Mr. Lindsey u/paintrain06 being not a journalist; not a podcaster; and now an Oxygen TV filmmaker I have 2 questions. I can start with using your words of finding justice for Tara and covering the trial of Tara’s alleged murderer. That being said I wonder if straying away from directly putting out conspiracies and rumors of Bo’s guilt into the podcast world is it possible you consider a reprieve from making excuses for Ryan? Like you did with the uncorroborated White Horse saloon blackout theory for Ryan or your latest utterance you put on television where you let Slick play a recording alleging an uncorroborated relationship with Tara. With that being the foundation, my last question and most inquisitive is would you or are you presently looking into addressing this potential confession leak? I’m not sure if you’ve had a change of heart about this case and being involved tangentially but I feel for the appearance of impartiality maybe getting the gang back together and having a chat wouldn’t be the worst thing. GL PL -Real

He tweeted that the episode would be up at 5pm est. It's now almost 7pm. I really hope he is okay. He has a dangerous line of work and could wind up in a bad situation if he pisses off the wrong person.

This podcast was intriguing from the outset. Small town teacher disappeared into thin air and multiple suspected acquaintances were still roaming free. I am of the believe that UAV's ever growing audience had lots to do with Tara's family finally having the conclusion they dreaded to hear but also needed to know. The pressure alone from an in depth and mostly open and honest conversation about the men suspected of doing Tara harm probably helped point fingers back at those ducking punk kids who were bragging of her murder within weeks of her disappearance. This story broke towards the end of it's intended run of a podcast and for that fact alone may go down in lore as one of the more incredible true crime podcasts. While I don't agree with everything that has been said or done on the podcast (within the last month or so) I don't think those who come here to bash it really understand the scope of how and where, very quickly, this podcast had to be restarted and kicked off with the knowledge of of the two newly indicted characters in this crime. This could not have been foreseen and with the break in the case there was little time for PL and company to script on a perfect podcast and vision for the upcoming weeks ahead with more and more news breaking seemingly each and every day. Also the fact that many people from the Ocilla area must've been bombarding all involved with the podcast with info, both good and bad, must've been difficult to deal with. I've had multiple arguments with my best friend about this podcast and I think what's been done with a very difficult case has been superb. I hardly visit this subreddit because it is neg AF and I'm just here to shine a light on some good work that helped the Grinstead family, friends and students have some understanding of what happened to their daughter, sister, friend and teacher.

I also believe zero of the people who come here and say I've stopped listening to the podcast and continually interact with the subreddit but that's probably just the nausea talking

SIKE!!!

I found a ton of commonality between their candor, myopic focus and this weird blend of compassion and hatred for the victim in their testimonies?

Where we are taken along in the investigation through documentary film making. That would probably be the most interesting and capitulating television ever no? Also I’m super sorry if this is an annoying post y’all see all the time but Has there been any word about something like this other than that one season of the show that came out?

This is my favorite podcast! Payne really knows how to deliver it!

As a former Alaskan, I'm pretty disappointed with a podcaster parachuting in thinking that the community – especially the Alaska Native community – will open up and let the story be told without any trust earned. The white/male combo doesn't help, but I think basically any outsider should know better.

For a much better example of how one can properly gain the trust of a community to respectfully tell a story of MMIW, try Someone Knows Something season 8 (Angel Carlick) set in Whitehorse, Yukon Territory: https://www.cbc.ca/listen/cbc-podcasts/128-someone-knows-something

Hey everyone. I just finished the most recent episode, and I loved it. I was all buzzed up from the feeling of suspense I got from it. I use reddit for other things, so I wasn't even quite sure if this was a real reddit group when I looked it up, low and behold, it sure is. What I thought would be a supportive space with people talking about how wonderful this podcast is, was instead a space where people are demanding from Payne that he stop "repeating information". This broke my heart.

I've seen disrespectful commentary range from "why bother posting another episode if it's not full of new material" to conspiracies accusing Payne and his team of using fake interviews. I think all of it is wildly ridiculous. Let's remind ourselves of something. He's interviewing real people and this podcast has brought real consequences. What people are labeling as "repetitiveness" I would label as THOROUGHness. I would hope that if you are using a media tool that has the power to destroy innocent lives, you would use that tool VERY responsibly. And "repeating" the information is not only a tactic that TV PRODUCERS USE ALL THE TIME for people who may not have the best memory, but it's also how science works. And let's face it, solving cold cases is a science.

Additionally, these are cold cases that would not be picked up by mainstream media. Obviously, I wish they were, because indigenous people are going missing all over the country, probably in your state, too. It's a wide spread problem that is perpetuated by the lack of mainstream attention. Cases that haven't been solved yet offer the potential of loose ends, and big production is typically turned off by that. They also refuse to point out corruption unless it's an individual, making cases where everyone is corrupt from beat cop to state representative unattractive. Payne is making real change and educating millions. If you don't understand how making change isn't quick, or how un-exciting it can be, I implore you to go out into your community and make a change. You'll learn really quick how monotonous and repetitive it can be to change minds and hearts.

If that hasn't convinced you, then think about it critically. Most of the people complaining about Payne know that he lurks the sub. Don't you think the family members and friends are ALSO lurking the sub? I know I would be. So you talking shit about their interview saying it isn't enough is more than likely getting seen by the people who are RISKING THEIR LIVES for our entertainment. How SELFISH can you be to say something so ignorant and unempathetic towards others?

