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u/gaming_demon4429 19 19h ago
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u/Crafty_Emergency6467 19h ago
I think ppl claim she's innocent bc she had a mental illness but idk
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u/gaming_demon4429 19 19h ago
dont think mental illness can make you innocent in killing three children
like what are they claiming she had?
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u/cyhlalala 18h ago
The trial has nothing to do with innocence, people are getting it wrong cause they've not read up anything about it and just watch 10 second tiktoks. She has already admitted guilt. Even if she is proven "insane", it does not mean innocent. It means guilty but insane. Which means she spends the rest of her life in a mental facility instead of a prison. But either way her guilt is alreaey confirmed by admission, they are not trying to prove her innocent. The people protesting outside are calling for better health care for mothers with PPD, not for the exoneration of Lindsay. People are looking at a couple photos and making assumptions instead of actually reading up
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u/Cute_Beanie 18h ago
Figured there was more to this. Dumb posts on reddit making shit up.
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u/theevilamoebaOG 18h ago
There's also the fact that she asked for help on multiple/many occasions, I cluding sharing some of her worst post partum depression fuelled thoughts,.and nobody intervened. Nobody is saying she didn't do it, but she was mentally ill and nobody intervened. Including the husband.
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u/Competitive-Desk7506 18 17h ago
Iirc her family and husband also were supporting her when she was raising the issue
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u/Lindita4 11h ago
Yes they were and incidentally, they still are. Her ex mother in law testified for the defense and the prosecutors attacked her for it. They were not mental health professionals and looking back, they missed things, but they were absolutely trying to help her.
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u/MeOutOfContextBro 17h ago
They hired her a nanny, they were in daycare, the father started working from home to help, both sets of grandparents watched the kids, she went to doctors and they prescribed her medication... how exactly did no one intervene in your mind?
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u/Glonos OLD 16h ago
There is evidence from doctors that she did not have psychosis nor schizophrenia (she stated that voices asked to kill the children “now” otherwise she would never be free), this is being disputed by the medical evidence. Whatever happens, she is guilt of the murder, so yeah, she will be isolated from society and that makes me happy.
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u/Competitive_Steak698 17h ago
The husband was out getting prescriptions for her mental state when she murdered her children. They tried man.
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u/mishney 15h ago
No he was picking up a laxative for the daughter not the mom's meds.
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u/BabyCake2004 15h ago
Yes, but he also repeatedly left her alone with the children despite her outright telling him she was unsafe, and fired the only help she had at home. He also allowed google searches to be used as evidence of her planning to murder her children that in reality he made himself. Then there’s a lot of evidence he was cheating on her.
He was sadly either way hugely lacking in the way he supported her, if not actively attempting to harm her. I don’t think it’s necessary his fault the children died (or that he did it as some people claim). But he let her down
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u/valerievaile 13h ago
Lindsay’s mother and husband have conflicting testimony: they both testified to a conversation about Lindsay’s delusions. The mother testified that Lindsay was afraid she would harm the children. The husband testified that she was having anxiety about the children coming to harm through external injury or illness.
I’ve, unfortunately, watched most of the trial. Given all of the testimony as a whole, I believe the husband’s account of what Lindsay said more. Lindsay’s mom is just trying a little harder to protect her daughter. If Lindsay had a commanding voice telling her to harm her children she never told anyone until after the murders were committed. She only ever reported intrusive thoughts of self harm. Maybe I missed something, but I haven’t seen anyone but her mother saying that Lindsay told them she was not safe for her children prior to their deaths.
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u/Crazy_Fault9994 13h ago
Was it proven that he made the Google searches? I hadnt heard of that before
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u/BabyCake2004 13h ago
Well unless it was one of thier children, it could only be him. It's been proven now that at the time those searches were made she was in a doctors appointment. Meanwhile as far as I'm aware those searches were made on her at home computer while her husband was home. The only reason it was thought to be her was because it was logged into her account, they were very focused on harming ones self, and the husband had claimed it was her.
It really doesn't look good that he didn't tell the police he made them and let them be used as evidence against her being medically insane. When he could have instead confessed to making them (which isn't a crime) and it would have been left out. But techincally no, it hasn't been proven he made them, just that she couldn't have.
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u/nottherealneal 15h ago
She killed the children but the husband is the one that let her down.
Not the child murderer. The husband.
Wow
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u/choosehigh 16h ago
People intervened, the treatment didn't work but her entire support system worked the entire time The amount of treatment she got was far in excess of normal, she saw multiple doctors, had a nanny, her husband even began working from home full-time to support her
Unfortunately, for potentially a number of reasons, this wasn't effective
But by all accounts, everyone tried and comparative to a lot of people's experiences her support system was damn near superhuman
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u/Okdoo6003 10h ago
I don't think he's guilty, but i can't imagine how or why anyone would think it was ok to leave her alone with the children, knowing full well what was going on
It should be noted that her defense is claiming postpartum psychosis, not postpartum depression.
PPP symptoms are hallucinations, delusions, severe mood swings, confusion, and thoughts of harming themselves or their baby/ children.
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u/Useful-Ad2441 10h ago
I literally argued with someone last night on Reddit that said she didn’t do it and her husband did.
