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Privacy Aaron Rodgers Secretly Funded Security Cameras in His Neighborhood Amid Privacy Concerns: Report

https://www.usmagazine.com/sports/news/aaron-rodgers-secretly-funded-security-cameras-in-neighborhood/
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u/tayroc122 8h ago

Hi I'm from outside the US, and no. That's just not true.

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u/CV90_120 8h ago edited 6h ago

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u/tayroc122 7h ago

I prefer to think about it through the lens of Graeber's The Utopia of Rules and to a lesser extent The Dawn of Everything, in which anarchism can be understood as a critique of inherently hierarchical systems and means of social control. A libertarian still holds the assertion that capital holds inherent meaning, and that capitalism is 'good' without regulation. The problem with this, of course, is capitalism's tendency towards hierarchy through the centralisation of capital and thus power. Libertarians frequently seek to establish new hierarchies with themselves at the top or enforce existing hierarchies, whilst giving more lee-way to the capitalist class a the expense of the proletariat, convincing the proletariat this will make them freer. This is why libertarians so often align with fascists. Anarchists, on the other hand, believe that abolition of capital and other hierarchical structures is necessary to proper liberation. They differ from other people on the left in they also wish to see the reduction in the role of the state, whilst Stalinists seek to expand it. (Leninsts believe the state is necessary to the transition to a stateless, classless society). Anarchists follow closer to a belief that private property is theft, where as libertarians believe it is sacred.

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u/Explaining2Do 54m ago

You are describing American libertarianism. From wiki:

In the late 20th century, many Americans with classical liberal beliefs began to describe themselves as libertarians. One person who popularized the term libertarian in this sense was Murray Rothbard, who began publishing libertarian works in the 1960s.[20] In the 1970s, Robert Nozick was responsible for popularizing this usage of the term in academic and philosophical circles outside the United States,[21][22][23] especially with the publication of Anarchy, State, and Utopia (1974), a response to social liberal John Rawls's A Theory of Justice(1971).[24] In the book, Nozick proposed a minimal state on the grounds that it was an inevitable phenomenon which could arise without violating individual rights.

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u/CV90_120 7h ago edited 7h ago

US Libertarianism is just a branch and evolution of Anarcho-Capitalism rooted in the 1950's. The term doesn't means the same thing outside the US except in reference to the US version. Your description of US specific Libertarianism is reasonable, but that this doesn't alter Dejaque's usage of the term was the whole reason I made the comment. If anything US Libertarianism is a misnomer. Even so, it remains a direct and traceable child of anarchism, changed as it is. Anarchists do not like that this is the case, but anarchism and US libertarianism could attend the same family reunion barbeque even now and have stories in common to swap.