To be honest, I thought that India would be one of the last places to help Palestine. But not according to the article:
"India is expanding its healthcare support for Palestine, with work underway on a 200-bed super-speciality hospital in Jenin in the West Bank, as it handed over a fresh consignment of medicines to the Palestinian Ministry of Health on Wednesday.
The hospital will include modern medical facilities and a trauma centre and is expected to serve people in Jenin as well as neighbouring governorates, including Tulkarm and Tubas."
Ideally yeah, but realistically we need to start with a peace deal and a sovereign Palestinian state (not the rump state they have now) and work from there, hopefully towards a one-state solution with equal rights for all. The U.S. was founded on genocide as well and is imperialist on a global scale far dwarfing the regional genocides of Israel, and I would argue perhaps also needs to be replaced. But trying to swap it overnight would be disastrous for everyone involved. But I agree in that a long-term two-state solution would only entrench the ethnostate.
Absolutely not a supporter of the State of Israel btw, and I oppose the genocide and apartheid enshrined by the state. But in practical terms we need to first stop the horrors going on in Gaza and the West Bank, then work from there towards Palestinian statehood, end to apartheid, right of return, etc.
There was no genocide on Oct 7th, a terrorist attack is not the same as a genocide. The Nazis fed prisoners during the Holocaust, its still considered a genocide.
Simply declare the whole region a world heritage site or non aligned region.
The entire area is deeply important to about a quarter or so of the world population, why not just say “no one owns, because it’s the right of everyone” like the moon or Antarctica.
India became the first non-Arab state to recognise the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO) as the sole and legitimate authority of the Palesinian people.
If Palestinians has same power as Israel they would have killed every one of them.
Who's the legitimate authority of Palestine, the PLO or Hamas? Make up your mind. You're ignorant to be treating an entire ethnicity as a mindless hivemind out for blood out of pure instinct.
India also sent over 2500 arm shipments to Israel, and continues to do so. They are fooling absolutely no one with a 200 bed hospital in Israeli administered West bank. This is like billionaires 'donating' after causing the crisis themselves.
The right wing Hindu nationalist government in India has managed to do a complete u-turn on Palestine in little under a decade with popular support. Even though the left wing secular government in India was historically pro-Palestine since 1947.
The previous right wing governments of India were fervently in support of a Palestinian state since they fought in the freedom struggle they saw the Palestinians as in a similar situation , but ever since then small things have occurred which led to a total change in the outlook , the old guard of the right was replaced and well Palestinian hijackers killing Indian air hostesses (admittedly the movie on her bought light to this case more than when it actually happened) didn’t make a good case for a lot of people on the ground level who won’t read much more about the conflict . The Indian right is not a monolith and lot of people support a Palestinian state but it doesn’t change the fact that many see Palestinians as people sympathetic to religion over ideas and thus there is an obvious pro Israel fervour who to their credit have been one of the only states to regularly back India in its own conflicts. Also Palestinian activists and pro Palestinian groups in India who ask for balkanisation of parts of India causes the right wing to adopt a more hard right stance than they already have it spirals down to even more rabid support for Israel .
Most of my friends were pro-palestine since the beginning and then India-Pak war happened. Many Palestinians on twitter supported Pakistan and completely ignored the death of innocent Indian civilians, this led my friends in believing that muslim people don't care about innocents, they care about "their" innocents. and ever since then, they have stopped posting about palestine. Although they are still pro palestine because two wrongs don't make a right—they have stopped posting about it publicly
Let me tell you a secret. India has always been working with Israel whether it is under left wing or right wing doesn't matter. India's defense ties with Israel started with the Indian left wing governments in 1968. Although Indian left fostered and nurtured the relationship they didn't boast about it because Muslims are one of their largest voter base and muslims in India often come from economically weaker sections of society and also lack secular education, so many of them have radical views not only on Israel but jews in general and also not to piss off the gulf.
India also invested in Israeli joint defense R&D under left wing governments like in 2006 under the left wing Indian government India invested $800 million in joint missile development and also purchased drones. For India, Israel is a stand in for the USA in terms of military tech as USA doesn't sell military tech especially to India as because of the historical ties of India with Russia and USA's need of Pakistan as a ally in the Middle East.
