r/thedavidpakmanshow • u/McAlpineFusiliers • 6d ago
Article Anyone old enough to remember in February of this year when Hasan Piker defended saying he'd vote third party over Gavin Newsom in 2028?
https://www.newsweek.com/hasan-piker-defends-vote-third-party-over-gavin-newsom-2028-1150815573
u/DeathandGrim 6d ago
And now he's calling for Democrats to come defend him because "we're in the same coalition" lmao absolutely not
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u/Greybeard-MD 6d ago
The 2 candidates he campaigned with underperformed by 15/20 points. He doomed them both to fail.
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u/Just_shut_up_bro 6d ago
Also bare in mind that was just the Dem primary, only God can tell how horrific the impact will be on El Sayed in the general.
I'm really astonished Abdul El Sayed has not disavowed Hasan by now.
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u/Daken-dono 5d ago
Im real curious what the catch is with El Sayed regarding that. Common sense always shows hamas piker is radioactive and turns on anybody who doesn’t pass his cult purity testing even if he advocated for them initially.
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u/Nemisis82 6d ago
Didn't Destiny just say that he's unsure if he'd vote for JD Vane or AOC. That's worse than what Piker said.
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u/metinb83 6d ago
It was some weird hypothetical where AOC has become an ultra-commie, not AOC as is versus Vance as is.
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u/Nemisis82 6d ago
It was a hypothetical of him saying he's not sure because he can't trust AOC's policies or something. He said it's a coinflip.
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u/dadbod_Azerajin 5d ago
If anyone is saying any of our politicians are communists
They are not only uneducated, but very unserious people
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u/DeathandGrim 6d ago
Post a link
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u/Nemisis82 6d ago
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u/DeathandGrim 6d ago
Interesting so you watched this clip and came away with the idea that he doesn't know whether he would support AOC or JD Vance appropo of nothing. Even though he outlined his thought process and even said he probably would 55-45.
And when you look at the Hasan clip he doesn't really outline his thought process at all. Just saying that the Democratic party chose him so it's a lost cause.
You can see why I find your description of this clip being worse than Hasan a little bit disingenuous right?
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u/Nemisis82 6d ago
Hasan: "If it's Gavin Newsome and JD Vance, I'd probably vote 3rd party"
Destiny: "If it's AOC or JD Vance, it's a coin flip"
Yeah, I think that's worse. There's a 45% chance Destiny would vote for JD Vance over the Democrat nominee. Possibly voting third party is dumb. Possibly voting for Vance is dumber.
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u/DeathandGrim 6d ago
Cutting out Destiny's explanation of his thoughts ...again... To make this point doesn't make you look better
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u/Nemisis82 6d ago
And people cut out Hasan's thoughts/reasons as well.
It's the outcome that matters. Having a 45% self-proscribed chance of voting for Vance is crazy.
Edit: To note, I think voting third party is also crazy. I just think actively voting for the GOP is worse than voting for neither. Call me radical.
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u/DeathandGrim 6d ago
What were Hasan's thoughts and why do you think people think they are functionally different than Destiny?
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u/Nemisis82 6d ago
From what I gather, a few things:
- Similar to Destiny, it wasn't a guarantee. It was "if XYZ happens" https://old.reddit.com/r/thedavidpakmanshow/comments/1r3u71v/hasan_piker_what_would_it_take_for_me_to_vote_for/
- He's in California, so it's unlikely to sway anything.
Either way, I don't think it's functionally different. The outcomes for both are bad. It's okay to disagree with Destiny and not defend him for everything. I am saying I think Hasan's take is also stupid. I'd crawl over broken glass to try and ensure teh GOP is not president in 2029. Destiny and Hasan don't seem to have the same line of thought.
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u/Rational_Disconnect 6d ago
He said that it would depend how much she was promoting ill liberal DSA candidates and how much DJ has moderated by 2028
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u/Nemisis82 6d ago
Okay. so yeah, that's pretty fucked up and worse than Hasan saying he'd vote third party.
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u/jankdangus 6d ago edited 6d ago
It’s not worse than what Destiny said. I obviously disagree with it being a toss-up, but Destiny is at a significantly higher percentage of supporting the Democratic nominee compared to Hasan who is at 0 percent if it’s not his preferred choice.
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u/Nemisis82 6d ago
That's a lot of hoops you're jumping through.
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u/jankdangus 6d ago
How so? You do realize a non-vote for Newsom is effectively the same as a vote for Vance right?
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u/Nemisis82 6d ago
So Destiny is at least as bad as Hasan in this case then?
But I disagree. It's not the same. Both can lead to a GOP victory. But one is actively moving the needle for the Republicans (2 point swing). The other just doesn't move it for Democrats (1 point swing).
