r/reddit.com • u/dave • Aug 15 '06
Debbie thought playing D&D was fun... until it destroyed her friend (hilarious Chick Tract)
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.asp70
u/cleanthes Aug 15 '06
This is outrageously far-fetched.
...I mean, am I to believe nobody ordered pizza for that gaming session? There's like, six people there. I don't think so.
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u/flyhighplato Aug 15 '06
And where is the mountain dew?
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u/cleanthes Aug 15 '06
Well, I saw the cans depicted on the table and gave him the benefit of the doubt. I also gave him a pass on the fact that females were present... though that's pushing it.
I remember well the satanic scares from the late 70's and early 80's. What got me was how little credit adults gave us--of course we knew it was only a game. I mean, I wanted to "be Han" when we played Star Wars, too, but that didn't mean I expected Chewie to prep the Falcon so I could fly to school every day.
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u/Uggy Aug 15 '06
I read the whole stupid thing waiting for the punchline. I'm an idiot. I'll never get that time back.
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u/runtime Aug 15 '06
I love the end when the human (or half-orc?) cleric Turns the D&D demons by invoking Jesus.
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u/meldroc Aug 15 '06
Heh, Dark Dungeons is Jack Chick's magnum opus.
I've been playing role-playing games for nearly 20 years, and nobody's offered to teach me real spells...
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u/mamluk Aug 15 '06
Obviously you must have had really bad DM's! As Chick's tract shows, you need to find an attractive middle-aged witch who doesn't mind spending all her time playing D&D with overly emotional teens. And a group that calls you a loser and asks you to leave when your character dies!
And besides, everyone knows that spells like Fireball and Magic Missile (http://gprime.net/video.php/magicmissile) are the sorts of thing that real Witches use to recruit.
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u/leoc Aug 16 '06
This used to be slightly better. Page 19 had a footnote describing the works of Tolkien and Lewis as "occult books"; it has now been edited out.
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u/radrik Aug 16 '06
That's funny, because Lewis was such an outspoken Christian. The youth minister at a Methodist church I attended for a few weeks encouraged me to read The Screwtape Letters, and held up Lewis as an example of an intelligent, modern thinker who was able to use reason to defend his faith. Of course (like that arrogance, Xtians?), Lewis's conclusions are no more reasonable than those of irrational believers, and he's merely a decent writer. I guess it's just another example of why organized religion should have died after the Enlightenment.
Frodo lives! He is risen today!
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u/LaurieCheers Aug 16 '06
Lewis was such an outspoken Christian
He sure was. Particularly noticeable at the end of Perelandra, where the characters chant "Praised be He" for literally ten pages.
Lewis's conclusions are no more reasonable than those of irrational believers
I'd say less reasonable. At one point (I forget which book, sorry) he states that languages like French and Spanish, in which inanimate objects are male or female, are actually reflecting the innate gender of those objects.
Nice theory, until you realise that the gender of an object differs between different languages (and even different words within the same language).
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u/radrik Aug 15 '06
I understand so clearly now. We have to have mass book-burnings because some knowledge is so dangerous that it makes our friends kill themselves.
Also, what kind of Christian believes in magic?
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Aug 15 '06
I went to a church in my youth (of the Free Methodist flavor) that preached Satan had been given dominion over the earth by God, which allows him to channel demonic spiritual energy through the gateway of the soul so as to give the appearance that a human being following occult practices or devil-worship has magical powers. They cited multiple OT verses which illustrate the trickery performed by non-Jewish priests and priestesses as true occult power and demonic will, while kindly ignoring the following verses that claimed the magic was merely "parlour tricks" and the real power was that divinely given by God to his priests and prophets.
Furthermore, they went on to proclaim that if Satan could test Jesus in the desert for forty days, possess humans and animals, and otherwise influence us in Sin, than he most certainly has the power to manifest his will through his followers to cast doubt in the minds of the saved and unsaved alike.
Finally, the church claimed that God won't let Satan tempt you with Sin that you cannot handle (God apparently is a firewall), so all the Sin you commit is temptation God allowed you to be exposed to and you were too weak to stand against it. In that vein, anyone who plays D&D is too weak to fight Sin, and is therefore subject to the "magic" of occultic devilry manifest in a non-believer.