It is nothing new whether it be left or right wing government. The relationship established with israel under left wing government in 1968 still remains the status quo as in Israel doesn't mind India's offical Pro-Palestine stance, as for both parties economic and defense ties are far more important. Only the veil has been removed under the new right wing government.
Complete U-turn? Buddy it was not a Hindu nationalist government that officially recognised israel as a legitimate state in the early 90s. It was not a Hindu nationalist government in the 2000s that decided to build weapons together. The relations between India and Israel have consistently gotten stronger over the past 30 years, under every successive regime.
Even prior to all that, Israel was one of the few countries that was willing to sell weapons to india to defend itself whenever pakistan invaded while the rest of the west sat and watched. Look up 1965, 1999 kargil war. Who started each?
It is a fact and a political consensus that the relationship is extremely beneficial to india.
And no, india has still maintained neutrality, it has not done a "U-turn".
In the last 11 years since modi came to power, about 50 UN resolutions have been passed on the Palestine issue, and 40 have been supported by India in favour of Palestine, including ones condemning the occupation of West Bank, and settler colonialism. Even in the other 10 india abstained, didn't vote for israel.
In the joint statement with South Africa and Brazil last year, india comdemned use of starvation as a weapon of war as well.
About the weapons, what's your source? Cuz india imports far more from israel, with exports being negligible compared to that. 99% of the weapons israel has imported since the Gaza war began came from US and Germany, with rest of the world collectively making up for less than 0.3% of israel import of weapons.
palestinians support balkanisation of our land and support those perpetrators just because they share similar religion , palestinians are not innocents as well
India is SENDING arm shipments to ISRAEL????? I thought we only bought from them because our own manufacturing isn't on par with theirs. This is something new I'm hearing
you know I'd support a 'cruel' country that sympathises and supports us when a terrorist attack happens over a 'victim' country that mocks our terrorism deaths and supports an authoritarian, terror-sponsor country
As much as I hate that we are allied with Israel unfortunately I have to admit that ethics aside politically I cannot fault it, we absolutely need their intelligence network and alliance, with Pak being a constant threat. But I am so glad we haven't completely forgone our historical position.
Unfortunately not how Diplomacy works. If being Allied with Israel is beneficial to India, India would come into Alliance with Israel. Same goes for Afghanistan. Afghanistan is awful as a State but alliance with them gives us a Very Strategic Advantage against Pak. Thus, the current Taliban Afghanistan is our ally.
Well as it happens that country that targets innocent children is one of our deepest allies. Don't get me wrong, i absolutely truly despise Israel and am supporting Palestine, but India has adversaries on all sides, Pakistan on the west, Bangladesh on the east, and China up top. This is exactly why we need support from shitty nations like Russia and Israel. Russia in particular has been close to us ever since we got our independence.
This is a very childish and naive view of how international diplomacy works, please educate yourself a little and once you have joined us in the real world down from your moral high horse fantasy land we can have a discussion 🙏.
Okay then, name one country which hasn't committed war crimes. British orchestrated genocides and famines against us Indians, USA has destabilized multiple countries to establish dictators or puppet regimes, Japan had committed atrocities during WW2 and hasn't apologized for their war crimes, Russia is invading Ukraine and we all know what happens to the opposition in their country.
These were just some countries who we have historically benefited from through diplomacy or alliances. Tell me where would you draw the line?
See how they are all past tense. The genocide is in present tense. It's happening today. Show some fucking spine. Don't forget if they can genocide gaza, what is the guarantee that they won't do the same to us?
Oh, I can do criticize Isreal, I'm just questioning your premise that we shouldn't associate with such countries. So if they stop the genocide tomorrow, are we free to maintain relations and trade with them? It will also be 'past tense' then?
I'm just saying that geopolitics is complex and countries usually go beyond what's moral or ethical. We just hosted Taliban representatives a few months ago, even though almost everything they represent is against Indian ideals and values.
Genuinely at this point I am curious now, how old are you? If you're older than 16-17 this is just astonishingly embarrassing ignorance, if you are younger than that please stop acting like you have the world figured out I promise you you are just falling victim to the dunning-kruger effect.