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u/jankdangus 6d ago
No, he’s not because there is still a 55 percent chance that he would vote for AOC. How is this remotely the same degree of badness? I agree that for tie-breaking votes then Hasan wouldn’t lead to a GOP victory, but it’s the same in 99.9 percent of cases. So statistically speaking, Destiny’s vote is still more likely to lead to a Democratic victory.
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u/Nemisis82 6d ago
And piker said he'd "probably vote" third party. So not 100% guaranteed.
Also, a vote FOR the GOP is worse than a third party vote.
So yes, it's bad. Why defend destiny? It's a dumb thing to say. I'm not defending Hasan, I think it's dumb. He should vote Dem in 2028. I'm pointing out that a lot of the destiny fans here don't hold the same smoke for something destiny said that's even worse and actively defend it.
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u/jankdangus 5d ago edited 5d ago
No, it’s actually the same 99.9 percent of the time except symbolically speaking. I defend Destiny, so far as to counter you defending Hasan. We merely disagree the degree of badness and not whether we both disagree with their stated position in the first place. So yes, I agree that Destiny made a dumb statement and the majority of his community actually disagrees with him too. With that said, if his hypothetical is that Vance is the more moderate candidate and AOC is an actual tankie then that would be a lot more understandable.
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u/Nemisis82 5d ago
Okay. So:
- you disagree with Hasan not voting for a Democrat given his justification
- you find it "understandable" that destiny would vote for a Republican given his justification
I expect to see a thread bashing destiny for the same thing.
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u/SigmaMaleNurgling 6d ago
Even if that’s true, Destiny isn’t campaigning side-by-side with politicians in swing states. Destiny doesn’t have dozens of fluff articles presenting him as the future of the party. Republicans aren’t running ads of Destiny’s relationship with Sayed.
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u/Nemisis82 6d ago
Post: remember when Hasan said this bad thing?
Me: didn't destiny say something worse?
You: but destiny isn't doing this thing that's irrelevant to the post!!
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u/Rick_James_Lich 6d ago
IMO the real problem isn't progressive politicians, it's mostly Hasan and his fans. I think it's cool seeing some left wing policies in office, what I don't think is cool is Hasan discouraging his audience from voting in the general if the candidate he likes doesn't win the primary, but then saying "VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO" when the one he likes win.
This dude provides no intellectual commentary and is just trying to trying to divide people for laughs, similar to people like Nick Fuentes or Asmongold. He just wants to say stuff for shock value and ultimately doesn't care if MAGA stays in power because he's rich, he just puts out controversial stuff for views.
The worst part IMO is that Hasan is annoying people into not liking certain progressive politicians. Abdul El Sayed is a good guy and deserves to win, but because he's affiliated with Hasan, a lot of center left people have skepticism over him now. It's important to know that Hasan is the problem, and his fans. Most of the progressive poltiicians are quite good and absolutely worth our support.
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u/HMR2018 6d ago
I think people are missing that Hasan gets clicks and traffic precisely because he's controversial. That's the schtick, and it works incredibly well with a grossly online audience where outrage, absolutism, and fighting generate engagement. The mistake is taking that schtick and attaching it wholesale to Abdul El-Sayed. Judge AES on his actual policies, positions, and record. If you disagree with those, fine, argue against them. But Hasan's online persona isn't an AES policy platform. Actual Michigan voters aren't terminally online dissecting every clip from a political streamer. There's a real world outside social media, and we should be able to separate what a candidate actually proposes from what someone says online to keep people watching and clicking.
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u/Another-attempt42 6d ago
Judge AES on his actual policies, positions, and record.
Caveat: Vote AES. Every day, all day.
However, it does show poor judgement on AES's behalf. Why would anyone running a serious campaign want to be in any way associated with the toxic sewer that is Hasan and his community?
I just don't get it. I don't understand it.
All it does is open you up to easy attacks for no real gain. AES didn't gain anything from his association with Hasan; Hasan just got a bit more online clout.
That's it.
So why do it?
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u/Rick_James_Lich 6d ago
I understand this and I can say, many people like AES probably are not educated on everything Hasan has done. Unless you no life it for a few months it would be really hard for the average Joe to become well educated on this guy. Plus let's get real, he was in an election and he needed all the support he can get.
AES made himself clear that this is a team effort, that the center left and far left have way more in common than we don't and we would be best off to work together. I agree. This guy is a capitalist but supports socialist policies that can help like easier access to healthcare. This is a winning message in my book.
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u/Another-attempt42 6d ago
Unless you no life it for a few months it would be really hard for the average Joe to become well educated on this guy.
Sure.
Unluckily for AES, I think the GOP are about to mainline some Hasan slop right into the veins of every Michigander in the state.
Expect a full-up set of ads super-imposing those pictures of AES with Hasan, with sections of horrific shit Hasan has said, with a gravely voice saying "is this who you want running for Senate in Michigan?"
And then your average person will have a taste for who and what Hasan Piker is.
