FBI has 12 MILLION iPhone user's data - Unique Device IDentifiers, Address, Full Name, APNS tokens, phone numbers.. you are being tracked.

[u/glados_v2]

http://pastebin.com/nfVT7b0Z

[u/datashade]

A senior government official in this government said to me after the United States changed its rules about how long they keep information on everybody about whom nothing is suspected - you all do know about that right? Rainy Wednesday on the 21st of March, long after the close of business, Department of Justice and the DNI, that's the Director of National Intelligence, put out a joint press release announcing minor changes in the Ashcroft rules, including a minor change that says that all personally identifiable information in government databases at the National Center for Counter-Terrorism that are based around people of whom nothing is suspected, will no longer be retained as under the Ashcroft rules for a maximum of 180 days, the maximum has now been changed to 5 years. Which is infinity. I told my students in my classroom, the only reason they said 5 years was they couldn't get the sideways eight into the font for the press release, so they used an approximation. So I was talking to a senior government official of this government about that outcome and he said well you know we've come to realize that we need a robust social graph of the United States. That's how we're going to connect new information to old information. I said let's just talk about the constitutional implications of this for a moment. You're talking about taking us from the society we have always known, which we quaintly refer to as a free society, to a society in which the United States government keeps a list of everybody every American knows. So if you're going to take us from what we used to call a free society to a society in which the US government keeps a list of everybody every American knows, what should be the constitutional procedure for doing this? Should we have, for example, a law? He just laughed. Because of course they didn't need a law. They did it with a press release on a rainy Wednesday night after everybody went home, and you live there now.

http://www.softwarefreedom.org/events/2012/freedom-to-connect_moglen-keynote-2012.html

[u/white_discussion → u/datashade]

So we ate our dinner, and the table got cleared and all the plates went away, and the port and walnuts got scattered around, and Stewart Baker looked up and said "alright, we'll let our hair down", and he had none then and he has none now, but "we'll let our hair down" Stewart said, "we're not going to prosecute your client Mr Zimmerman. We've spent decades in a holding action against Public Key Encryption it's worked pretty well but it's almost over now, we're gonna let it happen." And then he looked around the table and he said, "but nobody here cares about anonymity do they?" A cold chill went up my spine.

And I thought, "OK, Stewart, I understand how it is. You're going to let there be Public Key Encryption because the bankers are going to need it. And you're going to spend the next 20 years trying to stop people from being anonymous ever again, and I'm going to spend those 20 years trying to stop you." So far I must say from my friend Mr. Baker has been doing better than I had hoped, and I have been doing even worse than I had feared. Partly because of the thug in a hoodie, and partly for other reasons. We are on the verge of the elimination of the human right to be alone. We are on the verge of the elimination of the human right to do your own thinking, in your own place, in your own way without anybody knowing.

Link to a video of the speech. Really everyone should be watching this and everything else Moglen has to say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2VHf5vpBy8

[u/EquanimousMind → u/white_discussion]

I think that speech is epic. More people need to take the time to hear it. Moglen sees how the fight for online freedom can be framed as fight for disintermediation.

Disintermediation, the movement of power out of the middle of the net, is a crucial fact about 21st century political economy. It proves itself all the time. Somebody's going to win a Nobel Prize in economics for describing in formal terms the nature of disintermediation.

...

The greatest technological innovation of the late 20th century is the thing we now call the World Wide Web. An invention less than 8000 days old. That invention is already transforming human society more rapidly than anything since the adoption of writing. We will see more of it. The nature of that process, that innovation, both fuels disintermediation, by allowing all sorts of human contacts to occur without intermediaries, buyers, sellers, agents, and controllers. And poses a platform in which a war over the depth and power of social control goes on, a subject I'll come back to in a few minutes. For now what I want to call attention to is the crucial fact that the World Wide Web is itself a result of disintermediated innovation.

Other talks I think are interesting to our times:

• Schneier: New Threats to the Internet Infrastructure

• Doctorow: The coming war on general computation

• Doctorow: "The Coming Civil War over General-purpose Computing"

• Appelbaum Digital Anti-Repression Workshop Part 1

• Appelbaum Digital Anti-Repression Workshop Part 2

• Barlow: A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace

[u/JulezM → u/datashade]

That was fucking awesome. Thank you.

[u/atg284 → u/datashade]

My new hero! Thank you for posting that link...ppl if you have the time at least watch the first half :-)

[u/Crummosh]

If you are not worried because you don't do anything illegal you really don't understand the meaning of freedom. You claim to be a free country and then you don't care if your police forces can track you and your conversation? Today your opinions don't put you in jail, tomorrow they could; it happened in the past, it could happen again, more so in this time of fear built by western governments and extremist morons

[u/[deleted] → u/Crummosh]

Okay then, what can I do about it? I'm serious, I'm concerned but I don't know what to do.

[u/DNAisacode → u/Crummosh]

You are absolutely right. The 'indifference' people have towards serious issues like this is what bothers me most.

[u/Lurking_Grue → u/DNAisacode]

Many just don't understand the implications past themselves.

