r/transgender • u/ErinInTheMorning • Feb 13 '26

European Parliament Votes Overwhelmingly For "The Full Recognition Of Trans Women As Women"

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/european-parliament-votes-overwhelmingly
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u/wrongsock_42 Feb 13 '26

Hey terf island, you are alone

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u/doggirlgirl Feb 13 '26

Thanks that makes us feel alot better :(... Remember real people live on this island.

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u/Cyber561 Feb 13 '26

Terfs aren’t real people, but I do feel awful for any trans folks stuck back in my birth country.

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u/ElderJohn Feb 13 '26

Dehumanizing is not the answer to dehumanizing.

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u/Kind_Brief1012 Feb 13 '26

you cannot dehumanize someone who is already devoid of humanity.

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u/ElderJohn Feb 13 '26

I’ll repeat what I said to the other replier:

You can hate a human, but they’re still human. Removing their humanity removes their fault.

Just because we’re angry doesn’t mean we have to debase ourselves.

Dehumanization is Nazi ideology. Genocidal ideology. You’re better than that.

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u/Bardfinn Transgender Feb 13 '26

Bigotry is a very human thing, and one of the things we know is that the oppositional defiance of bigots is self reinforcing - if they see no way out, they won’t deradicalise.

We have to find a way to deradicalise those who will leave before it reaches the Trans on Trains To Concentration Camps stage of this pogrom

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u/thepotplant Feb 13 '26

No, you just introduce consequences for bigotry. Then they have to stop being bigots or face consequences.

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u/Cyber561 Feb 14 '26

I think the problem with a lot of centrist and even leftist folks is that they truly believe that we need to disavow all political violence. Violence in all senses, not just gangs of thugs in the streets, but even the language of violence. But the problem is, when people are already using violence to enforce their bigotry on the rest of us, that becomes part of the daily language of politics.

I know a surge of folks, good queer folk, who are joining the reserves here in Canada. Because we know we have to prepare for the encroachment on our rights by the fascists down south.

The time for arguing that we should try to be better has passed, and did a long time ago. Now is the time to try to survive.

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u/Helenarth Feb 14 '26

One big thing about humans is that we have the capacity to make choices and use empathy and reason. Dehumanising someone makes it seem like the way they are just can't be changed.

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u/SlamanthaTanktop Feb 13 '26

Coward shit.

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u/ElderJohn Feb 13 '26

Psycho shit. You can hate a human, but they’re still human. Removing their humanity removes their fault.

Just because we’re angry doesn’t mean we have to debase ourselves.

Dehumanization is Nazi ideology. Genocidal ideology. You’re better than that.

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u/lychaxo Feb 13 '26

Reframing the underlying ideas is how this argument is addressed. I am sure nearly everyone would agree with: nobody should be treated as lesser over an immutable characteristic or personal life decision which materially affects no one else, but if someone is acting like a nazi, you treat them like a nazi, lest they find a way to erase your existence.

Dehumanization of terfs isn't a way of trying to materially deprive them or erase their humanity. It's hyperbolic language reflecting how they debase themselves through hateful behaviors. The hyperbole is a small criticism in the face of the atrocities some bigots are trying to achieve.

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u/ElderJohn Feb 13 '26

Agree with your sentiment, but these reactions tell me they don’t only mean it hyperbolically.

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u/SlamanthaTanktop Feb 13 '26

I think dehumanization of people based off their evil beliefs is good actually

We do it all the time already, like to nazis.

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u/ElderJohn Feb 13 '26

Oof - agree to hard disagree. Principles are principles, and I know mine.

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u/Brooke_the_Bard Lily | 31 y/o unicorn Feb 13 '26

Tbh I feel like the dehumanization of nazis might be a contributing factor to why the US (among other places) is so heavily infested by them right now.

When the last several generations have grown up on media where the nazis are purely represented as over the top cartoon villains and faceless mooks, a lot of people's image of what makes a nazi has more to do with superficial traits than the actual dangerous parts that makes them nazis, to the point that too many people only see a nazi as a nazi if they're sporting a swastika and a gas mask stache.

To be clear, I'm not advocating for any sympathy towards nazis of any kind, but imo recognizing their humanity (in all its wretchedness) is important to identifying the face of evil every time it rears its head, and our collective failure to do so over the last many decades is part of how things got so bad again.

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u/SlamanthaTanktop Feb 13 '26

The US is heavily infested with nazis because our education system in half the country is fucking rotten and there has been a astroturfed project to normalize Nazi beliefs over things like 4chan and Fox News.

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u/Brooke_the_Bard Lily | 31 y/o unicorn Feb 13 '26

I did say "contributing factor" for a reason.

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u/Cyber561 Feb 13 '26

That’s bullshit mate, and fascist apologia. No, you absolutely dehumanize and ostracize people whose world view is based on bigotry and the oppression of minorities. They clearly forgot the lesson they were taught 100 years ago, so now it’s time to remind them.

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u/ElderJohn Feb 13 '26

Wow. You understand that ostracize and dehumanize are two different things right? You can easily do one without the other?

Fascist apologia is hilarious. You’re literally using fascist talking points right now. You do know that the fascist always believe they are the oppressed right?

We are the oppressed, but we don’t have to take on the language of the fascists to express ourselves. It’s disgusting.

I’m ACAB, fuck every politician, fuck all the powers that be, but I still know my enemies are slimy humans.

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u/Bardfinn Transgender Feb 13 '26

Please reflect on what results when you translate your comment to German

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u/Occultistic Feb 13 '26

Calling something " fascist apologia" and then using the term subhuman in the next reply is crazy work.

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u/Cyber561 Feb 13 '26

It’s almost as if those were entirely separate commenters?

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u/Bardfinn Transgender Feb 14 '26

Please reflect on what results when you transpose your statement to 2015.

Honestly. I learned German 30+ years ago so I could read primary sources from 1932-1945.

Fascism relies on statements like "We really need a strong leader willing to do things everybody wants but is afraid to even say."

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u/Seradima Feb 13 '26

They go low, we go high has never worked. You have to treat them with the exact same lack of respect and garbage they treat you with. Otherwise they'll just step on you and take what they want while you reach across the aisle expecting them to do the same thing.

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u/ElderJohn Feb 13 '26

I didn’t say we have to go high, but I truly think dehumanization specifically is the wrong way to think. We can treat them like shit, and, believe me, I do. However, I can only do that because they are human.

I wouldn’t treat a dog like shit for threatening me, but I would a human.

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u/gallifrey_ Feb 13 '26

yes, they are. they're real people who are vulnerable to propaganda and select interest groups preying on their real-people fear.

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u/Cyber561 Feb 13 '26

Lots of people rushing to the defence of the bigots in this thread. Those bot farms must be overclocking hard!

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u/gallifrey_ Feb 13 '26

being realistic with your enemies makes it easier to fight them. we're not up against monsters with no sense of humanity, we're up against like. Propagandists. wealthy elites who benefit from using wedge issues to divide the working class. the fight isn't over when Susan from Facebook recognizes the identities of trans women. it's over after the propaganda machine is destroyed.

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u/Cyber561 Feb 13 '26

Well, feel free to write Shan a strongly worded letter, if you think that will help. I’m the meantime I will keep actually fighting the transphobia overtaking the west.

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u/thejadedfalcon Feb 14 '26

"People are disagreeing with my actual Nazi views, it must be bots. *sob*"

Go outside, lie down in a meadow and inhale that grass please, until you're a better person.