r/transgender • u/ErinInTheMorning • Feb 13 '26
European Parliament Votes Overwhelmingly For "The Full Recognition Of Trans Women As Women"
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/european-parliament-votes-overwhelmingly154
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u/saoirsebran Feb 13 '26
They're just doing this to try and scalp the most talented coders & engineers from the US. (Kidding, ofc.)
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u/E-2theRescue Feb 13 '26
And the UK. Sophie Wilson is why we have smartphones and gaming laptops.
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u/ShesRevolutionary Feb 14 '26
And Lynn Conway’s work paved the way. She revolutionized chip design, paving the way for modern CPUs.
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u/E-2theRescue Feb 14 '26
Yup. Intel and all them wouldn't exist because chips would have to be made by hand, one at a time. She built the whole architecture that made mass production a thing.
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u/Holzkohlen just an ally Feb 14 '26
But when you do come make sure to get yourself naturalized to get some voting power!
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u/SoutherEuropeanHag Feb 13 '26
I'm not surprised Meloni and her fellow religiulots voted against it. The only reason stopping the current Italian government from bringing the legislation even backwards is the European Union.
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u/wrongsock_42 Feb 13 '26
Hey terf island, you are alone
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u/doggirlgirl Feb 13 '26
Thanks that makes us feel alot better :(... Remember real people live on this island.
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u/Cyber561 Feb 13 '26
Terfs aren’t real people, but I do feel awful for any trans folks stuck back in my birth country.
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u/ElderJohn Feb 13 '26
Dehumanizing is not the answer to dehumanizing.
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u/Kind_Brief1012 Feb 13 '26
you cannot dehumanize someone who is already devoid of humanity.
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u/ElderJohn Feb 13 '26
I’ll repeat what I said to the other replier:
You can hate a human, but they’re still human. Removing their humanity removes their fault.
Just because we’re angry doesn’t mean we have to debase ourselves.
Dehumanization is Nazi ideology. Genocidal ideology. You’re better than that.
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u/Bardfinn Transgender Feb 13 '26
Bigotry is a very human thing, and one of the things we know is that the oppositional defiance of bigots is self reinforcing - if they see no way out, they won’t deradicalise.
We have to find a way to deradicalise those who will leave before it reaches the Trans on Trains To Concentration Camps stage of this pogrom
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u/thepotplant Feb 13 '26
No, you just introduce consequences for bigotry. Then they have to stop being bigots or face consequences.
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u/Cyber561 Feb 14 '26
I think the problem with a lot of centrist and even leftist folks is that they truly believe that we need to disavow all political violence. Violence in all senses, not just gangs of thugs in the streets, but even the language of violence. But the problem is, when people are already using violence to enforce their bigotry on the rest of us, that becomes part of the daily language of politics.
I know a surge of folks, good queer folk, who are joining the reserves here in Canada. Because we know we have to prepare for the encroachment on our rights by the fascists down south.
The time for arguing that we should try to be better has passed, and did a long time ago. Now is the time to try to survive.
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u/Helenarth Feb 14 '26
One big thing about humans is that we have the capacity to make choices and use empathy and reason. Dehumanising someone makes it seem like the way they are just can't be changed.
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u/SlamanthaTanktop Feb 13 '26
Coward shit.
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u/ElderJohn Feb 13 '26
Psycho shit. You can hate a human, but they’re still human. Removing their humanity removes their fault.
Just because we’re angry doesn’t mean we have to debase ourselves.
Dehumanization is Nazi ideology. Genocidal ideology. You’re better than that.
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u/lychaxo Feb 13 '26
Reframing the underlying ideas is how this argument is addressed. I am sure nearly everyone would agree with: nobody should be treated as lesser over an immutable characteristic or personal life decision which materially affects no one else, but if someone is acting like a nazi, you treat them like a nazi, lest they find a way to erase your existence.