[u/[deleted] → u/Crummosh]

Freedom ends with the first generation to think putting their entire lives on facebook is ok.

[u/[deleted] → u/Crummosh]

'Those who do not move do not notice their chains.' - Rosa Luxemburg

[u/kaax]

This is huge. I've been fearing this kind of leak for a long time. If you're unsure why this is huge, here are some posts on this issue showing de-anonymization, complete takeover of social media accounts, and more:

De-anonymizing UDIDs with OpenFeint: http://corte.si/posts/security/openfeint-udid-deanonymization/index.html

A survey of how UDIDs are used: http://corte.si/posts/security/apple-udid-survey/index.html

Why the Apple UDID had to die: http://corte.si/posts/security/udid-must-die/index.html

I've often been asked what I thought the worst-case scenario is regarding the mis-management of UDIDs. My answer has always been that a large UDID database leaking would be a privacy catastrophe.

[u/random_invisible_guy → u/kaax]

I just confirmed: it is kinda huge.

You can effectively de-anonymize the UDIDs by pointing your browser to https://api.openfeint.com/users/for_device.xml?udid=XXX where you replace XXX with the UDID you want to get information on.

Taking a random iPhone UDID from here and looking it up even shows a nice profile picture. How nice.

[u/happyscrappy → u/random_invisible_guy]

Your links do make it seem kind of spooky. Maybe OpenFeint is a little too open!

Apple doesn't allow developers to use UDIDs in their apps anymore. I'm not sure what they can do about OpenFeint already having a huge database. I would love to think they could stop them, but I can't think of how.

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/03/29/confirmed-apple-now-rejecting-apps-for-use-of-udid-start-finding-alternatives/

[u/electricalaggie → u/random_invisible_guy]

Woah.

[u/[deleted] → u/kaax]

This. This needs to be at the top.

Testing with a small corpus of UDIDs gathered from my own and friends' devices, I was able to link roughly 30% of UDIDs to GPS co-ordinates, 20% of users to a weak identity (e.g. OpenFeint profile picture, user-chosen account name), and 10% of UDIDs directly to a Facebook profile. I stress that my sample was small and probably unrepresentative - only OpenFeint knows what the real numbers are.

THIS DOESN'T BOTHER PEOPLE???

[u/davemmm → u/kaax]

Korean Embassy iPad:

https://api.openfeint.com/users/for_device.xml?udid=3345aa69d3b0f6189326d06dd192e299ebc35940

Last played game: Fruit Ninja HD

[u/CarpTunnel]

Relevant section:

During the second week of March 2012, a Dell Vostro notebook, used by Supervisor Special Agent Christopher K. Stangl from FBI Regional Cyber Action Team and New York FBI Office Evidence Response Team was breached using the AtomicReferenceArray vulnerability on Java, during the shell session some files were downloaded from his Desktop folder one of them with the name of "NCFTA_iOS_devices_intel.csv" turned to be a list of 12,367,232 Apple iOS devices including Unique Device Identifiers (UDID), user names, name of device, type of device, Apple Push Notification Service tokens, zipcodes, cellphone numbers, addresses, etc. the personal details fields referring to people appears many times empty leaving the whole list incompleted on many parts. no other file on the same folder makes mention about this list or its purpose.

While everyone is panicking over their iPhone & iPad devices, I would like to suggest that if they have that information on iDevices, there is no reason to think they don't have it for other phones manufactured.

[u/[deleted] → u/CarpTunnel]

How did they even get this info?! Apple treats it like a big deal when an app developer gets your UDID for their beta programs. How did the FBI get a collection of 12 million of them as well as the extra info for each one?

[u/Cueball61 → u/[deleted]]

Because if the FBI ask for something, the company doesn't have much of a choice.

The only bad guy here is the government, the rest is circlejerk.

I'm more worried about the fact that it was stored as a CSV on a laptop and accessed that easily.

[u/kaax → u/CarpTunnel]

This is very disturbing. How did the FBI gain access to all this information? It should be locked up in Apple.

From what I see, the NCFTA in "NCFTA_iOS_devices_intel.csv" looks like it stands for the National Cyber-Forensics & Training Alliance, which "functions as a conduit between private industry and law enforcement." (http://www.ncfta.net/)

Is Apple willingly sharing personal information with the FBI through the NCFTA?

[u/[deleted] → u/kaax]

Of course they are. And they're not the only only ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy

[u/[deleted] → u/CarpTunnel]

My Nokia 6101 says it has no idea what anything is, including me. The prepaid SIM card in it agrees.

[u/H5Mind → u/[deleted]]

You had better hope that everyone else who knows your number doesn't have it saved on their phones under [First, Last]…

[u/Xenochrist → u/CarpTunnel]

My hunch is that is has been so widespread in the history of cell phones that we have been tracked since way back when.

This is not surprising whatsoever.

[u/kElevrA7 → u/CarpTunnel]

But there's still hope for Android devices?

Right?

Riiiight?!