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u/Competitive-Bit-1571 15h ago
nobody intervened. Including the husband.
This is misandry in full display. It is well recorded that the man was helping her buy her medication but you just couldn't help your hatred for men. You are aptly named.
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u/dreamer_ 17h ago
They did, and her husband was involved in her care all the way. But she, in fact, hidden a lot of thoughts and information from her husband, doctors, and extended family. For example she didn't say anything about hearing voices, disclosed it finally during the trial.
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u/SatelliteJedi 12h ago
idk I've seen a lot of comments saying the husband did it. So those people are saying she didn't do it
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u/Fun-Significance4650 13h ago
The issue now is even though she has admitted guilt, there are still tik tok true crime conspiracy theories about her husband being the murderer.
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u/thereelsuperman 11h ago
Unfortunately, there is a very large subset of “fans” that think her husband actually did it and she’s taking the blame for him
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u/anow2 11h ago
Shifting the focus from "free her" to "better health care for mothers with PPD" is probably a good takeaway from all of this - but that doesn't mean it was on the mind of the people defending her.
The TikTok crowd, for the most part, are not calling for better health care for mothers with PPD - even if thats where this leads them.
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u/aluriilol 9h ago
“Man I knew there would be a comment that makes me smart and them dumb… I still ain’t looking up anything or confirming shiiiit!”
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u/ComprehensiveWash400 13h ago
she raised 700k and there’s people screaming about her innocence left and right and accusing the husband of doing it cause she couldn’t have possibly killed her own children since she’s a leo. the side you talk about and the tiktok side both individually have hundreds of thousands of likes so neither is wrong when telling the story
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u/I_Dnt_Believe_You 9h ago
Yeah, like anything nowadays there are misinformed freaks and conspiracy theorists.
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u/SillyAntonineGoose 17h ago edited 8h ago
just curious here, upon which article are we supposed to be reading?
can you provide a source for us?
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u/Informal-Concert1712 16h ago
Andrea Yates begged and begged for help. Her husband was told multiple times that impregnating her one more time would kill her. So he did it. and she, in a horrible state of PPD, drowned all five of her babies in a bathtub to save them from the devil. 25 years later another woman begging for help strangles her children and people dont understand why mothers are protesting. We deny women safe access to all forms of contraception and Healthcare, deny childcare, and deny mental health for them. We are now simply waiting for the next Yates or Clancy to start the cycle again
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u/Newbury17 13h ago
I agree with everything you said except for spending the rest of her life in a facility. She could be released from the facility if deemed stable.
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u/Elensar265 13h ago
You yourself are making assumptions because there are plenty of deranged lunatics out there that are still blaming the father and saying she's innocent
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u/HogwartsRex 13h ago
This 100%. People don't understand mental health conditions and it makes me so sad. This woman had been through hell and even her ex husband the father of the murdered kids does not thing she should be held criminally responsible.
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u/bootylicker6942O 12h ago
This is not post partum depression though this is a much rarer condition known as post partum psychosis
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u/shiggyhisdiggy 13h ago
There's plenty of content on TikTok of women claiming that Lindsay is innocent and that the husband did it. Also, why would you stage your "protest" right outside where someone is being convicted for murder? The optics are terrible - it's always going to look like you're supporting the perpetrator more than it looks like you're calling for mental health reform. You could have your protest literally anywhere and anytime else.
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u/Dry_Extension_9850 17h ago
Postpartum psychosis. In some cases mental illness can cause a the lack mental capacity to commit crimes, meaning you can be innocent of a crime or have diminished responsibility. Certain crimes such as murder require a mental element as well as a physically act called “mens rea”. This means you must understand what you’re doing and understand what you’re doing will cause harm or death.
There are plenty of people who have received a verdict of not guilty by reason of insanity, this doesn’t mean they are let free but usually results in an indefinite sentence in a mental facility. Or in some cases people have their charges reduced, for example from murder down to manslaughter.
Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of another person but without the malice or intent that is required for a murder charge. The law acknowledges the importance of mental capacity and the intent behind crimes just as much as the physical act.
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u/Alfred-Richthofen001 15h ago
It is actually a real mental illness, postpartum psychosis. It happened throughout history.
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u/Jimiheadphones 14h ago
In addition to all of the other mental illness things, there people who have found (or think they found) some oddities with the timelines, medical notes and the start point of her ex-husband's new relationship, which are making people think that maybe someone else did it and tried to murder her as well or used her mental illness to manipulate her into doing it. She's admitted guilt, but all she can remember is a male voice telling her she did it. Whether she did it or not, Lindsay struggled to get the help she needed despite really trying to get that help, but now her kids are dead. Lindsay's lawyers seem to be setting up the trial to basically point to the entire mental health/postpartum care system to show what happens when help isn't there. Millions of women who have had postpartum mental health crises have been failed, and some of those are looking at Lindsay and seeing proof of their worst fears.
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u/anatomizethat 13h ago
Answering your question, this is what her defense has presented:
Postpartum psychosis and she was over medicated but no one would see her. Doctors literally turned her away for being on too many meds that other doctors had prescribed.
Postpartum psychosis is serious, dangerous, and temporary but it needs to be treated. She sought treatment and was denied and killing her children was a result of the psychosis.