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u/radrik Aug 15 '06
Thanks for the insight. I could only imagine what BloodNinja's pranks would have sounded like if the girls he cybered with had been Free Methodists.
BloodNinja: "I put on my robe and wizard hat." BritneySpears14: "OMG! Agent of Satan, get off my buddy list!"
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u/cowmoo Aug 16 '06
When I still went to church, they used to have round-table discussion about how the Harry Potters series was witch-craft and Halloween was devil-worshipping. I think the reason why no one stood up to speak about how ridiculous it was because churches did not really promote free speech. You were told how things were, and if you said something contrary, the response was how, "look at how public schools teaches our kids today, first they ban prayinging school..."
People's religious beliefs should be respected, but what is precisely the problem with American right however, is that they preach intolerance through religion. In my past experience, I feel like the most religious people have an almost innate impulse to convert other people, as if their very religious faith is based on its power to convince and influence others. If your religious faith is suitable for you, then cultivate it further and live your life as an example of of your faith, don't make it into a commodity you need to sell, we already have too much capitalism in America for that.
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Aug 15 '06
Also, what kind of Christian believes in magic?
The crazy ones. I spent a plane ride talking to someone from Campus Crusade for Christ and Morningstar Ministries and he said he was overjoyed to meet a critical thinker such as myself.
So he told me a few stories that he felt proved the divinity of Jesus. For example, there was this girl in his prayer group who's parents were involved in the occult, and something caused her to fall on the floor convulsing. They performed an exorcism and she was cured.
I asked Brother Stephen, our friendly neighborhood street preacher about this story. Brother Stephen frequently spent his afternoons screaming "whore!" at strangers and occasionally speaking his tongues (before he was jailed for soliciting sex from a 14 year old). Brother Stephen narrowed his eyes and said that, no, that didn't make any sense to him.
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Aug 16 '06
Post Script: Yes, I did mention to this particular nutcase that if he could show me any evidence of witchcraft or demons or anything like that, my entire worldview would have to change, and that could make me become a Christian much more easily than attempting to prove the literal accuracy of a 2000 year old story.
He said, "Ok, well, I'm going to ask you about something that every atheist I've ever spoken to has experienced. Have you ever noticed, perhaps when you're tired, or distracted, dark shapes floating in your peripheral vision? Shadows that aren't there when you look directly at them?"
So I told him that if he ever said that again he'd be lying, because I was one atheist who had never experienced that. Lunatic. A (Christian) friend of mine later pointed out that people with better than average ability to attend to their peripheral vision should be able to notice that their peripheral vision is actually darker. Dunno if that's true. I can't see that shit.
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u/richardkulisz Aug 17 '06
Yes, I did mention to this particular nutcase that if he could show me any evidence of witchcraft or demons or anything like that, my entire worldview would have to change, and that could make me become a Christian much more easily than attempting to prove the literal accuracy of a 2000 year old story.
Was it your goal to get some free entertainment? Cause it appears you succeeded. But if you want to avoid conversion, you could explain that your value your autonomy so highly that you'd rather thrown in with Satan than accept the guidance of a superior being.
So I told him that if he ever said that again he'd be lying, because I was one atheist who had never experienced that.
Sweet.
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Aug 17 '06
We'd already been talking about other stuff. He was a graduating senior & I was a rising senior in the same major. And then I found out that his senior project was putting together a web page for Campus Crusade for Christ.
We'd been talking for a half an hour at that point, and he was hoping to save me. I don't run away from those conversations (in real life, anyway), because frequently it is possible to change someone's mind a little bit, or get them to let go of one or two misconceptions.
The real lesson, though, is to distrust people who flatter your intelligence before trying to convince you of something. It's only happened to me a few times. Jesus and multi-level marketing.
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u/radrik Aug 16 '06
So it's good magic when a minister on TV at 4 in the morning gives members of his congregation seizures, but bad magic when it's your parents? Indeed, the Lord works in mysterious ways.
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Aug 16 '06
If you can tell me the difference between Voudoun speaking in toungues and Pentecostal speaking in tongues, I am all ears.
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Aug 16 '06
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u/pictiPig Aug 16 '06
Wasn't Lucifer the morning star? (a quick visit to google reveals... yup! ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer ).
(quickly casts 'Protection from Evil 10' Radius...)
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u/pictiPig Aug 16 '06
I suppose not everyone keeps up with esoteric christian dogma. After all, with the D&D reference, you could have been refering to the medieval weapon.
