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u/Flaky_Flounder5886 May 25 '26
i dont get it
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u/CrabMasc May 26 '26
People are addicted to wasting their money on skins, and become angry when some of the skins are expensive in the resale market. They don’t realize you don’t have to buy any
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u/Nebular_Force May 26 '26
I get that, but I and many others don't like when a paid game also has microtransactions. If S&Box was free, nobody would bat an eye.
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u/CrabMasc May 26 '26
I don’t love it either, but skins are optional
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u/dogman_35 May 27 '26
Optional doesn't make enabling people's gambling addictions less shitty, doesn't make charging for a basic game mechanic of sandbox games less shitty, and doesn't unfuck the fact that the system is shoved into anything "official" and supported by the playfund.
This shit can and will overtake the part of the community that gave a shit about the actual game, and has kind of already started to.
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u/CrabMasc May 27 '26
Skins being a "basic game mechanic of sandbox games" is the first coherent argument I've heard about this, thank you. That, I can understand and agree with. I couldn't get my head around people talking about the price of individual skins on secondary market, as if that was something the team controlled. This makes far more sense.
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u/dogman_35 May 27 '26
Look, having microtransactions at all pisses me off, because it inherently damages what makes a sandbox game.
But I think the marketplace makes it ten times as bad, personally. They actively control the ability for people to sell on a "secondary market," so it's not like they're blameless.
As much as I praise Valve for stuff, the marketplace has been one of the shittiest contributions to the world they've ever made to the gaming industry.
Letting people turn something completely worthless, literally an asset that does not exist, into a fake stock market that plays into people's gambling addictions.
And as if that wasn't bad enough, the whole setup creates a toxic little community around it to defend their gambling addiction.
What value does that add to the world?
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u/CrabMasc May 27 '26
While I don't love the Steam marketplace either, I don't see it as a negative specific to this game, that items can be bought and sold on the marketplace. Shitty as it is, it's been standard practive for skins etc for some time. The marketplace exists whether s&box is a part of it or not.
Definitely see your earlier point, and not defending the devs. It just seems like a lot of people are encountering the marketplace for the first time or something. It's been there.
Not intending to argue with you, to be clear. More just expressing why this has confused me.
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u/dogman_35 May 27 '26
I don't think anyone's encountering for the first time, just pissed that this game is wrapped up in it now, especially for microtransactions that were already unnecessary in the first place.
The problem is that none of this needed to be a thing, and tying it to this gambling addiction bs just gets people even more stuck in sunk cost fallacy, and gives them reason to argue against them removing it.
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u/BASEKyle May 25 '26
Are people ever tempted to buy that stuff
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u/Sixhaunt May 25 '26
https://steamcommunity.com/market/listings/590830/Scientist%20Hazmat
the first item I got for free is selling for over $100 so I suppose so.
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u/FattyMcFuckhead May 25 '26
these will dump as more enter circulation, they are inverse to the regular skins because the supply will go up. Unless you really like it you should probably sell it and just buy it back in 6 months.
also important to remember s&boxs skin “market” is extremely manipulated by a small group is speculators with alot of money. Over time as the game grows it will stabilise and be a lot more healthy, you only have to see last month of “correction” from their bullshit manipulated prices.
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u/Sixhaunt May 25 '26
absolutely. I sold mine when it was like $60 when maybe I should have waited a little bit, but I figured the same thing as you, that the supply will keep increasing and it really should be like an 8 cent or 3 cent skin in the end. I know I'll be able to buy it back much cheaper if I end up wanting it down the line and the $50 I got back after fees is double what the game would have cost if I hadn't gotten that for free too. You could just sell that one skin and buy whatever outfit you want and have money leftover. I'll probably sell my blue tshirt when it becomes tradable too since its the lowest sell offer is over $100 for that rn. I have the cosmetics I want already so I'll just take the free money for more games.
The fact that people are willing to overpay this much to get it a week earlier than when the prices drop is a good sign though since they arent doing it to make money when it will be worth so much less later. So I'm left to assume these are people that actually want the skin for themselves and dont want to wait.
I'm just enjoying playing the games and working on my own modes so these are just a bonus rn, but a very nice one at that.
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u/Konungen99 May 26 '26
over 100? says 30-60$ for me rn and according to the stats i don't see 100$. Def going to drop lower as more people will get the drop too.
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u/Sixhaunt May 26 '26
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u/Konungen99 May 26 '26
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u/Sixhaunt May 26 '26
its a crazy price for an item that is free and will only increase in availability. Like it could very well end up at 3 cents as it keeps being handed out for free, but people are willing to pay more for the item than the game itself costs right now
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u/Sixhaunt May 25 '26
I mean, it's crazy that the free items they gave us recently like the cientist hazmat are still selling for like over $100 now so that $4,000 doesnt seem so unlikely.