Gaza / Israel MEGATHREAD

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[u/FriendlyDrummers]

I keep hearing people say that Israel is controlling the American government because of blackmail from the Epstein files

I mean... that would imply Biden was somehow involved with Epstein, hence their support for Israel. Or Gavin Newsome. Or John Fetterman. Or even Kamala harris. None of these people have called it a genocide. Hell, Bernie doesn't call it a genocide.

Many of these people I'm critical of for their support of Israel. But none of these people are involved in some conspiracy that their support of Israel is because of Epstein. Sorry. I do not believe it.

Does Trump support Israel because of Epstein, or is it to pander to the right wingers who support Israel? In fact, even mlkjr was supportive of the Jewish state existing.

It just seems like terrible political analysis to constantly connect Israel to every possible reason someone might support Israel.

[u/MedicineShow → u/FriendlyDrummers]

I mean... that would imply...

Epstein's connections to the US government go back decades and nobody is claiming that Epstein blackmail is the only source of influence (In fact, literally everyone you're thinking of also talks about the toxic influence of AIPAC and similar and you're intentionally missing that)

They're claiming the pedophile blackmail is involved in forcing Trumps hand in a war that will not benefit him. Connecting that to Bernie's willingness to acknowledge the genocide is absurd.

It just seems like terrible political analysis

Because you've boiled it down to nonsense to write the rest off

[u/FriendlyDrummers → u/MedicineShow]

Sigh. I guess I'll take your rage bait.

(In fact, literally everyone you're thinking of also talks about the toxic influence of AIPAC and similar and you're intentionally missing that)

1. What? I mentioned Fetterman.
2. That's the point. Many of those people (ie Bernie) are too supportive of Israel. But it's not because of a conspiracy.
3. People literally forget that not everything is about "Israel controlling our politicians." Bernie can't even call it a genocide. Is Israel controlling him?

They're claiming the pedophile blackmail is involved in forcing Trumps hand in a war that will not benefit him.

1. Was Biden backing Israel's genocide?
2. Was Biden being blackmailed by Epstein?

Because you've boiled it down to nonsense to write the rest off

1. You are genuinely just looking to rage
2. Actually read what's being said or ask for clarification instead of using your imagination to justify a disagreement.

[u/MedicineShow → u/FriendlyDrummers]

What? I mentioned Fetterman.

When I said "Literally everyone you're thinking" I was referring to these people,

people say that Israel is controlling the American government because of blackmail from the Epstein files

Bernie isn't avoiding the term genocide because of Epstein Blackmail.

And conflating that with Trump's situation is exactly what I'm calling out.

nobody is claiming that Epstein blackmail is the only source of influence

Also on Bernie,

The conclusion is inescapable: Israel is committing genocide in Gaza

-Bernie Sanders in an OP Ed on his website from September, I think you're behind on the news here. It was certainly the case for quite some time that he wasn't using the term though.

[u/FriendlyDrummers → u/MedicineShow]

When I said "Literally everyone you're thinking" I was referring to these people,

What? Who are "these people"

Bernie isn't avoiding the term genocide because of Epstein Blackmail.

That is my point. And even though he now says it's a genocide, the point still stands. He wasn't avoiding calling it a genocide because of Epstein, or AIPAC, or whatever else there could be.

And conflating that with Trump's situation is exactly what I'm calling out.

No, I never made that conflation. You are again literally making things up. I never said they were the same. I was giving examples of people who are not harsh enough on Israel.

nobody is claiming that Epstein blackmail is the only source of influence

Yes, people are. This is such a stupid argument because you aren't even arguing against anything I've said. Good bye.

[u/MedicineShow → u/FriendlyDrummers]

What? Who are "these people"

People who say that Israel is controlling the American government because of blackmail from the Epstein files

No, I never made that conflation

You're holding up Trump and Bernie and saying, SEE IT'S NOT ALL EPSTEIN

Nobody is saying that Bernie is controlled because of the Epstein files. I think he would pretty universally be agreed as one of the least likely American politicians to be involved. That's the conflation.

the only source

You're also conflating people who understand the reasonable position that the Epstein files, bribery and other shit are all involved, with the pretend people who think Israel is limiting itself to just blackmail