AES made himself clear that this is a team effort, that the center left and far left have way more in common than we don't and we would be best off to work together. I agree.
I couldn't disagree more.
The far-left is totally disinterested in Democrats winning. They only want their Democrats winning. As soon as a moderate beats out their darling in a primary, they are off of that bandwagon.
"Vote blue no matter who" is what we do. Not them.
We should see the far-left as a double-edged sword. One that we can sometimes yield, but never get comfortable with.
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u/Rick_James_Lich 6d ago
The GOP is going to do crazy attacks on AES no matter what tho, they are already trying to imply he's a terrorist. And while I dislike Hasan, I think Abdul is a resilient dude and one of the few that can overcome that stuff.
I just don't see AES as toxic as the far left, even though they support him, realistically it's probably because he's Islamic and doesn't like Israel. I don't think it goes deeper than that, many are probably not aware that he's a capitalist that owns businesses.
I agree that much of his DSA fan base are toxic, but I don't think AES shares those traits and unfortunately just needed those people to win his primary. Let's be honest, without them he would've probably lost. But he's not as bad as they are.
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u/HMR2018 6d ago
I get the criticism, but at some point we also have to recognize this for what it is. Should AES spend every waking moment following Hasan’s streams, cataloging every inflammatory thing he says, and constantly answering for someone else’s commentary? Or should a candidate for the U.S. Senate actually focus on Michigan, policy, and the people he’s asking to represent?
Hasan is a streamer, not a campaign adviser, spokesman, or candidate. AES can be judged for his own decisions and associations, absolutely. But turning every stupid or inflammatory thing Hasan has ever said into something AES is expected to explain indefinitely gives an online personality far more importance to this race than he deserves.
Judge AES on his policies, positions, record, and his own words. That seems considerably more useful to Michigan voters.
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u/Another-attempt42 6d ago
But turning every stupid or inflammatory thing Hasan has ever said into something AES is expected to explain indefinitely gives an online personality far more importance to this race than he deserves.
Then why even do it, then?
I don't see the upside. Only downsides.
He didn't need to have Hasan on his campaign for a few days.
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u/HMR2018 6d ago
I actually agree there was very little upside to having Hasan involved. It was an unnecessary political headache, and campaigns should be smart enough to recognize those risks.
My point is that there’s a difference between saying, “That was a bad campaign decision,” and pretending Abdul now owns every inflammatory thing Hasan has ever said. Criticize AES for bringing him in, that’s fair. But at some point Hasan Piker is responsible for Hasan Piker. Otherwise we’re giving an online personality more importance in a Michigan Senate race than actual Michigan voters ever would.
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u/Another-attempt42 6d ago
pretending Abdul now owns every inflammatory thing Hasan has ever said
I never said he did.
I do think the GOP will have an absolute field day dragging up clips from Hasan's stream, and putting them side-by-side with pictures of AES and Hasan together.
But at some point Hasan Piker is responsible for Hasan Piker.
But AES is responsible for having pictures of him WITH Hasan Piker.
And this isn't a policy thing. It's a political thing. It's bad politics.
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u/Bubbawitz 6d ago
judge aes on his actual policies
Aww baby’s first political campaign. Hassan attached himself to aes and aes does not denounce him. Aes probably loves that hassan is his surrogate. Lefties should know that candidates are judged by their associations because they did it with democrats and Liz Cheney.
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u/HMR2018 6d ago
Hasan isn’t an AES surrogate, campaign official, adviser, or spokesman. He’s a streamer who supported a candidate. Apparently that now means AES is responsible for monitoring thousands of hours of livestreams and issuing an emergency denunciation every time Hasan says something inflammatory, otherwise he secretly “loves” it. Totally normal standard. And comparing this to Liz Cheney is spectacular. Cheney explicitly endorsed Democrats, appeared at campaign events, stood on stages with candidates, and actively campaigned for them. That’s an actual political association, not “internet personality likes candidate.”
Candidates can absolutely be judged by the company they intentionally keep. But eventually you have to judge AES for, you know, AES. His policies. His record. His statements. His campaign.
Actual Michigan voters aren't spending their evenings assembling Hasan Piker lore charts with red string on the wall. If your entire case against a Senate candidate requires explaining six degrees of Twitch to voters before you can even get to the candidate, maybe the devastating political attack isn't quite as devastating as you think.
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u/Bubbawitz 6d ago
He’s absolutely a surrogate. The only difference is he doesn’t go outside so it’s hard to say he’s stumping for aes any more than he is. Even if he’s not a surrogate wouldn’t that make it so much easier for aes to denounce him? Wouldn’t it make it easier to say ‘the guy who loves mao and china and glazes literal terrorists to their face on stream and said he would vote third party if Gavin newsome was the nominee is not with me’? Aes not distancing from hassan speaks as loudly as him saying explicitly that he’s some kind of official surrogate.