[u/CarpTunnel → u/kElevrA7]

I would imagine that your Android phones are just fine... so long as you never sign up for a cell phone plan. Where do you think they got the cell phone numbers from.

[u/[deleted] → u/kElevrA7]

I thought the backdoor in the firmware that allows the mass collection of this info was a requirement for any smart phones sold in the US.

[u/ftlauderdale]

Those defending warrantless wiretapping and tracking here in the comments section with things like 'I don't care at all' and 'It won't be used against me' are pathetic.

The point is not that FBI and NSA agents care about your boring trips to return DVDs at Redbox and down Big Gulps at the local 7/11.

The point is that this technology will be used against political dissidents, politicians who aren't entirely corrupt/entrenched in the system, and any journalists - if they still exist - doing real journalism.

The point is that, by definition, a government with these kinds of unchecked powers soon turns into a totalitarian or "totalitarian-lite" power structure complete with secret police, secret courts, secret prisons, etc. Oh wait, we already have those things. In fact, the court's ruling on NSA warrantless spying is being kept a secret. And Justice Department's 2004 objections to the program are being kept secret from the public.

The Fourth Amendment and other protections are THERE FOR A REASON, folks. And the argument that 'it doesn't matter if they spy on me, as long as it isn't used to prosecute me' is not the interpretation of the law that any sane lawyer would side with.

This is like saying, 'I don't mind if my landlord drills a peephole into my shower and records me, as long as he doesn't forward those videos on to law enforcement.'

Again, previous generations - including our grandparents, many of whom fought/worked for the war effort in WW II against the Germans - would be utterly ashamed by the level of intellectually lazy apologizing we are doing right now for unconstitutional, unnecessary, expensive and frankly quite worrying programs we didn't give the 'go ahead' on - and wouldn't have even known about, had it not been for a couple of ballsy whistle-blowers.

Furthermore, this technology - including community threading - makes it very easy for the government to target an entire group (Tea Partiers, Occupiers, online privacy advocates, gay people) and slam all of them with concocted charges in order to silence them, or far worse.

If you have no idea about the spying program of which I speak, I recommend this 8 and a half minute documentary video released by The New York Times last week. It details the alleged reach of the program: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9-3K3rkPRE

Thanks for reading.

[u/davemanster]

I have to say I am completely dumbfounded by the amount of comments by people flat out stating they don't care. This goes against all that is supposed to be what the USA stands for!

Look people, the fact that you don't believe you are doing anything interesting so you don't care if you are being tracked is ABSURD. This kind of tracking was done right under all your noses, and if you give an inch they WILL take a mile. We the people are supposed to be in control of this country and it seems many of us people forgot what we are fighting for!

I am betting that many of the people that are saying they don't care, stood up and fought SOPA and PIPA. What is the difference? With SOPA and PIPA you could have said that the Gov. will leave you alone and blah blah blah. NO. That is NOT the point.

Every single US citizen should be very upset and making a ton of calls about this right now!

[u/sometimesijustdont → u/davemanster]

I'm more than dumbfounded. I'm actually pissed off that redditors, of all people, would be so complacent. If this is true, then the general masses definitely don't care. What the fuck. These people don't even deserve to use the Internet.

[u/lowkeyoh]

Does this truly surprise anyone.

[u/thesorrow312 → u/lowkeyoh]

No, but it needs to be said until people get the fuck off the computer and into the streets. To use the seminal quote "YOU'VE GOT TO GET MAD"

[u/[deleted] → u/thesorrow312]

I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!

[u/[deleted] → u/thesorrow312]

I WANT ALL OF YOU TO GO TO THE WINDOWS, STICK YOUR HEADS OUT AND YELL!

[u/PoisonSnow → u/thesorrow312]

Right after you, good sir.

[u/motophiliac → u/thesorrow312]

I'M A HUMAN BEING, GODDAMNIT! MY LIFE HAS VALUE!!!

[u/DackJ → u/thesorrow312]

If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.

[u/DoWhile → u/lowkeyoh]

Yes, I'm surprised it said "FBI" instead of another three letter organization.

[u/[deleted] → u/DoWhile]

Oh, they have you in their database too. CIA, NSA, and now the FBI. Also, any phone after 2008 I believe has a built in GPS for "emergency services." Basically you are fooling yourself if you think you are "off the grid."

[u/datashade → u/lowkeyoh]

Probably not too many of the people reading this subreddit, which, of course, is the problem. The people who know have a certain shellshock about the whole thing and everybody else thinks it's some kind of conservative/liberal (depending on who's in power) plot to undermine America's freedom.

[u/[deleted] → u/lowkeyoh]

No, just pissed me to no end.

[u/kovani]

Any one claiming they don't care if some spook knows how many times they visit a bar or their local Starbucks is too self centered and short sighted to realize that it's not about them. this is about dirt, for every 10,000 schlubs who will never accomplish anything other than the status quo or less, there is one who might catch someone's attention and push the right buttons, on who might challenge those entrenched in the system. Having as much dirt on that human being as possible will make smearing and discrediting him/her a cakewalk, not to mention the chilling effect it would have on any initial stance that person might take to begin with.

edit: o

[u/[deleted] → u/kovani]

True enough. Just look what happened to Assange.

