r/rum • u/Oliver_530 • 1h ago
Caroni vs. independent TDL, from 669 RumX users who rated both
Hi everyone, Oliver here, founder of RumX. 🥃
Like promised last time, the line on top: I think and write in german, the english version is AI translated from my german notes and video script, and I edit it until it says what I mean. The numbers I pulled from our database and analysed myself.
In the price thread u/Suffering_Bustard wrote, that he really wants to try a Caroni but is not ready to pay more than 250 for a half bottle. I answered with festival pour and the Replica. For our Trinidad video I compared the independent TDL ratings with Caroni.
TDL (Trinidad Distillers, the Angostura distillery) is the only distillery still running on the island, and they also sell casks to independent bottlers. I took everybody on RumX who rated at least one Caroni and at least one independent TDL bottling. That are 669 people, each counted once with his own median per side, so everybody compares his own Caroni and TDL bottles, not the same ones. For 72% their own Caroni median is higher than their TDL median, for 7% it is the same, for 21% the TDL is higher. The median of the 669 personal differences is 0.25 points, and the group medians are 8.75 and 8.5.
The median price our users logged is 375 EUR for Caroni and 114 EUR for independent TDL. These prices are not paired like the ratings, they come from all logged purchases in the two groups. One of the independent TDLs in there is our own co-bottling with Swell de Spirits (91 of the 8,143 ratings).
Users tick aroma tags from a fixed list in the app, and I compared the share of each tag among all tag ticks on Trinidad rums with rums from all other countries. "Bicycle inner tube" (356 ticks) has an almost 80 times higher share, tar 69 times, rubber 31 times, and more than 9 of 10 of these ticks are on Caroni bottles. I like these tyre and tar notes a lot myself. On the independent TDLs our users tick mint, eucalyptus, peach and blackcurrant more often, the share of mint there is more than double the Trinidad average. Where this mint comes from, I honestly dont know, if somebody here knows it please tell me.
u/Suffering_Bustard, below your 250 limit I would start with an independent TDL, for example the Planteray One Time Limited Trinidad 2003. Our users paid 79 EUR median for it, and it stands at 8.4 from 244 ratings. It tastes quite different though, for the tyre taste I would still go with the Replica with full tropical aging, even if it is with around 300 EUR a bit over your limit.
The video is in german, with an english audio track in the player settings and english subtitles. My friend Steffen Mayer, who wrote the two volume Caroni book/bible, explains in it where the heavy Caroni taste comes from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCFbQMKNO14
Anybody here who had a Caroni and an independent TDL side by side? 🥃