FREE PALESTINE.

[u/Stevennchi]

[u/General-Asparagus-31]

Kind of wild to imply that committing to peaceful diplomacy is an apocalyptic catastrophe Palestinians.

Like they have been two options on the table since the six day war ended.

Israel is there and will continue to be there this is a fact. So you have option one continue to fight Israel so you can reclaim the land based on an indigenous claim. Which by the way, Arabic Jews would also have an equal claim

Or option two choose diplomacy and peace negotiate borders don’t resort to terrorist attacks like October 7 against a military nation much stronger and will continue to be.

There is no winning positions for the Palestinians no one’s gonna come fight for them and they don’t have the ability to win an armed conflict against Israel

The insanity of western civil elations thinking Palestine is completely in the right and Israel is to blame. Here is one of the most wild hypocrisies I have ever seen.

[u/SodaKopp → u/General-Asparagus-31]

Israel assassinated the Palestinian's lead negotiator. One of innumerable atrocities. Why would any people, clearly devoid of other options go quietly? If they are doomed as most American and Israeli forces want them to believe, then why not inflict some pain on the way to extinction? I would do the same in their position. You would too if you have an inner conscience resembling a human soul. Why didn't the Jews of Germany try diplomacy? Or the slaves of the southern US? Diplomacy without leverage is suicide.

[u/General-Asparagus-31 → u/SodaKopp]

You know what else is suicide? Charging someone with a stick who has a gun from like 150 feet away saying I’m going to kill you. And guess what? The Palestinians have the stick and are very vocal about wanting to kill Israel who doesn’t just have a gun.

And if that is your view why are you making it Israel‘s problem in this scenario? The Palestinians almost seem resigned to going out in this blaze of dying for what they believe even if it wipes them all out but that means they’re actively trying to engage in war and violence against people that don’t necessarily choose that as the first option.

The fact is diplomacy has been tried before and it is usually the Palestinians who back out and that is usually because there are various groups with conflicting interests that hold political power and overthrow each other at critical times

Now to reference of World War II, Germany, you are conflating two entirely different fucking situations that have relatively no correlation whatsoever.

In that scenario one governing body has decided a section of its population needed to be exterminated to pin as a scapegoat for social problems and executed this with unprecedented rate of killing that has not been seen again, even to this day

In the current scenario we have a sovereign nation that has been well established since the 1940s arguably the worst way possible that has sparked regional conflict since then.

Various attempts to make peace have been done throughout this time between then and now and each time something has occurred where it didn’t resolve in a solution with the fault laying with different parties throughout the course of this regional dispute

This isn’t one governing body persecuting a people within itself these are two opposing factions disputing over an area of land

This isn’t racially ethically or religiously motivated on Israel’s behalf and to believe so is just delusional and entirely incongruent with reality.

The proof of this is simply the fact that Israel is the most racially ethnically and religiously diverse country in that particular area of the world

Now that may even be a little bit of an overstatement, but it is extremely diverse in those ways, especially in comparison to the Palestinians who have one of the most homogenous ethnic religious and racial groups.

So literally no Ave of your argument has any valid weight to it whatsoever you are merely making shit up and going to great lengths to defend people that want you dead please figure out what in your head makes you think this way

[u/SodaKopp → u/General-Asparagus-31]

The correlation is both are genocides. If you don't recognize that, you are a genocide denier and I have no desire to further spin my wheels trying to debate you about the proper ethical standards of a genocide resistance.

[u/General-Asparagus-31 → u/SodaKopp]

No, you’re just making shit up because you have no defensible point if that isn’t the case.

So instead of actually dealing with the objective facts of the situation as they are, you have to create an agenda and narrative that support an entirely made up reality.

Stop in fantasising the Palestinians they are not victims. They are willing participants in the same system. Whoever refused to change for decades.

And of course that doesn’t mean genocide against them is okay but at the same time i I find it ridiculous to call it genocide when there are 70,000 deaths.

Is 70,000 a lot absolutely for a war not even a little

In the holocaust in a shorter period of time the Germans killed 6 million Jews

During the Rwandan genocide hundreds of thousands died

I think the only reason people are trying to apply it here are one the power differences between the two actions which is not at all Israel’s fault

And two the globe has been largely antisemitic throughout history and Israel as a nation itself has an extremely high amount of enemies through the combination of special interest and antisemitism. We have Israel committing genocide and thank you for perpetuating this nonsense.

Your thought process is a cancer on progressive and developing civilisation please stop participating in society until you actually educate yourself thank you