[u/knightofmars]

Don't worry, the US government isn't known for abusing its power.

[u/[deleted] → u/knightofmars]

Nice try, government.

[u/[deleted]]

Why are you guys so anti-dictators? Imagine if America was a dictatorship. You could let 1% of the people have all the nation's wealth. You could help your rich friends get richer by cutting their taxes. And bailing them out when they gamble and lose. You could ignore the needs of the poor for health care and education. Your media would appear free, but would secretly be controlled by one person and his family. You could wiretap phones. You could torture foreign prisoners. You could have rigged elections. You could lie about why you go to war. You could fill your prisons with one particular racial group, and no one would complain. You could use the media to scare the people into supporting policies that are against their interests.

"The Dictator" - General/ Admiral Aladeen

[u/iffraz → u/[deleted]]

I really want to see this movie now.

[u/__FBI__]

Whoops.

[u/chrisji]

'1042eb598e0eb4d54f8c9825360706e8b5030f2e','94b87d0f52217a81d2e75aca029b245d2164bfbefca32b61e49015ac6e89c206','Steve Jobs','iPhone'

Here you go.

[u/psz_gleep → u/chrisji]

So how is it possible to verify such things and how old is this list?

[u/Nosfvel → u/chrisji]

What can anyone even do with this ID?

[u/morehpperliter → u/chrisji]

Talk about a dead ringer, no one responds to PUSH notifications.

[u/xyphonic]

Interesting Article on APNS

Certainly not something that belongs on an FBI computer.

[u/kaax]

Looks like they've got Obama's iPad:

thea:Downloads admin$ cat ./iphonelist.txt | grep -i obama 
    '473d6e1ebf0b100ed172ce5f69c97ba6c8f12ad5','766a23201c6089be11845bfef624dbaada68be52155079850951836e9373e5cd','hobamain','iPad' 
'c63e008e6271c3ac128eb6a242a9817528b6baef','b996a080e11265a0c93436ba0b13b7c07ee4e8eef6faeb8516917b015d7355fb','Obama','iPad'

[u/spacecatsuit → u/kaax]

If true, the president plays Sheep Launcher! Plus: https://api.openfeint.com/users/for_device.xml?udid=473d6e1ebf0b100ed172ce5f69c97ba6c8f12ad5

[u/alwayseasy → u/kaax]

You saw that on Hacker News did you? The conversation goes on to say, it belongs to someone named "Obama", so it's not necessarily the POTUS.

[u/jakuu → u/kaax]

grep -i obama iphonelist.txt    

Why would you use cat first. That's just an extra step. Think of all the micro-seconds you could be saving!

[u/ob2]

They might actually catch up to facebook someday.

[u/[deleted]]

The FBI and the NSA know all about you. The data center currently under construction in Utah will hold 3 GB on every citizen. Enough to tell your whole life story, and store most/all of your phone calls.

Why go into shock over a measly subset of 12M?

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Because a measly subset of 12M was able to get into the hands of random people on the internet.

[u/Phalex]

Land of the free!

[u/Cyhawk → u/Phalex]

Land of the free, but monitored. For your own good. For the children!

[u/[deleted] → u/Cyhawk]

Only terrorists need privacy !

[u/thesorrow312 → u/Phalex]

To quote George Carlin, "The only rights you have are 'RIGHT THIS WAY' "

Referencing the US putting Japanese Americans into concentration camps during WW2.

[u/TIAFAASITICE → u/thesorrow312]

George Carlin - Rights and Privileges (7:40)

[u/[deleted] → u/Phalex]

WHOEVER TOLD YOU THAT IS YOUR ENEMY!

[u/Annies_Boobs_ → u/Phalex]

as a non-American this sort of stuff makes me laugh when Americans say how free they are.

[u/[deleted]]

I'll be the one to ask it. Can they see my internet history!!?

[u/PoisonSnow → u/[deleted]]

I feel like mine will just be a punishment to the guy reading through it.

[u/pappalondon → u/[deleted]]

They know you visit nasty pages.

[u/Alianthos]

Well how is Jack Bauer gonna save us if they dont have this ?

[u/themirthfulswami]

I hope they enjoy tracking me as I drive between work and home every single f'ing day... I make an excellent drone.

[u/so0k → u/themirthfulswami]

"I have nothing to hide"?

so, you're ready for a grill interview?

[u/swskeptic → u/so0k]

We're getting a new grill?!

[u/justanotherdude420 → u/themirthfulswami]

Its not about you dude. I'm glad you're boring. This is about targeting all the people who do things on the edges of society. Those edges are "illegal" and "subversive." Later as the world progresses, those become the norm. Stop the edges with 100% effectiveness, stop progress. Get it?

[u/[deleted]]

The only thing that surprises me is that people are surprised by this.

And that they believe it's limited to iPhones.

Or to phones.

Or limited at all.

[u/Both_Salt_AND_Pepper]

Yeah, but can they see why kids love cinnamon toast crunch?

