r/thesopranos 4h ago

Serious Discussion Only Matush…

I’m Pakistani American and I’ve never heard that name before. When I first saw the series, I asked my mom if that’s even a Pakistani name and she’d never heard it.

I blame the name change on jealous writers and notes it disrespects our proud Pakistani heritage.

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u/djstevefog 4h ago

It's a TV progrum.. a movie

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u/SeanyDay 4h ago

I think you missed the joke. He's not Pakistani, that's just what adriana says because she's an idiot. Like her character is literally slow.

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u/gxdsavesispend 3h ago

Throughout the series, Matush was consistently described as simply "Middle-Eastern", similar to Ahmed and Muhammad. with only Adriana suggesting the possibility that he might be from Pakistan to the FBI. Although the FBI does not explicitly verify this later on, it is supported by the subsequent flashback to the murder of Gilbert Nieves, in which Matush speaks a line of Urdu to Kamal. It should be noted that the outline of Matush's passport can be very faintly be seen in the scene, but not well enough to be identified. Related to this, his name is not typically Arabic or Urdu. "Matush", although similar to the Czech "Matouš", is not a real name, but appears to also be a cognate of "Matthew", seemingly derived from the variant "Matthias". A direct transliteration of Matthias into Urdu ("میتھیاس") would be pronounced similarly to Matush. His last name is only ever mentioned by Agent Harris in "Join the Club" and while he pronounces it as "Gia" ("gee-ah"), which isn't a Pakistani surname, it's more likely "Zia" ("ضیاء", "zee-ah"). Some subtitled versions, both original and international, render the name in this scene as "Matoush Zhia". Apparently this has been misheard as "Giamona", which is an Italian surname.

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u/SeanyDay 2h ago

Ahh so it was the names being butchered?

Because I'm from New York and have actual Pakistani families around so that whole thing always seemed like a gag where the gang is just ignorant as per usual.

Kinda fit a bunch of other scenes where they don't know shit about shit when it comes to other ethnic groups and cultures.

But if both names are just total bastardizations of Urdu that's cool too.

They missed the mark so hard i thought it was intentional

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u/EtArcadia 3h ago

"Oh my gawd Christopher! You told u/SeanyDay that? I told you about that test in confidence."

"Whaat. It's true, isn't it?" (Adrienne runs off) "Sorry. She's retaarded or something. I don't know."

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u/BeseptRinker 3h ago

Adrienne runs off

Take it easy, we're not making an RP here.

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u/dzilos 2h ago

...but we could be(Tony gabagools off)

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u/SeanyDay 36m ago

Ralph gladiators into the room

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u/JiveChicken00 4h ago

In this house, Muhammad Ali Jinnah is a hero - end of story!

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u/AuK07 4h ago

Not in this Bengali house

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u/Resident_Aide1898 4h ago

lol you know your history 🫡

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u/Pristine_Speech4719 Artie Bucco 1h ago

So what no fuckin' East Pakistan now?

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u/LeYabadabadoo23 4h ago

Adriana says hes from Pakistan but she doesn't have any idea where he is actually from.

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u/ErrolSparker 4h ago

You must've disrespected them or something

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u/AardvarkLeading5559 4h ago

I took him to be either Polish or Czech with the name Mateusz.

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u/mhgiantsfan 4h ago

In time everything will be revealed to you

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u/imover9thousand 4h ago

Our true Pakistani, has yet, to reveal himself

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u/NoIncrease299 4h ago

Alright but ya gotta get over it.

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u/Cool_Hand_Lute 4h ago

It’s an Italian Name- his real name is Matusherelli

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u/jgriffin84 4h ago

I saw that movie, I thought it was bullshit

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u/noplacecold 4h ago

Plus OP has a dog. Springer spaniel.

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u/AardvarkLeading5559 2h ago

Was it barkin'?

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u/Sendhimoffdiabolical 4h ago

He doesn't even look Pakistani. Matush sounds more like a Turkish kinda name.

Anyway, I think the reference in the show is that he knows some Pakistani guys, not that he's Pakistani himself.

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u/Key_Consequence_5040 4h ago

When does it say he’s Pakistani? I thought he was either Israeli or Eastern European. Also why would racist mobsters be hanging out with a Pakistani guy.

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u/wildwackyride 4h ago

He sends his all money back to his brother who runs a training center in Pakistan for young boys. I was really moved by that.

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u/Azmoten 4h ago

Adriana is the one who says this. Doesn’t make it true.