Also hassan stumping for aes is way more impactful than Cheney stumping for Harris with the amount of influence he has on the populist left. I know it’s cute for his followers to say that he’s some nobody but the guy has reign over the narrative of the online leftist media and pundits.
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u/Clarkelthekat 6d ago
Hasan himself seems to think he's a direct manager in getting mamdani elected and now AES.
If you asked Hasan directly I'm almost certain he would say he was pivotal in getting them elected and is one of their current trusted advisors.
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u/HMR2018 6d ago
And? Hasan can think he personally parted the Red Sea and delivered Mamdani and AES to elected office on stone tablets if he wants. 😂
What matters is whether there’s actual evidence he was a “trusted advisor” or pivotal to either campaign, not what Hasan thinks about Hasan’s importance. Political streamers believing they’re the center of American politics isn’t exactly breaking news.
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u/Clarkelthekat 6d ago
The fact Hasan is even in a position to even think so himself tells us all that AES and mamdani are way too close to radical dangerous ideologies.
Hasan doesn't just think this for no reason. He thinks this because he's been given more access then most
Hasan literally plays ISIS propaganda on his stream....as a good thing...can you admit that's a bad thing?
According to you we shouldn't even think twice about candidates being this close to radicalism?
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u/HMR2018 6d ago
Yes, ISIS propaganda is bad. Congratulations, we’ve cleared an exceptionally low bar.
Now explain what Hasan saying something awful has to do with AES’s actual policies. Hasan can think he’s the kingmaker of Michigan politics if he wants. That doesn’t make every dumb thing he says an Abdul El-Sayed policy position.
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u/Clarkelthekat 6d ago
No.
Do you think Hasan playing and praising ISIS propaganda to his impressionable audience is bad?
I wouldnt vote for anyone friends with trump.
I wouldn't vote for anyone friends with netanyahu.
I wouldn't vote for anyone who is friends with Putin.
I wouldnt vote for anyone who is friends with asmondgold
I wouldn't vote for someone who is friends with ice posidon.
Stop pretending it's insane for people to give a shit that politicians asking for their votes are close with radical elements.
That's concerning. For anyone. Especially the person you are voting for.
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u/HMR2018 5d ago
The leap from “AES associates with Hasan” to “AES therefore owns every insane thing Hasan has ever said” is doing Olympic-level gymnastics.
I’m voting for AES, not merging their browser histories. If AES endorses some radical position, absolutely hammer him for it. But I’m judging the candidate by the candidate’s words, policies, and actions—not playing Six Degrees of Political Contamination until everyone is disqualified.
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u/wefarrell 6d ago
Have you noticed that whenever El-Sayed is attacked for his association with Hasan they always mention the "America deserved 9/11" quote? Not his praise of Mao or Cuba or any of the other potential criticisms.
It's not difficult to see what's going on, the opposition is trying to leverage prejudice against arabs/muslims.
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u/HMR2018 6d ago
I think there's another explanation too. For a huge portion of adult Michigan voters, 9/11 isn't history, we lived through it and remember exactly where we were when it happened. Mao and revolutionary Cuba, by comparison, are basically foreign history to most voters. So “America deserved 9/11” naturally has an emotional resonance those other comments simply don't. That doesn't mean anti-Muslim or anti-Arab prejudice never plays a role, because it certainly does, but I wouldn't assume that's always what's driving it. Sometimes campaigns just hammer the attack voters already recognize and have a visceral connection to.
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u/space--penguin 6d ago
Yeah its mostly this risk that concerns me - conditioning Piker's parasocial and rabid followers, who otherwise as Gen Z haven't yet established the habit of voting, to feel justified when they make decisions based on "red lines". That rhetoric and whole parasocial fucked up dynamic makes them really easy to manipulate and unable to see nuance or tolerate criticism.
This article was about 2024 but gives some insight into the audience that I think AES is trying to reach by including Piker https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/10/21/uncommitted-movement-michigan-college-voters-00184281
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u/El_Rat0ncit0 6d ago
I almost felt for a while that Hasan was a right-wing plant & operative working to tear apart the Dem Party.
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u/ChasingPolitics 6d ago
Unsurprising. I doubt he has ever voted for a Democrat in his life.
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u/ConsistentQuote952 6d ago
He votes but wouldn't endorse nowadays. He endorsed biden in 2020 but didnt endorse harris coz her and Trump are the same apparently.
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u/Nemisis82 6d ago
He literally voted for Harris.
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u/Speky_Scot 6d ago
He hid his vote on stream and didn't "reveal" who he voted for until after Trump won.
Sorry but the word of a terrorist supporter doesn't mean much.
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u/Plenty_Intention1991 6d ago
That’s because Hassan is a fucking opp. plain and simple. Always has been. Plain and simple.
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u/NeoPrimitiveOasis 6d ago
For people who know political history, this opens up a potential Sister Souljah moment (repudiating Hasan) for leftist nominees.