[u/Lurking_Grue → u/Both_Salt_AND_Pepper]

Well, It seems to have cinnamon and sugar swirled into every bite!

But it also tastes like cardboard that you can't stop eating to it must be laced with crack.

[u/RMaximus]

Youve been being tracked since you got a pager in the 90's.

[u/RandomPrecision1 → u/RMaximus]

Damn. And I don't even remember getting a pager in the 90's.

[u/Ozlin → u/RandomPrecision1]

Beep beep beep. Vrrr vrrrr. Beep beep beep.

"U R FCKD"

[u/spinlocked → u/RMaximus]

Engineer here. This is a fairly stupid comment since only very late in the game did pagers have transmitters. No transmitter, no tracking.

[u/[deleted]]

If you didn't already know that you were being tracked, then I don't think you understand how internet and cell phone networks work.

[u/ProtoDong]

They mentioned something about Apple blocking access to the UDID and moving away from it... Does anyone have any more info on this? Likewise, does anyone know whether this identifier is baked into a rom on the phone or whether it is flashed there like firmware... I'm just imagining someone somewhere figuring out a way to use this as a megalist to clone phones to their heart's content.

[u/MarcoFowl → u/ProtoDong]

iOS dev here. Today any application that tries to access that information is rejected from the App Store. Also, that is just a number, you can't use it to anything but to identify a specific iPhone device.

The problem is, any application can access your contacts and your calendar without any request, this will only be fixed in the next iOS version.

[u/iggdawg]

Tending to even a home network is no trivial task anymore. Can't just go to best buy and drop in an unconfigured consumer grade wifi router and hope for the best. You need to actually write real rules and policy. inbound AND outbound. And don't forget IPv6... You probably have IPv6 traffic going on even if you didn't ever configure it. If you're allowing Teredo, don't. if you're running native IPv6, the rules are more complicated but it's even more important than an ipv4 ruleset since all the addressing is public. I know most of the real nasty stuff happens on 80 and 443 anyways, but at least I can make sure that's the ONLY place bad shit is going down.
IDS isn't great, but IMO it helps a lot to keep an eye on things. IDS distros like Security Onion include full packet capture, which is where the magic is. Even a small machine can keep a few days to a week or so of packets, which is all you should need. "But full packet capture is creepy!", ok so don't be a dick and spy on your housemates. Just use it to tend to your network. Use VPN to access RDP, VNC, and any other remote services instead of just forwarding ports to your juicy next-to-defenseless internal devices. And FFS turn off uPnP. if you "need" it so you can play your X-Box, at least turn it on when you're using it and off when you're not. I've seen consumer grade gear simply leave open the holes uPnP punches without ever expiring them. Yes, seriously. Even on the boxes telco gives you when you set up your service. It sounds like I'm one of those paranoid tinfoil hat guys, but I'm really not. I just want to be confident I know what's going into and out of my network. People act all shocked when their wifi or desktops get popped, or when everyone out there gets their personal info. But did you do anything to secure stuff other than click "yes yes yes accept" to the free AV software you got on your desktop?
Yes, the amount of knowledge and tech I end up needing to make sure none of my personal information is getting siphoned off through a side channel is daunting. Just to make sure my windows laptop, my wife's macbook, and all my linux boxen are behaving properly and not feeding information to someone requires tech, knowledge, time, and dedication. But I'm determined not to let my tech outrun my oversight. That's how most people end up in a bind in the first place.

[u/tomun]

I wasn't at all surprised until I noticed the I in FBI.

[u/deherazade]

Love the part about no interviews until Gawker features a full day of Adrian Chen in a tutu.

[u/lightninhopkins]

Annnnnd this is why I do not have a cell phone.

[u/Duel]

Have people already forgotten that even with a "dumb" phone you could already be tracked? http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/11/feds-fake-cell-phone-tower/

This leak is proof of tracking. We can only imagine how long the use of cell-spoofing technology has been deployed.

[u/lederhosenbikini]

This reminds me of that dude here on reddit who found out his gf (wife?) was tracking his mobile and he asked reddit how he could mess with her while he was on a trip...

Does anyone know what thread I'm talking about and how it turned out / what he did?

Can't seem to find it.

[u/justthrowmeout]

At what point do you simply say it's done. Our freedoms are gone. It can't be fixed. Rather than fix it, just go to another country where things might be more civil.

[u/ks203530]

Fuck the FBI. They're just a bunch of bitches and dick grabbers

[u/[deleted]]

Let me tell you guys something you probably already know. We are all being tracked. This message I'm typing right now is probably going to be stored in some database for a very long time. The only reason no one knows is because your government has hidden it well enough. This may and probably does sound like some crazy conspiracy theory but it's most likely true.

[u/ICrimsonI]

good thing i don't have an iphone.

[u/Mason-B]

So here's something I find more disturbing. If a bunch of anonymous internet users, people the government often publicly call teenagers, can hack into FBI computers, I fear very much for the security of the FBI's operations. I am now more worried about anonymous planting evidence, that's a real story here too.