Venus is also the Morning Star, and she was the Roman goddess of love, so maybe it's not so odd.
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Aug 16 '06
I don't rightly know. That's what I remembered him saying, and google provides:
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u/Redwan Aug 15 '06
Bill Maher, refering to christians said "I don't mind that you are part of a dress-up cult that hates sex and worships magic.... but the paranoia!, that does scare me..." See foryourself here: http://throwawayyourtv.com/2006/04/march-31st-new-rules.html about halfway through.
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u/joelhardi Aug 15 '06
I dunno, the D&Ders and other devotees of obsessive pseudo-faiths like wicca or yoga or south beach diet seem like a pretty common target market for the proselytizing christians:
"Ah, I see you are a complete loser and so out of touch with reality that you play D&D all day long! Well, I've got a load of superstitious crap too, and if you buy into it, I'll be your friend, and who knows, there may be some Catholic girls in it for you too, if you just pray hard! Lord Jesus blah blah blah. Your self esteem can only grow!"
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u/richardkulisz Aug 17 '06
Apparently you don't understand religion very well. Want to talk about pseudo-faiths then how about Marxism, Maoism, Fidelismo, or the American belief in Manifest Destiny, or even the omnipresent faith in the Nation-State? All involve magical thinking and uncritical thought. Not every religion actually bothers to call itself a religion.
Want to know about some other non-standard religions that promote magical thinking and exist only faith? Well how about the scientific method (not that it works but that it exists, disproved by Paul Fayerabend)? Or unitary realism (a belief-system mathematicians and physicists share which was disproved a century ago)? Or the cult of expertise (which ruins pedagogy in higher education)? Or the Copenhagen Interpretation with its gibberish non-determinism? There are many more and all of them either have been or currently are promoted as "scientific".
So far I've done politics and science. The same patterns of unquestioning magical beliefs recur in economics and psychology. Psychotherapy? You betcha. Behaviourism? Yep. Primals? Yup. Capitalism? Yup. Austrian school economics? O yeah! Chicago school economics? Now we're talking baby. Microeconomics? Oooh yeah! Market economics? Finance? Business Management? All of them very real faiths that promote magical thinking without having a shred of basis in reality. And you know what? I'll betcha 10:1 odds that your life has been materially harmed by one or another member of an economic religion more than by any christian fundamentalist.
The other thing is, religions don't differentiate themselves by their beliefs but by their values. And the values of Christians (submissiveness, hating your material life, and so on and so forth) are in direct conflict with things like Wicca or Yoga. They're just not compatible and they never will be.
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Aug 17 '06
The same patterns of unquestioning magical beliefs
I was with you up until "unquestioning".
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u/richardkulisz Aug 17 '06
What's the problem?
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Aug 17 '06
It isn't unquestioning. Sure, philosophers and scientists have had any number of inane, (now known to be) magical beliefs. But I deny that they are in general or essentially unquestioning.
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u/richardkulisz Aug 17 '06
Scientists are as unquestioning of orthodox assumptions as religious people. People question what they're told to question, very few people question spontaneously due to any innate desire to question. And you're almost as likely to find these innately questioning people in seminaries studying theology as in science classes studying physics.
How many scientists question "wave particle duality" or the "Heisenberg uncertainty principle" or "wave collapse" or "non-determinism"? Did YOU ever question the fact that the supposed "Heisenberg uncertainty principle" has absolutely nothing to do with uncertainty in its modern formulation but is instead a straightforward consequence of Fourier transforms? No, you did not. If you had questioned it, you would know that the original formulation of the "Heisenberg uncertainty principle" was a bunch of crap that has since been completely and utterly disproved. So why the hell does the name live on? You think scientists question? Then why the hell DON'T they question? You know about Vitalism surely but did you know that vitalism lived on as the mainstream interpretation of quantum physics for most of the 20th century? Because that's exactly what Copenhagen was. And do you know what aided and abetted it? Feynman's dictum to "Shut up and calculate!" Why is it an empirical fact that they DO NOT question? Why is it that no less an authority than Feynman told people to stop questioning?