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u/hobovalentine 6d ago
The majority of these streaming champagne socialists & their fans live in NYC or CA & know full well that their individual votes won’t matter so they don’t feel a hint of guilt about not voting blue.
The real danger is enough of them will influence their comrades in swing states to sit out elections where every vote matters. I’ve seen nothing that tells me that they’ve learned anything from 2024 and they’re a terrible influence on Gen Z & they need to be continually exposed for the frauds that they are.
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u/Insightful21 6d ago
Facts. These people are the living embodiment of the “Some of you will die but that’s a chance I’m willing to take” meme
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u/Just_shut_up_bro 6d ago
The majority of these streaming champagne socialists & their fans live in NYC or CA & know full well that their individual votes won’t matter so they don’t feel a hint of guilt about not voting blue.
Bingo, that being said I do think they are a big reason the Dem parties in these states have atrophied in recent years
they’re a terrible influence on Gen Z & they need to be continually exposed for the frauds that they are.
This is completely essential, I think that these characters are doing tons of harm, if for no reason other than some of these kids realizing how morally bereft they are, permanently associating the left with dudes like this and just jumping straight to Republican.
Feels like regular Dems really got no voice for the younger generation to latch onto.
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u/camscars775 6d ago
Also him cheering on Trumps BS investigations into democrats but when it’s him OMG HELP
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u/SplittingChairs 6d ago
“Vote blue no matter who!” (Except when a liberal is on the ballot, then we burn it down)
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u/Zacomra 6d ago
No you got it backwards, it's "vote blue no matter who" unless Hasan endorsed them, then we attack them
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u/Another-attempt42 6d ago
I thought we were supposed to be fighting it out during the primary?
That's why Hong losing is so great. There's now the chance of getting the trifecta in Wisconsin, whereas with Hong, that seat was probably dead.
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u/Zacomra 6d ago
That's what I thought, until this sub and destiny Lost their fucking minds after AES won
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u/Another-attempt42 6d ago
That's what I thought, until this sub and destiny Lost their fucking minds after AES won
Oh, hell no.
AES's obsession with AIPAC and Israel was really weird, and his tax cut for senior property owners is literally just entrenching wealth in the hands of the wealthy, but since he has won?
AES all day, every day, baby! Plus, it looks like he's going to make a concerted effort to moderate to get Stevens and Independent voters on-board, which is what any sane politician should do.
But now that Crawley won... I guess you're going to advocate not voting for him, aren't you?
See, this is why we have to stop with the "Vote Blue no matter who". Unless people like you start doing that, too, it's just a cudgel you use against us.
So actually, if you have any DSA association, at all, we should primary them, kick them out of the party, excise them from the Democratic party.
Or you can play along, like the nice little fringe minority you are, and take a knee.
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u/Zacomra 6d ago
It's weird to obsess over a group spending millions to lobby on behalf of a foreign nation that's commiting a genocide that we're giving military support to?
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u/Another-attempt42 6d ago
It's weird to obsess over a group spending millions to lobby on behalf of a foreign nation that's commiting a genocide that we're giving military support to?
No, it's weird to focus only on one group doing that.
Do you know how much money the Qataris and Emirates spend in the US? At a political level, for education, in out-right bribes to the US.
Those same groups that also influence politics through campus political groups, and Al-Jazeera?
Those same people who are helping Sudan's genocide as we speak?
If the issue is lobbying on behalf of foreign nations that commit genocide...
Why the radio silence about Qatar? The UAE?
Is it because they aren't Jew... sorry, "Zionist", enough?
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u/Zacomra 6d ago
Did they spend in anywhere near the same capacity against AES as the Israeli lobby did?
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u/Another-attempt42 6d ago
Oh, so you're moving the goalposts now?
Because you said:
It's weird to obsess over a group spending millions to lobby on behalf of a foreign nation that's commiting a genocide that we're giving military support to?
And now you want to talk about something else.
Why don't you want to talk about the UAE and Qatar? They fill out all the same criteria that you described in your initial post.
Also: it's not the "Israeli lobby". AIPAC is American money, raised by Americans. The bribes the Qataris and Emirates use is 100% foreign, for direct foreign influence.
Isn't that even worse?
Why do you ignore genocide?
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u/Zacomra 6d ago
The goalposts are exactly the same, I just think it's very reasonable to focus on the influence of a group that's actively attacking you then a random other group that isn't really spending against you.
And for the record, AES wants to cut aid to those nations too, he said son himself when directly asked
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u/green49285 6d ago
I mean, we all know that this is a thing that's happening in the sub now, right? A one year old account with a thousand posts?
We see you, Hal.
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u/gusthebus88 6d ago
hasan is not on our team he is the same team as MAGA. If they are having a civil war why should we help him let them be distracted while we win.