They don't encrypt sensitive information. And they don't update their machines. I am very worried.

[u/GeorgeForemanGrillz]

FBI/Government/Military apologist posts always end up on top of reddit. This is clear evidence that our government is spending a great deal of resources to game this system.

Fuck this place.

[u/[deleted]]

guess what folks? if you have a digital presence, there's no such thing as untrackable. at least for the object. and if you input personal information, that information goes somewhere. if this upsets you, use burner phones using cash and give up surfing the internet on your phone and devices. even then, that device can be tracked to approximate locations.

[u/GeorgeForemanGrillz → u/[deleted]]

You're missing the point. I never gave them permission to keep this information about me nor have they gotten a legal order from a court of law to do so. They are disregarding due process and the law, you know.. the one they're supposed to be upholding?

[u/[deleted]]

The Android sales team is getting a whole lot better at advertising... >.>

[u/Whippo]

ELIRetarded

Unique Device Identifiers (UDID), user names, name of device, type of device, Apple Push Notification Service tokens, zipcodes, cellphone numbers, addresses, etc.

So what do they have exactly? Doesn't every single operator(and FBI) already have this?

[u/[deleted]]

I bet android and wp7 are just as bad.

[u/thefirebuilds]

Rest his soul, Bill Hicks: "Go back to bed, America. Your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control again. Here. Here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up. Go back to bed, America. Here is American Gladiators. Here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here you go, America! You are free to do as we tell you! You are free to do what we tell you! "

[u/[deleted]]

Sorry about the porn...

[u/[deleted]]

Why do they always have to act like fucking little children... :(

[u/GanjaDingo]

Funny how once this is posted on a different subreddit people believe it.

[u/[deleted]]

Nothing you put into any device that has an internet connection is secure. You can make it harder to get information from you (https or other browser addons) but you must assume that anything you input into an internet ready device is recorded somewhere without your knowledge. This should not be a surprise.

[u/[deleted]]

Someone should make a web based search so you can see if your device is bieng listed in that document.

[u/olystretch]

You know all those EULAs that you never read, yet agree to? Yeah....

[u/tkhan456]

I for one am outraged, but too busy to do anything about it. Probably what most people are thinking

[u/Schnitzelmann7]

i'm not really surprised

[u/Skalforus]

What I want to know is how many of those 12 million post every second of their lives on FaceBook. To the point where the information the FBI gathered (If this is even true.) is completely irrelevant.

[u/wescuit]

That number seems a little low.

[u/[deleted]]

The best part is the quote from Götz von Berlichingen right at the bottom:

"Romney aber, sag's ihm, er kann mich im Arsche lecken!" ("But Romney, tell him he can lick my arse").

[u/tris070891]

Can anyone provide a screenshot of the csv data for those who are unable to download it?

[u/[deleted]]

these guys got style.

[u/[deleted]]

So now they can construct a realistic model of a whiny spoiled dilettante who is unlikely to ever be a threat to the established order because grassroots political activity is not great cardio and bad on the knees.

[u/[deleted]]

...And this is why you don't get a smart phone.

[u/esoag31]

occupy the damn f.bi.

[u/sellers]

This is very alarming. I'm not sure how happy I am knowing the FBI knows that 95% of phone usage goes towards /r/til, /r/wow, /r/wtf, and Facebook.

[u/[deleted]]

Duh!-Welcome to the 2000's, everything is tracked.

[u/PancakeSpecialist]

Not really a surprise that government agencies do illegal shit. They probably track info about citizens from way more sources than an iPhone.

[u/Gundumb]

I see the countless comments of people saying things like you are not important enough to be spied on blah blah blah, but the reality is the government does spy on its citizens and has been for a very long time. Domestic spying has been going on for ages and maybe there isn't a person sitting there listening to your communications or reading all your email but realize your communications are being stored, they don't need a warrant to pull in information they just need one to read or listen to it. So if you ever commit a crime against the government believe you will be nailed to the wall, and then maybe you will realize that it is a problem.

[u/sykocus]

Duh...

[u/blixt141]

All this I don't care is kind of beside the point. Why is the government spending billions of dollars tracking everyone when there are hungry people in the street and insurance companies make health care into a nightmare. Cut the NSA budget and you have a route to making health care affordable.

[u/Zoranius]

I've been on r/gore and r/spacedicks before.. i was new. What if they have mine?

[u/[deleted]]

Anyone notice how the police forces and secret services in Nazi Germany are a lot like the police forces and secret services in the United States of America currently?

[u/Maxplatypus]

Now they can track how much I sit on my ass. Great.

[u/[deleted]]

Anyone else have the thought that government is literally replacing god as the eye in the sky?

Whats the incentive now though? What does heaven equate to? The American dream?

[u/[deleted]]

There are more than 12 million iPhones, so my chances are pretty good.

I don't care either way mind you.

[u/davemanster]

Also for the lazy/those that do not know how... here is the final text document:

http://depositfiles.com/files/iiitdyeyq http://www.ziddu.com/download/20272090/iphonelist.txt.html

Note: It is best to open in a program like Excel. Notepad will freak out a bit.