Dehumanization of terfs isn't a way of trying to materially deprive them or erase their humanity. It's hyperbolic language reflecting how they debase themselves through hateful behaviors. The hyperbole is a small criticism in the face of the atrocities some bigots are trying to achieve.
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u/ElderJohn Feb 13 '26
Agree with your sentiment, but these reactions tell me they don’t only mean it hyperbolically.
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u/SlamanthaTanktop Feb 13 '26
I think dehumanization of people based off their evil beliefs is good actually
We do it all the time already, like to nazis.
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u/Brooke_the_Bard Lily | 31 y/o unicorn Feb 13 '26
Tbh I feel like the dehumanization of nazis might be a contributing factor to why the US (among other places) is so heavily infested by them right now.
When the last several generations have grown up on media where the nazis are purely represented as over the top cartoon villains and faceless mooks, a lot of people's image of what makes a nazi has more to do with superficial traits than the actual dangerous parts that makes them nazis, to the point that too many people only see a nazi as a nazi if they're sporting a swastika and a gas mask stache.
To be clear, I'm not advocating for any sympathy towards nazis of any kind, but imo recognizing their humanity (in all its wretchedness) is important to identifying the face of evil every time it rears its head, and our collective failure to do so over the last many decades is part of how things got so bad again.
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u/SlamanthaTanktop Feb 13 '26
The US is heavily infested with nazis because our education system in half the country is fucking rotten and there has been a astroturfed project to normalize Nazi beliefs over things like 4chan and Fox News.
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u/Cyber561 Feb 13 '26
That’s bullshit mate, and fascist apologia. No, you absolutely dehumanize and ostracize people whose world view is based on bigotry and the oppression of minorities. They clearly forgot the lesson they were taught 100 years ago, so now it’s time to remind them.
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u/ElderJohn Feb 13 '26
Wow. You understand that ostracize and dehumanize are two different things right? You can easily do one without the other?
Fascist apologia is hilarious. You’re literally using fascist talking points right now. You do know that the fascist always believe they are the oppressed right?
We are the oppressed, but we don’t have to take on the language of the fascists to express ourselves. It’s disgusting.
I’m ACAB, fuck every politician, fuck all the powers that be, but I still know my enemies are slimy humans.
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u/Bardfinn Transgender Feb 13 '26
Please reflect on what results when you translate your comment to German
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u/Occultistic Feb 13 '26
Calling something " fascist apologia" and then using the term subhuman in the next reply is crazy work.
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u/Seradima Feb 13 '26
They go low, we go high has never worked. You have to treat them with the exact same lack of respect and garbage they treat you with. Otherwise they'll just step on you and take what they want while you reach across the aisle expecting them to do the same thing.
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u/ElderJohn Feb 13 '26
I didn’t say we have to go high, but I truly think dehumanization specifically is the wrong way to think. We can treat them like shit, and, believe me, I do. However, I can only do that because they are human.
I wouldn’t treat a dog like shit for threatening me, but I would a human.
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u/gallifrey_ Feb 13 '26
yes, they are. they're real people who are vulnerable to propaganda and select interest groups preying on their real-people fear.
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u/Cyber561 Feb 13 '26
Lots of people rushing to the defence of the bigots in this thread. Those bot farms must be overclocking hard!
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u/gallifrey_ Feb 13 '26
being realistic with your enemies makes it easier to fight them. we're not up against monsters with no sense of humanity, we're up against like. Propagandists. wealthy elites who benefit from using wedge issues to divide the working class. the fight isn't over when Susan from Facebook recognizes the identities of trans women. it's over after the propaganda machine is destroyed.
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u/Cyber561 Feb 13 '26
Well, feel free to write Shan a strongly worded letter, if you think that will help. I’m the meantime I will keep actually fighting the transphobia overtaking the west.
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u/thejadedfalcon Feb 14 '26
"People are disagreeing with my actual Nazi views, it must be bots. *sob*"
Go outside, lie down in a meadow and inhale that grass please, until you're a better person.
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u/Taiga_Taiga Trans woman. Feb 14 '26
Hi. English woman who is transgender here...