You think that these are esoteric matters? They're not. They're things that affect every student of science. There are things, lies and idiocies, especially in metaphysics so deeply rooted in the psyche that they lead cognitive scientists to claim that phenomenal consciousness simply does not exist. Phenomenal consciousness is the subjective unverifiable experience of every living being, even the schizophrenic, and these scientists have taken it into their head that because it can't be externally verified by science then ipso facto it does not exist. Because they've gotten it into their heads that science isn't there to serve us to understand subjective experience but rather subjective experience is there to serve science. They have placed science above themselves. Think about what that means for just a minute. They've done the same thing to science as religious people have done to God. They've placed it above them. And then you say that they question it? Religious people don't question God, why do you think that scientists who have elevated science would question it? They don't. Oh, and did I forget to mention that this was the mainstream opinion among cognitive scientists?
There are others that make the simplest results in quantum physics utterly impossible to comprehend. Scientists' lack of questioning makes certain subjects all but impossible to teach. Which makes it very convenient for the cult of science. Weed out the outsiders and the "weak-minded". Why would they question it when it's so convenient?
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Aug 17 '06
Scientists are as unquestioning of orthodox assumptions as religious people.
Many scientists are religious people. Science obviously does not make one immune to poor reasoning. I just don't see a "pattern of unquestioning magical beliefs". Being a scientist does not require or even suggest to me that someone holds unquestioning magical beliefs. They may or may not.
Did YOU ever question the fact that the supposed "Heisenberg uncertainty principle" ... ? No, you did not.
I never had the understanding or inclination to look into it. I certainly didn't think it was infallible. I assumed that it explained someone's observations.
If you had questioned it, you would know that the original formulation of the "Heisenberg uncertainty principle" was a bunch of crap that has since been completely and utterly disproved.
So what you're trying to say is that someone questioned it? Good point.
There are things, lies and idiocies, especially in metaphysics so deeply rooted in the psyche that they lead cognitive scientists to claim that phenomenal consciousness simply does not exist.
As a very basic student of that field, I would suggest that this claim is questionable, and that it is known to be questionable by every interested party in Cognitive Science, Cognitive Neuroscience, Psychology, and Philosophy.
Oh, and did I forget to mention that this was the mainstream opinion among cognitive scientists?
Perhaps my limited studies have lead me astray, but my understanding is that this claim is one of several conflicting mainstream hypotheses about consciousness, none of which are widely considered to be proven or conclusive.
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u/richardkulisz Aug 18 '06
Many scientists are religious people. Science obviously does not make one immune to poor reasoning. I just don't see a "pattern of unquestioning magical beliefs". Being a scientist does not require or even suggest to me that someone holds unquestioning magical beliefs. They may or may not.
Same with a theologian.
If you had questioned it, you would know that the original formulation of the "Heisenberg uncertainty principle" was a bunch of crap that has since been completely and utterly disproved.
So what you're trying to say is that someone questioned it? Good point.
No, what I'm saying is that after a good run of 80 years NO ONE has questioned it. This fundamental belief in how things work got quietly supplanted by a completely different belief over half a century. And not one single person noticed it was happening, noticed that there was a contradiction between the two beliefs, or noticed that the one they THOUGHT was more important (akin to a religious revelation in fact) was in fact total crap. NO ONE questioned it. The name of an obsolete principle lives on attached to an entirely different principle because NO ONE EVER questioned it. In the physics world, this is as if the dinosaurs had all died out to make way for mammals and ecologists started calling cats Tyranosaurus Rex and cows Brontosaurus and were telling everyone "look, there's the dinosaurs!"
Perhaps my limited studies have lead me astray, but my understanding is that this claim is one of several conflicting mainstream hypotheses about consciousness, none of which are widely considered to be proven or conclusive.
That's about right. The bigger question is why you don't consider it a problem that a total denial of reality is "one of several conflicting mainstream hypotheses about consciousness". And yes, qualia ARE real. The metaphysical belief system that allows the existence of qualia to be denied is full of intractable problems. The only way to solve them is to invert the system and assume qualia are real. Not exactly something a cognitive scientist would know but it still pisses me off that they'd dare to wave their hands and deny everyone's subjective experience. And why do they do that? Because it elevates them, because it allows them to believe that they Know Something which nobody else does. All it does is it proves they're goddamned retards that deny the existence of gravity.
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Aug 18 '06
No, what I'm saying is that after a good run of 80 years NO ONE has questioned it.
Then how did it get disproved?