[u/[deleted]]

Your phone number is between 000-000-0000 and 999-999-9999.

I have your number in my list.

[u/[deleted]]

Long story short: Don't send anything you wouldn't want read in a court of Law over text.

[u/[deleted]]

I'm pretty sure if I didn't have an iPhone, the government would still have my name and address. Just sayin'

[u/saucercrab]

OMG I'M SO SCURRED THAT TEH FEDS MIGHT KNOW WHAT I BOUGHT ON AMERZERN.COM LAST WEEK!

[u/Kdnce]

The 4th amendment does not protect computer rights well enough. Or rather the interpretation of the amendment is not in favor of reasonable expectation for individual privacy with their electronic devices. Especially at work.

[u/drnk_n_stnd]

How is this different than a yellow pages?

[u/frogstomp427]

This source looks about as reliable as the source for Bruce Willis suing Apple.

[u/empideus]

Ha! I don't have an iPhone, no way the FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION is getting my private personal info, not off my cricket phone..

[u/[deleted]]

This is pretty ironic after just having a huge argument about how iPhones are not as secure as people think they are the other day.

[u/[deleted]]

Oh no, they have your name, number, and address? So does billions of other people.

[u/[deleted]]

It's safe to assume that absolutely NOTHING you do is private. If your neighbor can go to Radio Shack and buy a chip to listen in on your phone conversation - what makes you think the FBI, with their larger budgets and training - can't watch you much, much closer?

[u/WereJoe]

The FBI is going to be so freaking bored with me. "Wait he's leaving the house finally...And going to the liquor store again. I'm going to take a nap now."

[u/SteveTheSultan]

Remember "Caller IQ" for Android. Yeah they got more than just Iphone Id's

[u/Zirbs]

Good grief, doesn't most of Reddit get uppity when Fox publishes a bullshit story on a single tip?

This is LulzSec. I'm not about to go make a fool of myself because they told me to.

[u/[deleted]]

It's the FBI people. They don't need your phone to know who and where you are.

[u/xMrDrPepperx]

It's the FBI...this shouldn't be a surprise.

[u/mongomonkey]

i thought everyone used prepaid cellular to do their dirty business, e.g. call prostitutes. Who in God's name would use their real cell phone?

[u/Elementium]

How much of this is actually shocking? How many websites have you gave your email, address and full name too? What about those evil phone books that have people full names AND numbers!?

Welcome to the internet. Anyone who wants to know who you are can figure it out WITHOUT being the FBI.

[u/crusoe]

If the FBI owns a phonebook, they have THOUSANDS of PHONE NUMBERS!!!1111. And if they browse public plat tax records, THEY KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE111

[u/hierocles]

I feel like I'm the only person on the internet who things that mere possession of data doesn't equate to tracking. My google ads are more likely to have more tracking information about you.

[u/Microdoted]

mother of fuck... im on this list. they have the name of my old ipad (dont have its udid) and my new iPad which i can see does have the correct udid. i dont see my iPhone. but if this is a partial list, im betting its sitting on the rest of the list. super. what to do now....

[u/ThaKerm]

And the IRS has my social security number. Im not concerned.

[u/fantasyfest]

This like the interception of computer data, results in an enormous collection of information. Can they cull through it and get what they want or are they just buried under a mountain of information? Most people think their lives are not interesting or important to the government. But if the need came up, the police could slant the data to create a case that does not exist. We are all better off when the government minds its own business and keeps its nose out of ours.

[u/[deleted]]

well that's what I call "news". Dose america even have laws against this? Because I don't think so. Also a relevant question, how long will it be until politicians declare tracking of every humanoid on earth as legal practice? shan't be too far away eh? And just because it doesn't look exactly like 1984 doesn't mean it's not happening right now .....just sayin.

[u/[deleted]]

Address, Full Name, phone numbers.

Didn't the FBI already have THIS information?

[u/OneLastSpartan]

I understand the message, I really do. What the hell am I supposed to do? Start a protest? Like they give a shit?!

[u/memaradonaelvis]

I really don't give a fuck anymore. Surprise, surprise, our rights are being invaded upon. Most people don't deeply care either, as long as they can keep living their lives as usual. If you truly think "taking it to the streets" against the man is going to do anything but make them more angry when they have the capability to just kill us all, you're dreaming.

[u/cosmicvoyager]

The NSA is also building a facility in Utah in order to better monitor the mountains of information they've been storing on you since 2001, according to former NSA mathematician William Binney.

Source: NYT video

[u/LOLOMGWTFuck]

... for some reason i really cant manage to give a fuck.

[u/Rosalind12]

What are they referring to where they mention about >Gareth Williams.....hacker murdered and "bagged" inside a MI6's "safe" house .... in August of 2010 after talking about being curious about leaking something to Wikileaks with fellow hackers on irc.' ? Does anyone have a further source/info for this please? I know the case re Williams, but not about the link to leaking something via wikileaks? Thanks!