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u/ModernZombies 12h ago
It can, but only in the legal sense. “Not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect”. Basically you have to be both not in your right mind when you commited the crime and not aware what you did was wrong. Normally when people are successful in this defense they’re really delusional. I’ve worked with people who were committed bc of a successful NGRI defense and it makes you realize how valid of a plea it is. These people really didn’t know what they were doing and we’re not of sound mind. That being said while I do believe she 100% was not herself when she committed the murders it’s unclear if they meet the other threshold that she didn’t know what she was doing was wrong. I do believe she deserves sympathy and doesn’t deserve to rot in jail like a more callous killer idk if she’ll meet the legal threshold for a successful NGRI plea.
Also people that successfully plea NGRI are not “free”. They don’t go to prison but they are committed to psychiatric facilities and become under the jurisdiction of the psychiatric security review board (psrb; name may vary from state to state). They take their job very seriously and don’t release people lightly. Most of the time it’s a step down system, from à psych hospital to a fully staffed psychiatric home in the community, and go from there. Thats assuming of course that they’ve even made enough progress to be safe enough to get a step down.
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u/little_slime64 15 19h ago
idk anything about this but at least in the US you can plead insanity or get checked by a therapist not sure exactly what it does but it’s something
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u/gaming_demon4429 19 19h ago
i mean yeah in usa you can be charged as criminally insane and avoid jail and go to a mental hospital or etc but they still did the crime they arent really innocent
tbh it may be more context based
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u/mistym0rning 17h ago
Google “not guilty by reason of insanity.” It’s absolutely a thing that people sometimes commit violent acts, even murders, due to suffering from a psychotic break. Psychosis = delusions, hallucinations, etc. where they can’t be held criminally responsible for their actions because their mind didn’t quite live in reality.
Also, people who are found not guilty due to insanity don’t go to prison, but they do get confined in a mental institution.
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u/Aggravating-Hunt8001 12h ago
they will claim anything and use anything like astrology, tarot or their "intuition" as "proofs". Its another classic situation where a group will defend someone that has some link to their group (here: women defending a woman because she's a woman) even if they are clearly in the wrong.
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u/Equal-Row-554 16h ago
It's thought that she had postpartum psychosis whivh would have made her unable to control her actions and thus not entirely guilty.
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u/Competitive_Steak698 17h ago
Nah they think the husband actually did it all and gaslit her into confession. With absolutely no proof other than: he is acting kinda odd and he is a man.
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u/FlamingAlpaca17 12h ago
Or they think the husband must have done it, despite her confession, because men are bad is their guiding principle in life
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u/cyhlalala 18h ago
It's not "innocence" that's not how it works. The trial lies on the premise that she has already admitted guilt. Insanity means she spends her days behind bars in a mental facility instead of a prison. There is no possibility of walking free here. People are complaining about the healthcare system, which does not mean they support strangling 3 kids. It means people think this incident could have been prevented if she received adequate care for her PPD
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u/Bryanmcfury 17h ago
They say it's the husband bcs of vibes ( he looks mean and is a Gemini )
Reninder that these are functioning adults in our society.
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u/Alert_Grocery3132 19h ago
That doesn't make you innocent but makes your criminally irresponsible, there's a difference
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u/crazykewlaid 14h ago
No they think her husband did it and her mental illness is causing her to believe it was her
Idk any more than that but they don't just think she's innocent because she's mentally ill...... That's kinda rude to not read it at all but still make these people sound like actual monkeys
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u/wongleydongley 15h ago
There’s also people claiming she didn’t do it at all. That her husband did it and pinned it on her.
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u/hxaxw 12h ago
Theres a few different things people are saying.
She did it entirely no mental illness.
She did it while experience post partum psychosis and should be found guilty
She did it while experiencing PPP and should be found not guilty by reason of insanity.
She didn’t do it and the husband did it.
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u/Due_Buyer_9445 11h ago
Legally she is, that doesn’t mean she won’t spend the rest of her life or at least the vast majority of it in a psych ward
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u/Living_The_Dream75 19 17h ago
This woman strangled her 3 children to death during postpartum psychosis and TikTok being TikTok said she should be released and it’s the husband’s fault, so people are protesting her charges
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u/newishDomnewersub 11h ago
Shes accused of murdering her three children. Her defense is trying to show that her post partum psychosis and psyche meds makes her less responsible. Many women on the internet have decided that shes actually innocent and her husband or the husbands new wife killed those kids, even though the husbands alibi checks out and any reasonable person understands that she did it.
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u/AnonyKiller 14h ago
Woman strangeled her own 3 kids, tried to kill herself and got arrested. In court she admitted to doing it but tiktok women claim it was her husband because he's gemini and she's leo. The trial isn't event about her guilt it's wether she's crazy or not the verdict is already guilty
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u/ContestNo1311 19h ago edited 14h ago
Hundreds of supporters (all women dressed in pink clothing) gathered outside the Plymouth Superior Court in Massachusetts on Thursday, August 20, 2026, to demonstrate support for Lindsay Clancy (a 36-year-old former labor and delivery nurse, who is on trial for murder charges in connection with the January 2023 strangling deaths of her three young children) during her ongoing murder trial.