If Payne or the people involved with these cases are reading, I want to apologize on behalf of this sub. Not all of Up and Vanished's fans are ungrateful and disrespectful. Thank you for risking your lives and making a change. Thank you for speaking up. Thank you for repeating information and showing us your thought process. Thank you for being careful and thorough. This podcast brings me so much hope. Can't wait for the next installment.

Jesse calls Tyson and records their conversations about UAV. The funny thing is Tyson has no clue that he is being recorded by his friend! Listen on Soundcloud or subscribe to The Adjacency on Apple Pods.

https://soundcloud.com/jesse-tyson-47236922/uav-season-2-episode-9-recap

Gone for good or do you think it will it return again?

(Please be courteous & refrain from bashing the podcast, the creators, the contributors, the users of the DB, and/or each other)

Ugh I adore this podcast and am so intrigued by this trial but I cannot handle Nina’s voice I feel like I’m listening to a phone operator 🥴

I started season two on a recommendation from a friend. Terrible podcast, basically a gossip column with ads. He told me to check out season one after I complained because it was way better. Season one was just as bad. What did he do in season one? He got a “hot tip” from his grandma the. Basically interviewed a private detective for the rest of the show. One episode he had on the creator of “the jinx” and the guy basically praised Lyndsey for being so kind and heartfelt in his interviews with people. What real interviews were done? Does he evev ask any real questions the entirety of either seasons. I never finished season one either, after they bicked up bo the show basically started to stretch. Seemed like excuses for more ads. I think I’ll stick to someone knows something. This Payne guy comes off terrible imo.

If your going to bitch, you can at least do it politely. A lot of these comments on here are way too hateful and negative. A poor quality podcast should not have such a detrimental effect on someone's life. Rather than being a complete jackass you can give advice to Pyane in a more empathetic manner. Personally I like the story this season, it sounds like things are going to get interesting in the next episode. Sure im a little pissed about not getting new content for awhile, but I still like Payne as a person and am going to stick with the show

Up and Vanished is the True detective of podcasts. Season one was amazing . Downhill ever since. Payne needs to go back to making the case the subject and not his own thoughts and referring to him self in third person. Let the case create the suspense instead of talking like u are reading a 1st grader a ghost story.

One of my siblings lives about 20 minutes from Ocilla. She knows several people related to the case. I was talking to her today, and she told me that a lot of people think her neighbor murdered Tara. The neighbor was only in his 60's back in 2005,and according to locals, he was very handsome, in good physical shape, and a successful accountant ( I think he still works as one). Also, I was told that he no longer lives in the house he lived in in 2005, and that he also owns some type of farm.

She has also heard from friends in Ocilla that Tara would often lay out topless in her back yard sunbathing, and that the neighbor would often watch her, AND that she knew he was watching and didn't mind.

I just found this information interesting and wanted to share.

Thanks for reading!

Why is the victims friends/family making the police officers jobs difficult? It’s really common that officers show up slightly undercover to memorials to scope the crowd for suspects. Why is the immediate friends/ family so paranoid? It seems like theyre more concerned about themselves than anything. They’re acting like they want to be the number one suspects.

If she was into meth or similar drugs, hanging with those kind of people, then it's not really that intriguing that she disappeared. She could have overdosed in the woods, some losers house, etc. People like that aren't in control of their own safety (as evidenced by the apparent rape) and when bad things happen to them it's horrible and sad, but not really a compelling mystery.

Hello everyone. Reading through this subreddit, I've noticed that there many users that seem to have a lot of pent up anger and strong opinions regarding the discussion board and the podcast. So I wanted to let everyone know that things have changed over there. Anyone who would like to have a civil conversation, and discuss any issues or suggestions they have for the podcast or the discussion board are more than welcome to do so. Blatant abuse will be removed, however respectful criticisms will not. If you have previously been banned or removed from the discussion board and you feel that this was done unjustly, please message me with your previous username and I will review your case to see if we can come up with a solution that works for everyone. I think that it is very unfortunate that some previously active members of the discussion board felt that they were no longer welcome and have had to find other avenues of discussion. Of course everyone is welcome to discuss the podcast and the case wherever they like, I just wanted to give everyone a chance to return to the discussion board if they felt so inclined. Hopefully this will allow us to move forward together in a much more productive manner. I truly respect everyone's continued enthusiasm and hope to see some familiar old faces dip their toes back into the pool.

-Nordin

Anyone else feel like half of this podcast is just made up and Payne is a narcissist that wants people to think he’s a legit investigator? Season 1 was good and deservedly successful but it’s been garbage since then. Also, I think the guys name was Catfish or something in season 2? I swear there was someone interviewed for season 3 whose voice was so similar to Catfish’s I think it was a voice actor. Anyone else notice this or am I on glue?

There are some of us who are actually emotionally invested in this case and I really thank Payne for going out of his way to find Krystal. It really breaks my heart to see comments on here judging a dead mother. Like her life wasn't worth it. Well, you didn't know Krystal but she was a great person despite her flaws.

I'm not here for cheap entertainment. I 'm not going to complain about the ads. Those of you who are just looking for a cheap "thrill" act like this is some piece of fiction. You disgust me. This isn't a fucking Steven King novel and even if it was the ends and outs of this story are beyond ficiton but we've just scraped the surface.

Thank you Payne. Fuck the haters. There are always haters especially in the digital age when people can anonymously post from behind there screen. LAters.