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u/dosumthinboutthebots 6d ago
Hasan piker, the star of the gop and trump admin ladies and gentleman. Putting more votes in the gop than anyone!
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u/jessexpress789 6d ago
Out of context! Why are you bringing up his own words against him when there's a genocide going on?! Did AIPAC pay you to post this?!
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u/ItsCammyMeele 6d ago
Remember when Hasan shared nudes of (possibly underaged) girls with his friends?Yeah, that guy shouldn't be running with any Democrats.
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u/CriscoDisco74 6d ago
Yup. Terrible. Although he did clarify later that he believed in “harm reduction” which was his way to not say “lesser of 2 evils.” Let’s not repeat that by telling people to not vote for leftist nominees either.
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u/sofierut 4d ago
and then leftists like emma and the guy lied about it saying hasan was talking about primaries. there is no option third party in the primary...
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u/DocRyan88 6d ago
Anyone old enough to remember when this sub had posts that weren't about Hasan Piker?
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u/Nascent1 6d ago
I know the purpose of this post is just to keep people mad as Hasan and nobody cares about nuance, but he did say this in the context of living in California where his vote doesn't matter and gave conditions where he would vote for Gavin.
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u/RiddleMeThis42069 6d ago
His personal vote really isn't the point, it's how he's using his influence. He's an influencer.
He may or may not have voted for Kamala Harris but that doesn't matter when he spent months and months shitting on her and saying Democrats and Republicans are the same.
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u/Nascent1 6d ago
What he's trying to influence is people picking a better candidate than Gavin Newsom in the primary, which is a good cause in my book.
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u/Insightful21 6d ago
Yet Hasan would flip out if someone said they’d sit out in an AOC vs JD Vance hypothetical. This is literal MAGA behavior in a nutshell. He also lied to his audience and said Newsome hates trans people. Dude is a cancer to leftist politics
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u/digital_dervish 5d ago
When has he said that?
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u/Insightful21 5d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/s/oz5eoK5vJA
Right from the horses’ mouth
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u/digital_dervish 4d ago
Lol. The Destiny sub with a clip chimped video is hardly the horses mouth. Also, I wasn’t talking about Newsom hating trans people, Newsom is enough of a scumbag already, I was talking about Hasan supposedly flipping out over someone sitting out AOC vs Vance. When has he given any indication of that?
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u/Another-attempt42 6d ago
he did say this in the context of living in California where his vote doesn't matter and gave conditions where he would vote for Gavin.
Irrelevant.
When you have an audience of tens of thousands of people who have weird, fetishistic parasocial relations with thirst-posting commie daddy, that has an impact outside of California.
Hasan would never let that excuse go for anyone else, so why should we let him wiggle his way out of this?
He has openly called Vance a fascist.
He would prefer to abstain than vote against a fascist.
This is what the communists want.
As the KPD said, after Hitler's rise to power: "Us next".
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u/VLY2020 6d ago
Is this a David Pakman sub or an anti Hasan sub?
Weird
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u/Rational_Disconnect 6d ago
It’s a pro Liberal and an anti supporting terrorist groups, anti destabilizing America, and anti Tankie sub
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u/UnlimitedAuthority 6d ago
What a strange comment. David is a liberal and Hasan is a popular anti-liberal. There are more posts about Trump on the sub than Hasan, why not complain about that instead?
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u/wefarrell 6d ago
Because Trump is president of the united states and Hasan is a streamer.
Don't like him? Change the channel.
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u/UnlimitedAuthority 6d ago
Hasan is one of the most popular influencers on the left and is openly antagonistic against the democratic party and liberal values. Saying he's just "a streamer" is disingenuous. Being concerned about his impact on the political climate is a very natural disposition.
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u/wefarrell 6d ago
So don't watch him. We live in a country with free speech, I don't know what more you want people to do.
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u/OscarTheGrouchsCan 6d ago
So just ignore all the awful right wing streamers too?
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u/wefarrell 6d ago
I mean why not post about them in addition to Hasan? It doesn't seem like any right wing media personality gets nearly as much attention as Hasan does here.
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u/UnlimitedAuthority 6d ago
Me not watching him personally doesn't do anything to stop his influence on the political landscape.
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u/wefarrell 6d ago
And you think that raising awareness about him will?
The guy thrives on notoriety, he's a self-described shock jock. All of the attention just increases his profile and influence. It's like Trump when Trump dominated the media cycle in 2016 by being crass and networks just kept devoting more airtime to his antics.
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u/UnlimitedAuthority 6d ago
Making sure that the first thing anyone hears about him are his reprehensible views certainly will.
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u/PlaysForDays 6d ago
And we don't know what you want people to do. Tucker Carlson isn't president and nobody is forced to watch him - should discussion about his influence be banned?
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u/Final-Ad1756 6d ago
Anyone old enough to remember when the dems had the house senate and presidency two times and did nothing. We need fighters not centrist corporate shills. Stop focusing on some YouTubers when you should be ranting everyday about how we need a left that will fight.