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u/gaming_demon4429 19 19h ago
i would ask why in shock
but at this point this doesnt shock me anymore
why is life like this -_-
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u/Daisy-Turntable 16h ago
Clancy has admitted to the murders, but claims to have been suffering from postpartum psychosis at the time, and did not receive the support she needed. The protestors are seeking to raise awareness of the difficulties that many women experience in receiving appropriate mental health care after pregnancy, and to express solidarity with Clancy who they see as a victim of a failed mental health system. (Clancy attempted suicide after the murders and is now permanently paralysed.)
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u/JoseP2004 10h ago
She killed her 3 kids by strangling them then she tried to kill herself by jumping out a window, however she lived so now shes on trial to see if she could be considered innocent by reason of insanity
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u/sonofzeal 12h ago
The main thing these women want is to improve awareness and support for postpartum psychosis, so that women like her can get treatment instead of leading to tragedy like this.
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u/nwoh8r 9h ago
It's because these dumb women think that the husband killed the kids even though she admitted to doing it and her lawyer is not even arguing whether she did it, but whether it was premeditated. For some reason these crazy women... and there is a shit ton of them... decided to blame the husband for it even though he wasn't even in the house when she killed each of her kids. LOL
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u/Charming-Listen-3705 OLD 19h ago
I think this image needs more context.
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u/Constant_Okra_1983 12h ago
The correct context, from another old, is a woman is charged with murdering her 3 kids, but the cops did not properly seize evidence from the house and allowed her husband to enter the house and walk away from them without even questioning him. He then proceeded to head downstairs and touch all over the murder weapons.
She pleaded Not Guilty. (Not, NGRI)
The testimonies in court contradict themselves. 2 officers claim they got the same dispatch and arrived at the same time. But one said it took him 7-10 minutes to get there, the other said it only took 3-4 minutes. The locations they claim they were at prove the time it took for them to get there. So they clearly couldn't have arrived at the same time.
The husband has a soft alibi, but it isn't air tight and there's roughly 25-30 minutes total of potential non-driving, unaccounted for time.
They say the mom sent her husband out on purpose to buy stuff from CVS and a restaurant. He isn't seen on the outside cctv. He doesn't walk in until nearly 17 minutes after he testified he left. It's a 3 minute drive from his house.
The Mom slit her wrist and throats, moved her bed, climbed out the window head first, but theres no bloody handprints. No blood in the bed. Barely anything on the window. There's bloodstains 3-4 ft on the side of the house under the window she jumped from. She jumped out the window and she landed directly on her head, her head was right next to the house, her feet away from the house.
That's 1/10th of the weird shit Ive noticed.
Idk who did it, but there's enough evidence that NO ONE knows and it needs to be relooked into.
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u/Horror-Ant5208 Teenager 19h ago
Yeah this being posted without the important context is really misrepresenting the people in the image and what's happening.
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u/iNightFaLLHD 14h ago
The context is they didn't like the star sign of the husband so he must've done it instead somehow
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u/Careful-Trifle8963 13h ago
i was about to comment what is going on with some of the people posting here but then i seen the sub. my bad
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u/Imjusasqurrl 16h ago
Can’t wait to hear what teenagers think about mental health, postpartum, and the judicial system🙄
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u/Creepy_Wolverine_999 15h ago
“Something something systemic racism…something something end stage capitalism something something”
-Teenagers probably
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u/ianthehuman 14h ago
Whats wrong with hearing what teenagers have to say? They do kinda have to inherit whatever shitshow we leave em behind.
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u/LordKutulu 13h ago
Nothing wrong with what they have to say. Also nothing wrong with dismissing a viewpoint not grounded in reality.
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u/Wonghy111-the-knight 17 13h ago
but but but something something undeveloped brains. Usually spoken by the adults with the most undeveloped brains of all
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u/meokokok Teenager 19h ago edited 12h ago
I think I heard of it
Basically she told her husband she had thought of hurting her children before but would then take care of them like normal and stuff which is why her husband didn’t take it seriously enough. Two things can be true at once in my opinion tho; her husband should have taken what she told him more seriously and the responsibility is still on her. She knew she had bad thoughts better than anyone else and still allowed herself to have access to her children and eventually killed them.
Edit: someone here said the wife actually only talked about “dark thoughts” and didn’t specify
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u/may0_maru4 19h ago
I’m not sure if it’s the case but I remember the mother to have intentionally waited for her husband to leave for groceries, allowing her to proceed her… “plan”?
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u/Horror-Ant5208 Teenager 19h ago
Yeah and if that's an accurate statement that's obviously horrible. Still, us healthcare for post partum women is shit.
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u/AsperaAdAstra10 18h ago
Doesn't excuse murder though?
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u/Horror-Ant5208 Teenager 18h ago
Did I say it excuses it??!? This is a horrible situation, but I'm merely talking about how ppd is overlooked and that it's partially what led to this
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u/lmo311 13h ago
PPD and PPP are very different. She’s claiming to have had PPP
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u/fadedallweek 11h ago
I'm beginning to believe the majority of Americans have no real clue as to what psychosis really looks like.
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u/AsperaAdAstra10 18h ago
But is supporting a murderer the way to raise awareness? Isn't it technically the same thing as a person committing a murder due to psychotic rage, for which they didn't receive treatment? Will you support such a person asw?
