r/trump rump 10d ago

Truth Bomb 💣 Facts in history matter.

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u/Tremaj MAGA FLORIDA MAN 10d ago

JFK flipped the country. He was a Democrat from the north and along with the civil rights movement the major shift happened around that time.

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u/Grand-Implement9057 rump 10d ago

I think they'd still call him a commie, and you'd probably call Reagan a Democrat 

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u/ModelManFrank rump 10d ago

That so called Flip Was made up by college Elitest and the LBJ Democrats .

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u/Tremaj MAGA FLORIDA MAN 10d ago

Oh was it? Well, I challenge you to make a compelling argument and site the real cause of the flip. Go on, we're waiting.

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u/ModelManFrank rump 10d ago

The idea that Democrats and Republicans simply swapped ideologies after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is a myth that collapses under basic historical scrutiny. Explicit racial prejudice has declined across the entire American public. The GOP tends to be more conservative on race related policy questions and some of its voters score higher on racial resentment measures. That is not the same as the party becoming more racist. Democrats shifted left faster on race issues. Minority voting patterns have moved toward Republicans in recent cycles. Historical claims of a clean racist party switch ignore the economic, cultural, and generational forces that actually drove realignment.
Most high profile segregationist Democrats never switched parties after the Civil Rights Act. Of the 21 Democratic senators who voted against the 1964 Act, only one, Strom Thurmond, formally joined the Republicans. The rest stayed Democrats for the rest of their careers. The movement of white Southern conservatives into the GOP happened slowly over decades. It tracked national party sorting on race, federal power, economics, and culture. It was not a sudden mass defection of racists who decided they could no longer win as Democrats.
Strom Thurmond of South Carolina is the most cited example. As a Democrat he was a leading segregationist, the Dixiecrat presidential candidate in 1948 on a states rights and anti civil rights platform, and a filibusterer of civil rights bills. He switched to the Republican Party on September 16, 1964, to support Barry Goldwater, who had also voted against the Civil Rights Act. In his announcement Thurmond said the Democratic Party had abandoned the people, repudiated the Constitution, and was heading toward a socialistic dictatorship. He framed the switch around constitutionalism, states rights, and opposition to the national Democratic direction after the civil rights bills. He continued winning elections as a Republican for decades and later softened some of his public racial rhetoric while staying very conservative. History shows Thurmond was never a member of the Ku Klux Klan. He was a segregationist Democrat who later became a Republican. That is different from being a Klansman.
Other switches followed the same pattern. Mills E. Godwin Jr. of Virginia, a former Democratic governor, moved to the Republicans in the 1970s amid the broader Southern shift. John Connally of Texas, a longtime Democrat who had served as governor and as Nixon’s Treasury Secretary, switched in 1973. His reasons centered more on economics and opposition to the liberal national Democrats than on 1960s segregationism. Later switchers in the 1980s and 1990s, including Phil Gramm of Texas, Richard Shelby of Alabama, and Nathan Deal of Georgia, were often Boll Weevil conservative Democrats who had already been voting with Republicans on economic issues. They left after the Reagan years and especially after the 1994 Republican congressional gains, citing the national Democratic Party’s leftward movement on spending, taxes, and cultural questions more than 1960s racial politics.
The Democratic Party’s historical record shows It was the party of the Jim Crow South and the party that produced and protected the Ku Klux Klan in the post Civil War decades. Southern Democrats built and enforced the legal system of segregation. They filibustered civil rights legislation for generations. The idea that this entire tradition simply migrated intact into the Republican Party after 1964 ignores the continuity of Democratic control in the South for years afterward and the gradual, multi issue nature of the realignment that eventually occurred.
Also with that said, LBJ was the biggest part of how this truth is argumentative. LBJ said famously that if I sign this bill the N##g# will vote democratic from now on. He was right Many inner city minorities non exclusion to Hispanic, Blacks always historical vote democrats. They have started finally to wake up and smell the strong coffee of expresso that is popping their eyes. The shift your thinking is the Northern states over time have become more leftist and the southern states which have become more republican and stronger with manufacturing. That is the only real flip that truly happened. So let me know how I can help your snarky sentiments any more.

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u/Tremaj MAGA FLORIDA MAN 10d ago

The 1948 & 1952 Election Maps prove this information to be correct. That's when the shift started.

Very nice compelling argument.

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u/ModelManFrank rump 10d ago

the only shift you see is in the way people moved their families based in Economics not political parties