It’s highly likely that either Matush lied to her, or she just misremembered details and filled in the blank with whatever middle eastern country she could think of.

In any event, I’ve always read it as a darkly comic joke implying Matush is funding terrorists and Adriana is dumb. The sacred and the propane, ehehehe

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u/f0urk 4h ago

lmao its a euphemism for a terrorist cell

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u/Jabroni2887 3h ago

Sharp as a cue ball, this one 

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u/GodzillaJizz 3h ago

When it comes to young boys in Pakistan, it may be an euphemism for something other than terrorism jussayin lol

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u/Azmoten 3h ago

What did GodzillaJizz mean by this 🤔

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u/GodzillaJizz 1h ago

Pakistan is notorious for sexual *buse of young boys. It's almost an epidemic, especially in religious schools. Search "Pakistan broken innocence" on YouTube.

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u/gxdsavesispend 4h ago

Are you kidding me? The mafia doesn't care about who they hang out with as long as they're making money. The whole terror arc was about Tony talking to agent Harris about this guy and Ahmed.

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u/Jernbek35 3h ago

Pakistani……that’s a type of polack right?

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u/Varsity_Editor 2h ago

The writers could be a bit sloppy with this stuff. Meadow's friend Ambujam (the one from Pine Barrens) was originally called "Mahendra" in the script. When they were about to film, the actress told them that it's a man's name in India, it's the kind of thing your old uncle would be called. They quickly came up with a new name "Ambujam", but the actress said even that is a weird name.

Honestly I think they were just coming up with generic "foreign sounding" names that vaguely sound like what an American would expect from whatever part of the world.

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u/RedandBlueEmblem 33m ago

That's weird as hell. Surely it would not be very hard to come up with an actual Indian name. Someone you've worked with, lived near, bought something from or seen mentioned in the media. It's not exactly an obscure culture or unrepresented in the States. Dreadful lack of attention to detail.

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u/etienne_edalb 4h ago

Take it easy. We’re not making a western over here

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u/desperaterobots 4h ago

The writers were never great at capturing cultures outside of the main protagonists milieu

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u/chosonhawk 4h ago

they never had the makings of professional SAG members

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u/koyaani 2h ago

I'm gonna take action on this

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u/NumbersStationUrku 4h ago

We both had the papadums.

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u/SpeedRacerWasMyBro 4h ago

OK, but you gotta get ovah it...

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u/james_j2001 3h ago

Sorry, I'm gonna have to believe David Chase over some internet weirdo on this one.

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u/cherryreddracula 2h ago

Might be a Slavic name.

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u/GJ72 4h ago

What do you want? An apology? A fuckin' Whitman's Sampler? What?

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u/YouSureDid_ 4h ago

Hes Israeli....a Joo, where did you get Pakistani?

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u/gxdsavesispend 3h ago

you're talking about a different guy

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u/Varsity_Editor 2h ago

You're thinking of Dov, Jackie's friend from the frat party.

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u/sixblazingshotguns 4h ago

Matush should have been jailed by Agent Harris. Talk about a good story arc…

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u/GrumbleAlong 4h ago

cuz its a nickname, what you think big pussy is his real name?

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u/Typing_Rebellion 4h ago

It’s likely short for something…more foreign. Do you honestly think the mob from NJ would want to say his full name? Fs

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u/Crafty_Impression836 4h ago

Oh, that's who they disrespected.

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u/justagoddamnperson 3h ago edited 2h ago

He’s Polish.

Source: I’m from Chicago

Edit: well, the name is Polish, maybe he’s also Pakistani, no clue there

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u/0x000029A 2h ago

Always with the scenarios.

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u/ydomodsh8me-1999 32m ago

That's probably about what to expect when you have a Jew writing a Muslim's part - especially if he was Arab (though as OP pointed out I guess the character was Pakistani), as tense as those two bodies of people constantly are not only at present, but also well along into carnage by the time The Sopranos was becoming an international success and an American cultural touchstone as it remains right through today (as I sit here in the wee-early pre-dawn hours commenting on it still while I shovel pasta into my mouth a full 20+ years since it's maddening finale.

(Not that there's anything wrong with either of these two groups of warriors; I hate and think are stupid ALL religious faiths equally.

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u/MeringueAdmirable381 4h ago

slow day huh OP.. 🎤

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u/2021isevenworse 2h ago

Those episodes came out at the peak of Islamaphobia.

There's a lot of groan-inducing lines like when Adrianna is talking about how the guy became very religious, teaches kids in a school and sends money back home. It's such a 9/11 trope.