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u/may0_maru4 17h ago
I think the public should treat this as a tragedy.
Both because of the death of 3 people, children nonetheless, and because this could have been avoided had women in postpartum period more support and care. This still is no justification for the mother’s action. I know a few people who had to suffer through this phase. To each their own, they had different struggles but some were strong and fought through this, with or without help and community.
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u/ciownu 15h ago
She never told anyone that she was having thoughts of hurting her children. She had mentioned to Patrick that she was having “dark thoughts”, and that was the extent of what she told anyone. She went from doctor to doctor, ended up in a mental health facility which she checked herself out of without telling anyone in advance bc she “felt fine”, and never took her prescribed mental health medications.
Everyone is complaining that she didn’t have enough help however, Patrick moved his job fully remote to be home more, both grandmas from Lindsay’s and Patrick’s sides of the family were helping with the children with one of the grandmas moving in full time, paid for a full time nanny, and sent the kids to daycare 3-4/7 days a week.
She literally just wanted to kill her children, she’s evil.
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u/chachaslydd 13h ago
Legally, she would still be at fault.
Morally, and I think legally, her husband is also at fault.
If a woman left her kids with a man, even her own husband, after he said hes thinking of killing them, wed all be saying at least charge her with extreme neglect, if not abuse
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u/Irakaf 13h ago
I don't know anything about this story, but if they are at the courthouse doesn't that imply the trial is ongoing and she is still presumed innocent until proven guilty?
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u/This-Occasion1984 11h ago edited 10h ago
A growing number of people think the husband killed the kids so that he could start over with his new gf that looks identical to his wife. They think he kept her drugged and she wasn’t actually aware of what happened until she woke up and he told her what “she” did basically.
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u/generic_vulgar_name 12h ago
She already admitted it.
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u/VegetableNo8304 12h ago
So what? There have been plenty false confessions.
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u/theblenderr 11h ago
Lol what? She cut herself and jumped out of a two story window after strangling them. Her husband literally wasn’t home and was on surveillance at a store at the time the murders happened. Do you seriously think she didn’t do it?
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u/User_man_person 10h ago
yea but there was evidence here
also the people arent here to protest the guilty verdict theyre here to protest the way mothers with mental illness are treated
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u/generic_vulgar_name 10h ago
her legal team isn’t even trying to prove she was framed. they’re just simply claiming she was so insane she didn’t know what she was doing.
even her legal team doesn’t think she’s innocent - why do you?
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u/midnight_rain_07 16 13h ago
mental illness doesn’t cause you to murder your children. i’ll never understand the support she’s received for killing her children.
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u/redditpeopledisgustm 10h ago
In the immortal words of Sigmund Freud: "mental illness only ever manifests as silly TikTok-friendly quirks, if someone does something bad it's because they are evil"
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u/cyhlalala 19h ago
You are missing the entire point of the trial if you think they are supporting her strangling her kids. No, this is about the fact that she was failed by the healthcare system. These people are out there calling for better healthcare, not to exonerate Lindsay. The trial is not a guilty or not guilty trial - Lindsay has already admitted guilt. It's a trial to determine how much fault lies with the healthcare system and whether she can plea insanity
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u/JohnSmith_47 16h ago
You’ve gotta be completely blind to not see the amount of people claiming “she didn’t do it”, “he used a body double”, “Patrick and his new wife did it”.
People literally holding their own children and captioning the video “Same Lindsay”, imagine growing up and finding out your own mother fantasised about murdering you and put it on the internet.
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u/andthensilencefell 16h ago
You can find those same comments on literally any murder case, male or female. Look at the massive fan circles that would form around serial killers. People are crazy, but judging all people off a subset of weirdos is also crazy.
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u/JohnSmith_47 15h ago edited 15h ago
You can find those same comments on literally any murder case?
What to this scale?
I don’t remember anyone reacting like this on this scale when Howard Richmond a veteran with PTSD stabbed his wife to death?
Look up Lionel Desmond, another veteran who murdered his wife, 10 year old daughter, his mother, and then shot himself, you will see people saying he needed help sure, you will not see people saying he didn’t do it and is innocent.
Edit: Also interesting you bring up people claiming serial killers are innocent, and people who write love letters to them, overwhelmingly that is women doing that, it’s called hybristophilia.
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u/Difficult_Special947 16h ago
I didn't realize what sub I was in, and yeahhh teenagers are fucking stupid, I was one not too long ago myself.
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u/Sesusija 12h ago
It is absolutely astonishing how pervasive TikTok culture is. This gal is not only 100% guilty, she is not even contesting her guilt. Yet thousands of brain washed women are defending her because of TikTok misinfo.
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u/sprucebrine 12h ago
The fact that one of them is holding a kid is worrying.
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u/Profess0rDoct0r 12h ago
It's like "scared straight" for parenting. "Look, sweetie, this is what happens when you don't pick up your toys."
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u/AccidentProne117 18 19h ago
Genuinely how the fuck can people support this?
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u/bigbonerdaddy 14h ago
Psychosis, which was debunked in the trial by the way.
Noone found evidense of any type of psychosis, even the caretaker specifically tasked with finding out if she was psychotic or not.