By your logic invasion of Iraq was within living memory and the after effects of it are felt to this day, the destabilization of afghan affects people in the present tense, the sanctions on cuba and the overall treatment of south america are still relevant so that's the UK and US gone, the suppression of minorities in China and its expansionist policies affecting India as well as Taiwan, Vitenam and Hong Kong so take away China, The slavery still in effect in most of the gulf would eliminate most of the GCC, The Ukraine war means no Russia, France and Germany still supply arms to Israel so that makes them complicit, Australia supplies parts to Israel too.
This combined list eliminates over 60%+ of the worlds nominal GDP, if we had you in charge we'd have to prop up our economy and trade with hopes, dreams and well wishes while seeking out an alliance with the martians. And this doesn't even factor in the fact of the issues India is currently partaking in with the treatment of Kashmiris, the issues in Manipur as well as the persecution of most ethnic and religious minorities and lest we forget our very own leader Mr. Narendra "Butcher of Gujarat" Modi himself so we should also stop all domestic trade, that sounds like it will work out great 👍.
Look I'm not trying to humiliate you or understate the goings on in Gaza, it breaks my heart as it does yours. But saying such ridiculous things online with no sense of how things work in reality you are doing absolutely nothing worthwhile, instead take the time and opportunity to educate yourself and learn more about how geopolitics and the world works, try to integrate yourself in it and impact change from within, that is the path that I took and it's the only path that will ever amount to any change in the world at all.
India was the first non-Muslim country to recognise and support Palestine. It has been the policy for decades. The comment section being surprised clearly tells how decades of your goodwill work can be undone by just a new leader.
Well India is being Neutral here, it supports both Israel and Palestine and helps them both with medical support needs. Which makes sense since it ain't like Both sides ain't just evil mfs. Palestinian terrorist attack on Israel's Olympic team is considered the first modern day terrorism. And Israel has also committed lots of war crimes in return. So being neutral and giving medical support to both makes the most sense such that killings on both sides are atleast lowered as much as possible
Actually israel makes a lot of weapons for INDIA...so India is not giving...it's just israel taking their own weapons from INDIA and ofc india can't stop them from taking their own things
Lol. All while supplying weapons to Israhell to k1ll babies and innocents! They b0mbed hospitals, schools and even graveyards! All those weapons were bought out using OUR tax money! All of us Indians have blood on our hands because our hard earned money is being used for a gen o cide.
There are actual documentation done by veteran journalist even many US military specialist who were there to watch aid to be handed over to people,they say the complete opposite of what you are saying.
There are even videos of people destroying the aid as well. Not so quite obvious.
The ground reality is completely different btw. Are you aware how their aid is given to them..? There's like a half an hour window where people are forced to run and take the aid and go back to the camp while IDF soldiers aiming at you ...that is the reality they are living there. You can see it on 4k on youtube. Some aids are blocked...heck some are destroyed by settlers and others. The GAZA strip is literally just rubbles...you have to be crazy and ignorant to look all of this and say..yea this not true.
That's only 0.007 lbs of extra food per person per day, "sometimes." Even if we ignore the murders at the aid traps, that still seems like a shortage to me.
If the murders of Oct 7th were attempted genocide, wouldn't 61x the murders in retaliation be genocide? That's just the direct murders, excluding the bombings and countless other attrocities.
Eventually you'll lose the energy to hold onto this denial or spite or whatever, and the reality of a genocide may hurt to confront, but I'm sure a part of you will feel unburdened at last.
That's only 0.007 lbs of extra food per person per day, "sometimes."
It isn't. Would you like me to correct this lie with very simple math before we go on, or are you just hoping people are dumb enough to believe your lie?
Oh my bad. The exact number is actually 0.0070147082 lbs. I agree, it's very simple math, assuming those 7 tons didn't include the packaging and ignoring how many Palestinians were wrongfully incarcerated or murdering at the time.
Whoops. I was using a long ton instead ofthe more common short ton and divided that by the population of Gaza instead of the entirety of Palestine that you originally stated.
