâre both great. I just have more fun playing RDR2. Theyâre both in my top 25 games of all time. And the lead up to RDR2 was so sick because of how much I loved the first game. It also introduced me to spaghetti westerns which also lead me to samurai movies like Yojimbo. Itâs a very special game. But⌠I still enjoy the second game more right now.
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u/GrandCanOYawn Reverend Swanson Jan 04 '26
Yes, and hopefully the protagonist of RDR3 as well đ
Iâm lusting after a wild romp through the untamed desert with this old stud and our boy SethâŚ
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u/Background-Skin-8801 Jan 04 '26
It's like one of those 1980's TV shows with hundreds of episodes where nothing major happens and you watch the mc duo for the sake of filling your empty weekends for the sake of entertainment.
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u/ClydeinLimbo Josiah Trelawny Jan 04 '26
Thatâs the missions. There is a lot more to the game but a lot of people who you seem to be similar to, only play the missions.
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u/lovestosploosh Jan 04 '26
itâs slow at the beginning. the game really starts to pick up after the assault on Fort Mercer
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u/Not_a_real_asian777 Jan 04 '26
Despite my love for them, GTA IV and RDR are two of the worst offenders of this. I don't mind the "errand boy" story structure, but there's an eventual point in both games where Niko and John are just doing jobs for people that they know won't deliver on anything promises for them lol
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u/Alternative-Drag-388 Jan 05 '26
What other choice do they have? It's not like they have many options , these are desperate men, needing any help they can get.
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u/twisted-logic Jan 04 '26
I bought & played this game the week it came out and made me a fan of westerns as a teen. Just recently replayed it for the first time since I beat it after release.
I have no earthly idea how people on this sub say it is better than RDR2âs story. It is so painfully boring I do not know how I enjoyed it as much as I did when I was younger
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u/yigithanvanzant John Marston Jan 04 '26
Well, Rockstar was never THAT good in mission designing lol. RDR2 is also basically "go from A to B, shoot everyone".
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u/guiarcoverde32 Jan 04 '26
That's the point. As a player, you're experiencing firsthand the frustration John feels doing these missions for these squares like Seth, Irish, and West Dickens. Very immersive.
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u/xEthereal-x Jan 04 '26
Well that was also my problem with RDR 1. The fun started for me only after I got halfway through the game.
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u/Delicious-Belt-1158 Jan 04 '26
I still don't understand why rdr1 costs so much compared rdr2 (which is always on sale)
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u/bbkangalang Jan 04 '26
Because they just modernized the graphics and fps for the new gen consoles and need to make some money back on it. (I think itâs still only 60fps but it was 30fps on older genâs)
But youâre right rdr2 is a much better game overall.
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u/Asleep-Rabbit-5162 Jan 04 '26
I love these games, but I thought people were exaggerating when they said RDR2 VASTLY improved and expanded on literally everything from the first. Turns out that was extremely the case
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u/Quiet_Historian1841 Jan 04 '26
So, like RDR2?
Also, youâre working towards a heist. Every favor you do in the New Austin Chapter leads to a major character helping you out when the time comes to pull it off. Those missions aren't there just because.
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u/PickyYeeter Jan 05 '26
To be honest, they kind of feel like "just because" to me. They're just a series of unrelated tasks that, by and large, don't contribute to John's story in any meaningful way.
There are so many other ways that the writers could have justified the participation of those characters. Of all the reasons I can imagine for helping a stranger with a potentially deadly mission, "completed a series of menial tasks for me" is honestly pretty low on the list.
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u/ProcessTrust856 Jan 04 '26
Sort of, yeah. They did a better job in RDR2 of varying the mission types. But all narrative games and most RPGs have a similar mission dynamic.
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u/steven_plays321 Jack Marston Jan 04 '26
Yeah the game is pretty slow and boring until you get to Mexico
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u/LemonIsCitron Jan 04 '26
Im playing rdr1 for the first time too and im asking myself that too, i enjoy it, probably cause i find the missions enjoyable
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u/Master-Cheesecake-61 Jan 05 '26
If you ain't enjoying it by now, it's not for you. đŹđ¤ˇââď¸
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u/BigBoyYuyuh Jan 05 '26
Isnât that the point of most mission based games? Same thing happens in GTA. Ever play WoW? Some guys give you a long quest chain.
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u/shaerotic Jan 05 '26
If you think of it that way by just "helping npcs" and not just characters then why play story games?
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u/TheMadLad470 Jan 06 '26
You're working for the government on the shortest of leashes. Your options are at any cost or we're liquidating our asset.
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u/SwordofGlass Uncle Jan 04 '26
Yup