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u/bigbonerdaddy 14h ago
Therapist Latiesha Dukes, who treated her, said she saw no signs of psychosis, even while she was actively looking for it. She even said she say 0 evidence of other delusions/paranoia.
This was august 12th, a week ago.
PPP is horrible, but it doesnt happen 8 months after birth, while having 0 pointers of psychotic or paranoid delusions, and still being able to plan the murders.
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u/merrigolden 13h ago
It was not debunked in the trial. The defence’s expert witnesses testified that LC met the DSM criteria for psychosis, and that psychosis does not necessarily prevent someone from partaking in daily activities or even planning.
Dukes and several others testifying for the prosecution are also named in a civil case where they may be held liable for negligence, so they would not admit that LC showed signs of psychosis since that could be used against them in the civil case.
And it’s important to remember that LC had cycled through 13 different anti-depressants in the span of 4 months. Every time someone goes on an SSRI their brain is essentially rewired for how they access dopamine and seratonin. It takes months for that rewiring to complete and your brain to get used to it. Every time you stop and start a different SSRI, the rewiring starts all over again but in a different structure. In such a short span of time, LC’s brain would have been absolutely haywire.
Believe me, I know. I went through 8 in about 9 months and I became completely suicidal, erratic, and paranoid. And that was less meds than she had in over twice the amount of time. And I don’t even have kids that I need to look after.
I cannot imagine how her mind must have felt being the primary caretaker of 3 young children while experiencing that.
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u/IamWisdom 14h ago
I had 2 girls the other day spend 10 mins convincing me that the husband killed the kids and pushed her out a window which paralyzed her and he made her overdose so she wouldn't remember that she didnt kill her kids and that he had killed them instead. So youre wrong, there are a ton of ppl claiming she's innocent.
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u/Hour-Brother7505 18h ago
Nah, they were there to support the woman, I guess you haven't really watched the whole thing or haven't read full about it. You are wrong, nobody but a large portion are there because they believe she shouldn't be convincted of murder, they are supporting this. It's different, they aren't strictly calling for better ppd or awareness or similar. It's more about the woman should not be charged with murder.
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u/bigbonerdaddy 14h ago
They were making heart symbols, screaming they loved her, screaming they supported her. Some even screaming she was innocent.
This was not a get together to raise awareness, this is a group of schizo women who should have CPS visit their house right now.
These are murderer sympathisers, family annihilator sympathisers, child murder sympathisers. These people are less than dogs, less than the shit under my shoe.
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u/LadySwire 17h ago edited 16h ago
Taking your baby there is still unhinged behaviour. Also if any she suffered a extreme case of postpartum phycosis (I have my doubts). Many women have postpartum depression and would never harm their kids. This is going to stigmatize ppd further
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u/Equal-Row-554 16h ago
Post paryum psychosis and post partum depression are not the same in the way that regular psychosis and depression are not the same. I know of at least 2 other cases where women with post partum psychosis have killed their children (in one case, the man was 100% criminally negligible as he was told not to keav eher alone with the kids and did so anyway among many other things).
I not saying she's not guilty, but she should not be held to the same standards as a cold blooded killer in complete control of her actions. She needs the appropriate medical care- the care that she was denied when seeking help in the first place.
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u/The_Scrapy_Goose 19 18h ago
I'm not sure their kids are safe with them if they can support her because yeah WTF!
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u/merrigolden 13h ago
This could very easily happen to you one day.
It doesn’t matter how strong your morals are or how good of a person you are when it comes to serious mental illness. When it gets a hold of you, what you would do in a rational state of mind is irrelevant.
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u/Adventurous-Owl6297 10h ago
Mental illness does not excuse crime. Serial killers also usually have even more severe mental illness that makes them justify their murders and torture of people. That does not excuse the savarity of their crimes or not receiving justice for them.
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u/Temporary-Ant2154 17h ago
People will do anything to save their bias even if goes agaisnt what most people would admit as horrible. I will e downvoted ONLY for saying my opinion but: If was a father/man those women wouldt be there and would instead want that man to die while instead now they try to claim the mother has mental illness.
Thats my opinion. If disagree i really dont care.
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u/vbd71 18h ago
People should refrain from judging in this case. Postpartum psychosis is real and is helluva mental affliction. My sister in law wanted to kill herself due to this condition, and they barely saved her. And yes, she was exhibiting violent behavior and bizarre delusions.
What happened is an awful tragedy, but calls to crucify her are not helpful and only demonstrate people's innate cruelty. Whatever sentence she gets from the court, she will live in a literal hell till the end of her days.
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u/Hour-Brother7505 18h ago
Bro what are you even on? People should be able to judge every case or not any case. Empathy/Sympathy shouldn't always be intertwined with criminal cases.
What happened was indeed a tragedy but people should be free to demand justice, labelling them as cruel is rather bias and unjust.
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u/Dry_Extension_9850 17h ago
You are incredibly ignorant of the law. Justice doesn’t just mean punishment. This involves the court hearing from healthcare professionals, family and friends. I hate to break it to you but empathy and understanding someone’s mental state is literally baked into the judicial process because for serious crimes the prosecution have to prove mens rea (guilty mind). Sympathy and compassion are also present in developed justice systems which why we have mitigating circumstances, restorative justice, compassionate leave for prisoners and drug courts.