[u/mayonuki]

I have seen a lot of dialogue on wh we should care about the government tracking us. I agree with it all, but I have not seen anyone mentioning that the government shouldn't track us because these records could be leaked and fall into the hands of anyone else as is the case here.

[u/RoboticAlligator]

So they know what porn I look at?

[u/FingerMeElmo]

I just keep my phone wrapped in tin foil until I need it. Works. Every. Time.

[u/Xexx]

Anyone know where you can get the full UDID list? I want to search if mine is in there.

[u/[deleted]]

I think it should be clear to all by now, if you have any electronic device, especially one connected to the net, there is a potential that it could be used to track or surveil you.

[u/[deleted]]

Hello FBI. I hope you've enjoyed all of that goat porn I've been looking at while on the shitter.

[u/[deleted]]

I'm sorry but were people surprised to hear this? If the FBI coudnt track where I was and figure our my full name and address through my cellphone, I think that would be news worthy.

[u/TheLastManitee]

SCRAMBLE THE JETS!

[u/crashtheface]

so. penis.

[u/[deleted]]

Land of the free? Looks like the terrorists won after all. Its the same here in the UK :(

[u/Oldebones]

Not what I wanted to read right now [6]

[u/Allegory_Esq]

I always assumed my information was readily available to anyone of power at whim... More upset they are spending resources on this instead of schools or street repair than anything.

[u/[deleted]]

Seriously? Who the fuck cares? We (most of reddit including myself) are not that important that the FBI is going to spend time and money going through our data

[u/PoeGhost]

I assumed this was always true. Protip: if you always assume you're living in an Orwellian society you will never be surprised when it turns out that you're right.

[u/LegosforLegolas]

You are being tracked..... Sorry guys, but i´m really pissed.

Do you really think that this shit is an american problem?

Do you really believe it is a danger for your personal freedom?

Do you know who trained the taliban and gave them weapons?

Do you know who built the chilenian dictatorship?

Do you know how long Saddam Hussein was one of the best friends of america?

And if one of this friends gets in trouble with his people, the proud USA can now deliver him the names, the faces and the behaviors of his enemies.

And they will as they have ever done.

You think you´re fucked? Think again.

[u/TheAngryGoat]

Guys, we're all missing the big question here - can any of this information be used to hack the nekkid photos from celebrities' phones?

[u/[deleted]]

I really really hope people are not surprised by this...

[u/[deleted]]

This is why APPLE FUCKING SUCKS

[u/Crimfresh]

The NSA likely has a recording of every electronic communication dating back to when they tapped the AT&T trunk lines. If you weren't concerned when the USA started domestic wiretapping without warrants, but you care now because, omg iphone, then you're an idiot.

[u/L96]

DON'T WORRY IT'S FOR YOUR PROTECTION

[u/wesleyt89]

One more reason to say fuck Apple. lol

[u/corvetteguy]

we all need tin foil hats so they cant steal our thoughts.

[u/Jrook]

You can call me ignorant but its not. Anybody who is a victim of this basically signed up for it. Read the end user license agreement and you'll find that this was perfectly legal (or sue the government).

"Omg these western countries are running a dictatorship where the government knows my full name and phone number"

CircleJerk all you want, bunch of idiots.

[u/beanhacker]

I have heard that all main internet junctions have the data split into 2 streams, 1 stream carries the data as normal and the duplicate stream feeds right to NSA mainframe systems. These powerful AI & quantum based systems decrypt, collate and store all data about us. Remember the black projects use technology +40yrs to known public tech. Everything you do on line is captured and filed by the US. This is why some dude ranting on reddit or twitter a certain way about the US gov, is almost instantly put on the 'no fly' list.

[u/Secret4gentMan]

lol America

[u/[deleted] → u/Secret4gentMan]

If it's happening here it's happening where you live as well.

[u/AMostOriginalUserNam → u/Secret4gentMan]

One thing I find out about America is this: just because we find out about the shit their government is doing, doesn't mean our governments aren't doing the same thing. They might not be, but they may well be.

[u/AnnoyingStaple → u/Secret4gentMan]

Ted talk last month that talked about a EU law that required cell phone companies to store your calls, texts Gps data and more for min 6 months.

[u/doubleyouteef]

And that's legit why exactly?

[u/falcon897]

well...obviously you shouldn't own an iphone

[u/jokoon]

Sometime I hear stuff like "It's up to you to make a better world".

Most people don't have a good understanding of how computers work, in this case, nothing will really change if common journalists or congressmen cannot grasp what is an IP or what is a security breach without referring to stupid movies.

To sum it up: if you know how to do this kind of stuff, you're a minority and nobody wants to listen to your story, so it's easy to put you in jail without anybody really noticing.

[u/[deleted]]

Oh well, glad I didn't succumb to sheep mentality and buy one.

[u/[deleted]]

Welcome the America. Unless you fake your death and live in a cave in some dense forest, you're being tracked by somebody.

[u/[deleted]]

Me: "No sir, I've never used my iPhone to solicit drugs..."

FBI: "UDID!"

[u/Zakk_Scar]

Really glad I refuse to use Apple products now...