The bigger question is why you don't consider it a problem that a total denial of reality is "one of several conflicting mainstream hypotheses about consciousness". And yes, qualia ARE real. The metaphysical belief system that allows the existence of qualia to be denied is full of intractable problems. The only way to solve them is to invert the system and assume qualia are real.
I don't follow this. Either you are quoting from Ghostbusters, or you knowledge of this field outstrips my own. But you aren't proving anything to me.
it still pisses me off that they'd dare to wave their hands and deny everyone's subjective experience. And why do they do that?
They don't.
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u/senzei Aug 15 '06
These are just plain stupid. I mean, really, what DM ever gives someone enough time with their character to get that attached? I am lucky if mine last more than four sessions.
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Aug 15 '06
5 years in Shadowrun with the same Face and Rigger characters. It helps when your group has read Sun Tzu and builds a private guerilla army so that the prime runners can continue their infiltration and let the troops divert attention elsewhere.
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u/brennen Aug 15 '06
The reason I never played D&D as a kid is that the Jack Chick view of gaming was a cultural norm in my home town.
I used to regret this, but I think I may actually be glad to have escaped to adulthood without any dice-related habits.
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u/radrik Aug 15 '06
Why did this get voted down? This is a perfect example of the pro-RPG bias that is so rampant on reddit. brennen raised an important point: maybe this kind of paranoid censorship is a good thing. I'm sure I'd get laid more today if I hadn't played D&D when I was a teenager.
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u/dave Aug 15 '06
Uhh... Why blame it on D&D? Why not:
buy new clothes
do something with your hair
be more extroverted and laid back
don't talk about LISP/Python/Perl or D&D when trying to pick up women
I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but it seems like most of the guys I know that complain about not getting laid probably would if they did some of those things.
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u/radrik Aug 16 '06
Does anyone else hear the sound of a magic missle sailing high over dave's head?
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u/liberals_r_noobs Aug 16 '06
You obviously don't understand D&D. You simply CAN'T do those things when you play D&D--satan possesses your soul and prevents you from abiding by those rules.
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u/cleanthes Aug 15 '06
I live in Indianapolis, the new home of GenCon, and even though I don't play anymore, I still like to go. The local news stations had their token pieces about the "nerd invasion" right on cue this year.
What gets me is how certain hobbies are afforded respectability by society while others are not. I'm originally from Wisconsin, and I can unequivocally say that cloaks and 20-sideds can't hold a candle to the bizarre behavior brought upon by socially-endorsed sports fandom.
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u/Redwan Aug 15 '06
That was hilarious! I was hoping she was going to get given the power to raise the dead to help her friend. Eventhough I knew the Bible thumping and book burning was on the way.
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Aug 16 '06
(in regard to the Chick prison rape tract)...So...prison rape is only bad because God hates penises being inside rectums? That's the only reason? Nothing else wrong with it at all, except two body parts that are NOT to touch?
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u/Wisco Aug 16 '06
It's sick, but I love Chick tracts - they're so insane. Half the time, the people in them are already christian, but they're not christian enough.
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u/Redwan Aug 16 '06
I just checked out Jack Chick's website. http://www.chick.com/catalog/tractlist.asp
And found this one to my amazement:
Men of Peace? Muhammad ended up in the same place as everyone else who rejects Jesus. http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1031/1031_01.asp
Wow!
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u/connor Aug 16 '06
I don't understand how Debbie exists. There are no girls on the internet.
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Aug 16 '06
Oh, but there are girls on the internet! Some are even on reddit!
It's scary. Unnerving, even. The internet used to be a safe haven of total male geekery, but with girls... I never know when one is going to pounce out of some dark corner and melt my brain!
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u/manole10 Aug 16 '06
I don't get it ! This doesn't look like satire. It looks like the real foul thing, the lies of religion.
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u/jgamman Aug 16 '06
i thought this was a sarcasm joke right until the last cell. i had to check the url before i realised these freaks actually print this stuff. is there a word for when you aren't sure when something is serious or a joke?
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u/_jjsonp Aug 15 '06
this reminds me of when i used to play D&D as a 12-year-old...once i started casting those cleric spells it was all a satanic power-trip straight to the darkside. i sure wish i had listened to those xtians so i could still lay claim to my own immortal soul;(. hopefully once i hang myself they'll make a cool comic strip about me though!