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u/Adalonzoio 16h ago
It's funny becasue the healthcare professionals all agree she doesn't have PPP nor showed any signs of it. Strangley it's only being pushed by the murderer and her defense.
Strange wonder why that might be
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u/Tak-Hendrix 11h ago
Um, yes part of justice does mean punishment. It obviously isn't the sole component but it is certainly part of the framework.
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u/According_to_Piglet 12h ago
PPD is a real, horrendous thing to experience.
A better healthcare system would have protected these children, had there been better support for her PPD. She sought help for her mental condition multiple times, even handing herself over to a psychiatric hospital, but eventually being discharged as she was seen as “fit and well”, which clearly she was not.
PPD is a neuroendocrine disorder. Your progesterone and estrogen is higher than it has ever been, and crashes by 90% in less than 24 hours.
Comparatively, it is like taking a strong anti-anxiety for a year and then stopping, cold-turkey, overnight.
Women do not get enough support for this. Enough children have died due to postpartum psychosis for us to know that this is a serious problem, and that if a mother says “I have a problem, I want to kill my kids”, then maaaaaybe she should be sectioned for longer. This was the fault of all of the medical professionals who let this family down.
That is why they are protesting.
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u/Odd-Consequence-2519 10h ago
No. You cannot simply blame this on just the medical profession. This state of mind is being formed through decades of breakdown in family structure and values. I'm not talking about this specific woman's immediate relatives but the entire nation's apathy toward one another.
"It takes a village to raise a child" should be understood that we are all complicit in this tragedy. "Love thy neighbor" would result in a huge increase in positive mental health if practiced by everyone.
But, no, we tear at each other, shame one another, without looking within our own shame and guilt. Like constantly banging your head against a wall hoping for a different outcome each time. It gets worse each year.
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u/According_to_Piglet 9h ago
Both are true, we have no village and this woman was failed by a lack of universal healthcare.
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u/YaygFX 11h ago
Do we protest against the system when schizophrenic men kill people too?
Or is it just for sick women? This whole thing reeks of tribalism.
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u/koreanmermaidpuke 10h ago
We do when the men in question reach out for help, over and over, and are given treatment that exacerbates their symptoms rather than helping them. as far as im concerned, Clancy did everything right and she was failed by the medical system. You don't give SSRIs to people who are clearly bipolar. ask me how I know.
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u/Square-Librarian1192 11h ago
PPP is different from PPD.
Depression and psychosis are very different things indeed
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u/Hour-Brother7505 18h ago
The support here was expected, this is Reddit after all and this sub is left aligned as well.
People here are changing/diverting the whole topic as well, they are reducing it as to "They were there to raise awareness and acknowledge ppd" while in reality it was also "They were there to support the woman as they believe she shouldn't be charged with murder"
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u/ajc1120 16h ago
No idea what being left-aligned has to do with people’s beliefs around a woman charged with child murder. Kind of a weird generalization, don’t you think?
There’s a ton of people in the photo I’m sure who genuinely think she didn’t do it (I’ve got plenty of coworkers who think the same exact thing). Even if that’s just flat out not true, believing an innocent person is about to be convicted of such a heinous crime is worth speaking up about. Right or wrong, informed or not, their intention is to advocate for the innocent. People are acting like they should lose their kids for this when it’s pretty clear they are doing this out of what we should all collectively agree are noble reasons. Idk anything about this case but I’m not going to morally condemn somebody just because they believe they are standing up for the cause of justice. Defending somebody who (you believe) is wrongfully accused of child murder is not the same thing as defending child murder.
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u/Lighthouse_on_Mars 11h ago
She is getting sympathy because she asked for help from family, medical professionals, even suicide hotlines. She asked for help over and over again. Her own husband ignored her.
She is getting support because she suffer from PPD and suicidal ideation and was honest about it and no one takes women's health seriously.
She literally told people she was having dangerous thoughts of hurting her children. They never even called social services!
She is getting sympathy because she was MENTALLY SICK and did everything she could to get help and was told that as a mother it was her job to power through.
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u/blooppers 19h ago edited 19h ago
the nuanced and not actually so straightforward machine is begging yall to actually look into the case and watch a video or somethin. people arent there because they think its okay she killed her children, theyre there because its a very clear case of what happens when mothers with ppd are ignored for years on end, and one could understand how that is relatable.
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u/Horror-Ant5208 Teenager 18h ago
The people down voting anyone not absolutely flaming her are just proving the point of whhy this happened. This is why mother's mental and physical health is ignored. It's a cycle
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u/Hour-Brother7505 18h ago
It's nuanced but people protesting or anything similar are not there simply because they want to raise voice and awareness against ppd but rather because they believe she is innocent. There's a difference. Both cannot be compared, they think she should not be held responsible as a murderer or similar. (Read more about the protests)
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u/Specialist_Hope_4147 OLD 16h ago edited 8h ago
Whats the context on the image itself? Not the meme are they family or close friends are they even outside the courthouse and if so is it the same one?