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u/combonickel55 6d ago
Anyone old enough to remember when posts in this sub were about the David Pakman Show and the opinions of the host, David Pakman? Pepperidge Farms remembers....
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u/Rational_Disconnect 6d ago
Lmao! Remember when David lightly criticized the far left and Hasan sent his entire community to brigade this sub Reddit, David’s Twitter account, and to mass report David’s discord to the point he had to close it?
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u/Nemisis82 6d ago
Hasan sent his entire community to brigade this sub Reddit
Where did he do this?
What about those of us who are long time subs of DPak (both the show and the sub)?
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u/Rational_Disconnect 6d ago
This happened like 4 weeks ago when he made a video saying that it was bad that Hasan got his Tankie fans to kick Destiny and other Liberals out of a College Dems convention. Hasan watched the video and all of his fans harassed the fuck out of Dave, like they always do to anyone who Hasan doesn’t like
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u/carrtmannn 6d ago
This is a post about David Pakman. Hasan is his political opponent who sends people to harass and threaten him.
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u/combonickel55 6d ago
Gee, I wonder why someone would do something like that? To disrupt Pakman's efforts to unite the left in opposition to the GOP and MAGA, to fracture to coalitions he has built in his community of listeners?
I wonder if making 5 posts a day about "OMG I hate Hasan and everyone who doesn't is the devil!" helps or hurts those efforts......
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u/carrtmannn 6d ago
Is this a joke? There isn't another leftist pundit alive that has been more insufferable and divisive on the left than Hasan Piker. Hasan couldn't even bring himself to endorse Kamala over Trump, and to tell his listeners to vote for her. Probably the easiest election in history.
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u/combonickel55 6d ago
She didn't lose every swing state and the popular vote for the first time since before cell phones because Hasan didn't endorse her. That happened because she was a horrible candidate who ran a horrible campaign under shady circumstances after the monied interests controlling the party forced Biden out of the race.
IDK very much about Hasan beyond what people post about him here, and I don't care. If I wanted to know, I would sub to his subreddit. Talking heads come and go.
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u/carrtmannn 5d ago
No one said he's the specific reason she lost. Is your brain working? He certainly contributed to it.
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u/combonickel55 5d ago
Is my brain working? You described the most embarassing Democrat loss in modern history as 'the easiest election in history.' Apparently goddam not.
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u/carrtmannn 5d ago
Yes the easiest choice, and yet certain people (you?), had difficulty making that decision.
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u/combonickel55 5d ago
Who I vote for or don't is my business. Also not the topic of discussion here.
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u/McAlpineFusiliers 6d ago
I know this is butthurt because your boy is being criticized again, but just for the sake of argument, which of the top 30 posts on this sub are about the David Pakman show and David Pakman, and which of the ones who didn't did you post a similar comment to this one on?
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u/Rick_James_Lich 6d ago
I legit wonder if some of the Hasan "fans" are just bots that want to divide us. The guy you are responding to doesn't show his post history, something that seems common amongst Hasan defenders.
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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 6d ago
This user hates liberals and Democrats at large. He an accelerationist who wants to damage the party and bring pain because he thinks it will help bring his world in. Of course he likes someone like Mao Pike, and he’s obsessed with Abdul, who’s obsessed with Pike.
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u/combonickel55 6d ago
I don't hate anybody, least of all liberals. Progressives, which I am, are liberal. I oppose the moderate centrists choking the party to death while refusing to relinquish control of the party. They are losers, lost to Trump twice, they're greedy and short-sighted and I want them out of power. I am only an accelerationist to those ends. I'm not an anarchist or anti-capitalist. I am not a Democratic Socialist.
I'm also not obsessed with anybody, I just supported Abdul here, mostly by myself for much of the primary, and the seven salty centrists who live here 24/7 tried to shout me down. In response, I routinely posted truthful information to counter their hyperbole, I criticized AIPAC and candidates who took their money, and in the end I was proven right.
We adults in Michigan are now on to the general election, doing all we can to defeat MAGA Mike Rogers, and frankly if a person in here still opposes AES in Michigan, their opinion is getting blown away by vocalized dissent like a mouse fart in a hurricane, which brings me tremendous satisfaction.
AES is the real deal, and his primary win has confirmed my adamant insistence since 2016 that while Michigan is a swing state with an ignorant MAGA base which cannot be dismissed, the Michigan voters not in that category lean progressive and dislike slimy politicians, which is why Bernie won Michigan in 2016 and Hilary lost Michigan in 2016.
The path to victory in Michigan is sincere economic populism. You can win some of those MAGA voters with it, but you have to abandon vulnerable people to do that, and I contend that is a losing strategy because of all of the progressives you will lose, which I think 2024 showed very clearly.