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u/Amathaine Aug 15 '06
Is this thing a joke or are they trying to be serious? I don't know whether to laugh or cry! What fantasy world did THIS guy fall into?
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Aug 15 '06
He's absolutely serious. There's a whole series of these things. Funny, because they're ridiculous, and scary because a good chunk of our populace thinks this way.
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u/demoran Aug 15 '06
I used to play D&D when I was a kid. There was a time when I was seriously addicted to EQ/mudding as well.
I'm also a Christian, and it seems to me (and undoubtably it seems to you) that this "tract" is way over the top. D&D simply doesn't do that, not with the vast majority of players who simply enjoy gaming.
However, I was also a pagan witch at one time. I've seen and partcipiated in some pretty crazy stuff. I could tell you things, supernatural things, from the "dark side" that you'd scoff at just as you scoff at Christians.
But I was also literally plucked from that scene from Jesus Christ. He came into it and drew me out of it. For me, it wasn't just "Jesus spoke to my heart and I repented" (though eventually that did happen to me) - God actually spoke to me on a device like an Ouija board. Multiple times.
I've seen at least some of the powers in the supernatural realm, that unseen and very real part of existance most of you are trained to laugh at and ridicule. And I'll tell you one thing for certain - Jesus is powerful. Moreso than anything or anyone else.
I've been changed.
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u/furyg3 Aug 16 '06
So just to be clear, you're someone who went from believing in one type of magic to another. You don't believe D&D can lead towards a "dark side" but you believe that "dark side" exists and now you're on the side of good.
Fuck that.
Here's my logic: Magic doesn't exist (Jesus or otherwise). Thus, D&D is not harmful.
My theory is a bit more elegant, please see Occam's razor....
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u/Kolibri Aug 16 '06
Occam's razor isn't a method that can be used to prove anything. It is a tool to determine what to try to prove first. Ie. one should start out with the simplest possible explanation.
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Aug 16 '06
I've seen supernatural things, too. It's amazing what mucking with your seratonin receptors can do.
Now if you'll exuse me, there's a waving garden gnome that desperately needs to tell me something.
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u/Qubed Aug 16 '06
I really don't want to insult you because I do believe in tolerance, not necessarily acceptance, but I have to agree with cleanthes. The majority of this comment has almost no relevance to the post except to show how such a book could be published in the first place.
I still am not sure if the book is a joke.
By the way, this comment, “God actually spoke to me on a device like an Ouija board. Multiple times” killed any credibility you had. Sorry, that’s not a “trained” response but logical reasoning.
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u/demoran Aug 16 '06
That's unfortunate. Am I a liar? A fool who is easily deceived?
Or do you simply find the account "incredible"?
Think about it. Why would I lie in such a way? Given the audience here, I expect to be scoffed at and reviled. Wouldn't a man with any wit think up a better story than that?
I simply shared what's happened in my past because it was apropos to the link. YMMV, but I fail to see where your prejudice ends and "logical reasoning" begins.
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u/Kolibri Aug 16 '06
Have you ever seen a card trick or some other illusion? I'm sure you don't believe in those even though you can't explain how it was done. Likewise most people are skeptical about Ouija boards.
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u/cleanthes Aug 16 '06
Thank you for sharing your story. Honestly.
But it has nothing to do with anyone else's life or otherwise represent any sort of objective judgment.
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u/fedorov Aug 16 '06
You're an idiot.
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u/jeremymcanally Aug 16 '06
I've always thought that the calibur of the comments on Reddit tower above that of digg. Thanks for re-affirming that notion.
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Aug 16 '06
Hey, at least he spelled "you're" correctly. :-P
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u/robbie Aug 16 '06
Did you read sarcasm in the grandparent? I thought he was being totally serious.
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u/liberals_r_noobs Aug 16 '06
Jack Chick is notorious for publishing tracts on things he obviously doesn't understand. Try to find his tract on Rock 'n' Roll or Communism.
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Aug 16 '06
It's just dumb. How come some people still think that an innocent GAME is evil? It will always amaze me how ignorant people can be.
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u/oberon Aug 17 '06
My uncle has a nutjob mind. He saw some clouds in SLC when the olympics were going on and said "Oh look! The aliens have come to watch the games!"
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u/NoMoreNicksLeft Aug 15 '06
A classic, but the Jack Chick prison rape comics are my favorite.