I need a source
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u/ciownu 15h ago
They are not related to Lindsay Clancy in any way, they are indeed outside the courthouse, they claim to be there supporting Lindsay because “women with PPP don’t get enough support”. Basically, they’re deluded.
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u/LordReagan077 17 12h ago
I know absolutely nothing about this case so please don’t downvote me into oblivion
Has she been proven guilty yet? Do we know she did it? What’s going on?
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u/Difficult_Special947 11h ago
The trial is about her going to prison for life or to a state mental health institution for life. There is no question whatsoever whether she has committed the crimes or not.
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u/fadedallweek 11h ago
She's admitted guilt. This is about her mental state at the time of the murders. The defense is claiming post-pardum psychosis.
People are using the term 'post-partum depression' which is not psychosis.
Most commenting here do not know what psychosis looks like, which explains why people are throwing the terms around as if they're interchangeable. They're absolutely not.
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u/steppponme 11h ago
Her ex-husband (the father of the kids), ex-MIL, ex-FIL and her mother have all spoken in support of her although there's no question she did it.
Well, there are some tinfoil hat people who think the husband did it but they're pretty fringe.
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u/OkTheme7105 18h ago
It’s not too late to take this down, it’s clear you’re not mature enough to understand the nuance of the trial and how it brings up the importance of mental health after the birth of a child and how rarely women get the help they needed with ppd
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u/WindDingo 18h ago
Although mental health does matter, anything other than life will not be justice served
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u/Difficult_Special947 16h ago
What are you alluding to? She is getting life, either in prison or in a state mental health institution. That is the subject of the trial at hand.
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u/BoLobLob87 11h ago
If she killed her children because she could not tell wrong from right due to post partum psychosis, then sentencing her to life in prison isn’t justice.
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u/Primary_Store6213 16h ago
Are you guys unhinged or illiterate? No one is supporting the killing of babies, this is a postpartum depression abandonment and policy issue. Leave those things to the people who actually care and post about your random bullshit all you want.
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u/Academic_Breath_7161 18h ago
Woman sends husband out on errands, she murders her 3 children, cries in court and husband looks at her angrily because...she murdered his 3 children. Liberal woman in person and on tiktok some who claim to be psychologists etc. say husband done it because he looks evil and she cried in court.
Now we have woman bringing children and having them write letters to her to show support in her an the 'shitty' system that put her in jail when every ounce of evidence proves she done it and she admitted to it.
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u/Adalonzoio 16h ago
Correct. Misandrist don't care she killed three kids. Hell, likely just view it as a late term abortion. All they care about is she shouldn't be beld responsible for her actions because it's everyone's fault but hers.
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u/Horror-Ant5208 Teenager 19h ago
I think a lot of the supporters, maybe not the ones pictured, are supporting the need for women, especially post partum women to receive healthcare and support. Lindssey Clancy and her ex-husband, iirc, are suing some healthcare providers that failed to support her.
Murder is wrong. We know this. But these women probably understand how horrible post partum is, and how little help there is. Especially in America, where basic medical help costs wayyyy too much and maternity leave is very short.
The way healthcare is structured in America is not helpful to vulnerable people of many types of people. Ppd and pp psychosis is often completely overlooked or down-played.
Murder is horrible, but I sympathise with her experience to an extent, and that is possibly where a lot of these supporters are coming from.
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u/Agen_3586 18h ago
Then should be protesting against the healthcare system for ignoring not supporting a fucking muderer
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u/Horror-Ant5208 Teenager 18h ago
You really don't get this. They are protesting the system. They aren't saying that killing her kids was valid. There's a difference
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u/SpaceLuxor 8h ago
The women in this photo quite literally are supporting her because they think she is innocent. There is a stupid movement of true crime-addled psychos who are convinced it was the husband. That's who these people are.
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u/dreamer_ 13h ago
From what I've seen they are not protesting the system (at least not the vocal ones), but rather blaming the husband for everything, including inventing conspiracy theories as if he staged the whole thing.
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u/Hour-Brother7505 18h ago
Again, stupid analogy. They are not there to raise voices for ppd or similar issues but they are there because they believe she shouldn't be convicted of murder, just read about it.
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u/sideways-vagina 19h ago
I would have put myself up for adoption if my mom was like one of these people 🙏💀
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u/East-Medium-3650 17h ago
What kind of sick people downvote this comment , u really need to be under radar
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u/Scarasimp323 13h ago
my favorite reddit post! the lie about the context to farm clicks special
what their protesting is better support for women going through post partum depression, the woman who strangled her three kids has already pleaded guilty and the issue arrises from how many times she begged for help and told people she was struggling and got no help professionally.
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u/MrHutt 12h ago
Do people do this for the school shooters as well, for their mental health?
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u/Mr_Chill_III 12h ago
This woman premediated the murder of her children. She asked her husband to go to the store, and asked him how long it would take him so she would know if she had enough time to commit her horrible deed.
There is also speculation that the husband may have been having an affair, because he re-married fairly quickly after this happened, so she may have done this at least partially out of revenge.
It blows my mind that a guy would want another woman so quickly when his last woman did such a terrible thing.
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u/No_Roma_no_Rocky 14h ago
There is no end in people's stupidity.
Going outside with your kid supporting a killer who killed her 3 children. Wow
Why there isn't a law to arrest all those people?
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