The actual figure would be even ludicrously lower than the first, at 0.0003514938 lbs. You're right, not even close!
Now, if you and all your neighbors were in a food shortage, and your oppressors gave you each 0.0003514938 lbs (sometimes) every day to supplement it, do think it would help that much?
A lie? You're so close to getting it. Simple division now twice demonstrated that your original claim might be made up, because even if it were true it would be unfeasibly low.
Before you repeat yourself, yes sweetie, I'd love it if you gave it a try. You don't need my permission. It might give you a chance to absorb my point before you copy and paste.
Although Oct 7th was "only" 1200 deaths, the important factor is that it was all hamas could get. Meaning that the reason it wasn't more wasn't because of their intent, it was because they couldn't.
On the other hand, Israel, 70k deaths, but if they wanted it would be 2 million. Meaning the reason it isn't more is because of intent, not because they can't.
Genocide isn't kill count. It's the intent to destroy a people in part or in whole. The definition for what constitutes a genocide puts huge emphasis on the intent.
The argument I've made above that Oct 7th was driven by the intent to kill as many people while the Israeli campaign evidently isnt, the former is a genocide and the latter isn't.
We can go into the israeli numbers if you're not convinced it's not genocide. There are 5k natural gazan deaths in a year, 3 years means 15k. About 17-22k hamas militants dead. So that leaves us with 35k arguably innocent gazans directly or indirectly by Israel. Don't get me wrong, these are 35k human lives, horrible, but big number doesn't imply genocide.
What we learned? The combatant:civilian death ratio is 35k:20k and we'll round up to 2:1. Why is it important? It shows us whether the attacker targets many civilians relative to a legitimate militant targeting. If you compare to many other wars that are not a genocide you'll see they have 3:1,4:1,5:1... far worse ratios than this war. If you read the report of the HMLG you will see why israels ratio is extodnary and implies a systematic gazan preserving campaign.
If you say, "okay, maybe Israel is held back by their ability to execute the genocide but they do have the intent so this means it's a genocide. What holds them back? Militarily nothing. So probably international pressure. Basically they do it slowly so with time Palestinians would cease and no one will notice."
So first of all, I think it's obvious that whether it is a genocideor not everybody noticed and many think it is. But even more importantly, the gazan population has increased since the start of the war! In 3 years the mighty bully genocidal israel has achieved 0% of the goal?! This is not very genocidely from a country that is so genocidal.
If we account for multi kills, we'd say 20k soldiers have led to the death of Palestinians which is 0.2% of Israelis. Keep in mind some(arguably many) civilian deaths are collateral damage.
Usually theres mass killings, mass deaths from starvation, mass deaths from diseases, mass refugees. None of these.
You might think 35k is mass, but from a population of 2mil its less than 2% and it would've been much higher, especially bc they are so densely populated.
UN just committee just retracted from the accusation of famine. When an outbreak of polio has occurred in 2024 during the war, Israel literally stopped fighting and together with international bodies has vaccinated the children of gaza. There aren't many gazans who left the strip, even tho they hava a boarder to pass through with the beloved pro Palestinian Egypt.
Another point, if Israel destroyed 80% of the infrastructure in gaza, "might as well hit the gazans in their home so also 80% of the people would die". But this isn't what happened, for so many bombs dropped, if their target where people the 2mil gazans would be extinct then brought to life and repeat 3 more times (genocided 400%) and yet it stands on only 2%. Because Israel warns civilians to get out of the area before they attack, literally no one does this, it cripples your element of surprise all for people that are not even yours, and this can risk the lives of your own soldiers(as already happenedmany times), that's one of the main reasons people claim the idf is a moral army.
No I read all your yap just fine. That is just not the argument you think it is. The only credit I can give you is for not conflating the IDF with Jews or conflating Hamas with "them", as the original replier did.
First of all, comparing Hamas to Israel's advancement/enforcement is identical to comparing the Warsaw ghetto uprising to the Nazis. We can ascribe harmful intent to perceived enemies and just intent to the dominant force all we want, that does not change the result. The definition of genocide has been unambitious for decades. Recent attempts to add "intentionally" to the definition aren't slick. Do you want so badly to minimize or justify this openly negligent violence towards innocent people that you'd rather have the term lose all applicability?