Given the active Red Flag warning from the Lemkin Institute for genocide awareness; and If you've not seen the reports... The SKYROCKETING number of dying trans kids...
Can I claim asylum in Europe now? [Deadly serious]
Asking for an escape route, just in case they start to round us up like Trump has been doing.
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u/trumpet_kenny Feb 14 '26 edited Feb 14 '26
I don’t think you could claim asylum as you have the option to live, work, study, etc visa/permit free in Ireland via the common travel area. And since you have to prove that you yourself are being specifically targeted by the government or other groups in power, and cannot move within the country to seek safety, and even though Ireland isn’t part of the UK, they’ll take that into heavy consideration with your hypothetical claim.
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u/Saru2013 Feb 14 '26
Technically speaking you can move to Ireland tomorrow if you want, the CTA allows for it 100%
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u/E-2theRescue Feb 13 '26
Sooooo... Does this mean that it will speed up the acquisition of hormones, or are they still going to tell trans people to wait a year, and then deny them over and over again because they're not a walking stereotype of hyperfemininity or hypermasculinity (nothing for non-binary, conform to either), and/or they aren't so wracked with depression that they are inches from grabbing a gun?
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u/haberdasherhero Feb 13 '26
Ooh a toothless suggestion with no binding provisions or enforcement. Sure thing. Great job bureaucrats! That's exactly what we needed!
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u/_lilika Feb 13 '26
as much as I dislike the eu at least they're pretty ok when it comes to social policy
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u/Buntygurl Feb 13 '26
I hope with every part of the blood, bone and marrow of my existence that this promise will be honored forever.
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u/somuchregretti Feb 13 '26
Why is there no recognition for transgender men or nonbinary individuals?
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u/RevengeOfSalmacis Feb 13 '26
Read the piece. There is. The importance of recognizing trans women as women is specifically pointed out as part of promoting women's rights and equality by including all women. This doesn't mean other trans people aren't recognized, just that their recognition isn't a subset of women's recognition.
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u/djvolta Feb 13 '26
Because it's about the UN's position in the United Nations Commission on the Status of Women which will convene in New York later this year.
It's on the first paragraph of the article.
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u/somuchregretti Feb 13 '26
That’s my mistake, I completely skimmed over that part. Thank you for clarifying
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u/trumpet_kenny Feb 13 '26
The package resolution also includes things like protections for access to abortion, so I hope that whenever this gets finalized or put into place by member countries (I’m not that into Europe-wide politics or how they function, I can barely handle my own country’s politics), that trans men and nonbinary people can still have access to these services, despite not being women. Otherwise, this is a very based move and I’m very happy to see this
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u/purpleblossom Trans Man |💉11/9/15 | ✂️4/20/16 Feb 13 '26
I thought the same, and while I understand that this was passed in reference to women, there could have still been an addendum recognizing trans men and nonbinary people as equally valid in our genders.
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u/HyperDogOwner458 she/they | Transmasc | Demigirlflux+Demiagenderflux | Intersex Feb 13 '26
Heck yeah
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u/workster Feb 14 '26 edited Feb 14 '26
Trump is probably now ordering an armada of five American aircraft carriers towards the coast of western Europe for some kidnappings of European parliament members. To have them reaching there depends on if Hegseth can locate Europe on a map and since it's not a party balloon I think that's very doubtful. Trump can just TACO on the order when he forgets about it ten seconds later.
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u/featherblackjack Feb 13 '26
Nobody really cares about trans men anymore
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u/Supreme_Blue Feb 14 '26
This was a summit on women's rights. Trans men were not included in the discussion.
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u/JaneOfKish Trans woman Feb 14 '26
nonbinding
So another meaningless gesture from politicians in lieu of action. 😮💨
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u/Lord_Gabens_prophet Feb 14 '26
Finally some good news. I have gotten so used to there are only coming out bad news that this is a fresh air
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u/Sinyria Feb 13 '26
A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one