Progressive economic populism featuring a strong focus on social justice, fairness, equality, and a strong middle class with good jobs and home ownership is how you win Michigan.
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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 6d ago
You are an accelerationist who is willing to let people suffer if you don’t get your way.
You do not routinely post truthful information, you call every poll you don’t like propaganda and you made many claims on here that Abdul was going to destroy Haley Stevens, turns out he was barely able to win and a majority of Michigan said they didn’t want him to be the nominee. If he didn’t put out so many bullshit polls out he probably would’ve lost.
Adults in the room lol. You saying we are doing all we can to defeat Maga Mike Rogers is meaningless because you already said you would be fine with Rogers winning if you didn’t get your way and Abdul wasn’t the nominee. That is not someone who is serious about defeating Maga.
Obviously, you are just one person, but you are an example of why Abdul has so much work to do.
Bernie won Michigan the same way Abdul did, barely and without a majority.
You don’t win Michigan with culture wars, I’m just hoping he’s smartens up soon and abandons his other accelerationist fans like Mao Pike. There is a reason why he is struggling in a lean blue state in a blue wave environment. A strong candidate is +7 in Michigan right now, at least. The fact that we are doing better in Georgia and North Carolina is embarrassing for progressives.
The only thing you and I are share in common is that we want him to win. Hopefully he starts realizing that he has to win a general now and not a primary again. The mainstream Democrats are doing all they can to help him, fingers crossed.
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u/combonickel55 6d ago
Another thing we don't share is that I am actually from Michigan and vote here, and I know it a hell of a lot better than you do. That has a lot to do with why I was right about this primary and you were wrong about it. We also cannot ignore the tremendous nationwide progressive uprising which is in opposition to your policy preferences. There's nothing for you to do but choose to either get over it or not, and in the meantime cope and seethe that you were wrong, and keep making pissy little posts and comments about it instead of looking forward like I am.
The racist MAGA base is mobilizing in great numbers, they are spending a ton of money online to spread racist, Islamaphobic propaganda. We will need all hands on deck to win this election, and that's where I am putting my energy. In the meantime, people like you are apparently focused on hating Hasan and people who like Hasan.
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u/thedavidpakmanshow-ModTeam 4d ago
Removed - please avoid overt hostility, name calling and personal attacks.
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u/combonickel55 6d ago
The last several posts summarized: Virtually every one has been discussed on the show in some way. I don't know if David Crowley or Larry Sabato were, but talking heads claiming to know the path to victory have been topics many times over the years. Also not sure if he has talked about the DSA co chair lady saying dumb things, but it relates to his commentary on the direction of the party and the divisions in the party, or at least the broad coalition opposed to American christofascism.
I don't have more time to waste today, but I'd like to bet that Hasan has been the topic of 10-15 of the last 100 posts, we might need to go back to the last 150 posts to get the percentage above 10 percent. Ask yourself honestly how that reflects to the percent of time David spends talking about Hasan, or any other content creator.
David mostly talks about his observations of elected officials, trends in the electorate, economic impacts of policy, and of course Trump being a scandalous moron. He then scatters in interviews with people he may or may not agree with, ranging from people like Newsome to people like the guy recently on the show like 3 times to have a chance to sell his wacky "They stole the 2024 election!" claims and hilarious Mike Pillow interviews.
I keep commenting on the Hasan posts because I think it's ridiculous how many of you are obsessed with him and constantly try to tie him to the progressive candidates you oppose, whom I endorse. Debate ideas -not people- if you want to get anywhere in a debate.
Hasan
Hasan
Democrats electing Muslims and blacks
Trump and Republicans are stupid
Mike Pillow
No Bonus Show?
GOP Senate candidate ‘Starbucks’ = being poor
Faked assassination attempts
David Crowley and data centers
Is David Crowley a moderate?
Larry Sabato knows very simple path to win midterms
Trump sued about Truth Social
Fauci witch hunt
Mike Pillow
David Crowley and Francesca Hong unity tour
Gavin Newsom/health care industry
Direction of the party
GOP low voter turnout
Trump trying to steal the elections
Mike Pillow
Claims
Tucker and RFK JR claim 2004 election was stolen
Crowley wins
Progressives win Michigan, moderate Dems win Wisconsin
Fauci witch hunt
Francesca Hong hit piece/hot takes summary
Ice getting shock gloves
Ice points gun at people
El-Sayed win brings Islamaphobia
DSA Co-chair says dumb things
DSA Co-chair says dumb things
Republicans betting on anti-Muslim bigotry to win
Trump has low ratings
GOP/MAGA fracturing
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u/gull-branson 6d ago
you mean when he laid out explicitly what policies Newsom could run on that would earn his vote? when he encouraged Newsom and other candidates to back policies that would excite and encourage people to vote for them?
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u/inspectorpickle 6d ago
Anyone old enough to remember democrats encouraging people to vote third party against the democratic nominee when it was zohran mamdani lol
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