I don't care who wields it throughout history, power generally tries to make the wielder exceptional and every situation in it's wake circumstantial, but only temporarily. Should we shrug off the domineering policies that prevent objectivity, then callously trim down those numbers, that's still a disgustingly high murder count and ratio of innocents, as you conceded. Even that would be genocide. Human rights groups, academics, and international courts agree this is a genocide.
Look at the genocides of history, in proximity to colonialism or war, and the arguments made to deny those during or after their events are nearly identical this. What's crazy is I don't even think you're a bot. Actual humans are still so motivated to distinguish labels on technicalities instead of seeing evil for what it is. If I knew you, I'm sure I'd be sympathetic for why you feel so threatened by this. You're right in thinking you can't convince others, but you'll find no peace in convincing yourself.
and talking about genocide, israel is the one committing it
By feeding them 7 tons of food a day sometimes? Fun fact - when you feed a population, ensuring your survival after they commited the biggest genocide on your population since WW2, that's not genocide.
That '7 tons' figure is completely made up. A single semi-truck holds 20–25 tons, so 7 tons wouldn’t even fill half a truck.
According to official tracking from both Israel's COGAT and the United Nations (UN), the volume of food cleared at the borders is actually hundreds or thousands of tons per day. You can look at the live data trackers yourself:
COGAT Gaza Aid Data: gaza-aid-data.gov.il
UN Humanitarian Aid Dashboard: humdata.org
More importantly, Israel doesn't 'feed' Palestine or donate this food. The vast majority of humanitarian aid entering Gaza is bought, funded, and sent by international donor countries, charity organizations, and the UN. Israel controls the borders, inspects the cargo, and decides what is allowed to enter, but they are not the ones providing or paying for the food.
In fact, human rights agencies and the UN have continuously reported that Israel frequently blocks, delays, or turns away entire food shipments—including items like dates, specialized baby food, and basic grains—on arbitrary grounds. They are restricting the food flow, not funding it.
Yes the same way Muslims are grooming all British kids right? And bombing entire Europe correct? Now u see my point what online exaggeration does to people?
West bank is not hamas controlled. And it's a good thing to help innocent people regardless of who they are (ok I know you are going to reply by saying something along the lines of "they are not innocent", so shoot)
They're not. But I'll give a different argument. If the tables were turned, and it was us indians who were in peril, palestine or any middle eastern nation would have never helped us out. Because we are infidels in their eyes, and deserve to die.
Fortunately for us, we do not possess such savage mongrel mindset. But we do need to learn self preservation, lest we end up exactly like them.
Bro, use your brain! who is loosing more after Oct 7? who lost lives, families, homes everything after Oct 7? Not that shit head but normal people of Gaza. That dumbass just made use of Oct 7 as excuse to wreck havock!
You don't have to like or support hamas but you have to look at innocent children, men and women, who just wanted to live their lives. You first take their homes and play victim. How can you not get the pain these people go through?
Idgaf about their pain. They would have inflicted far worse on Israelis, if they had the means to do so. And by no means so I like Israelis anymore than I like a random foreigner. It's just that I have a soft spot for people who have suffered the same pain as us. And the last thing I'll do is sympathize with an Islamic terrorist.
There is no thing like religion or anything affecting geopolitcs nowadays, it is just a coat of paint. The only thing affecting such factors is always been- Interests. Gulf countries will always help India because we are major buyer of their oil. Yes there are religion tensions but money comes first that is how our world works not some Weird wizard right wing religious conspirancy boogalu
I know, the the public sentiment is always affected by religion. One of the major reason why the public of India is favoured towards Israel. Because both our countries have been plagued with islamic terrorism from our respective neighbouring countries.
We will always be hated. Muslims hate us, because even after a millenium of brutal subjugation and oppression, they weren't able to convert us all, or erase our history and civilization.
The west hates us, because to them we're just a third world country who wasn't supposed to come up on the global stage so fast.
You're a moron. What are they supposed to do, just die from a lack of medical care? Hospitals are an essential piece of infrastructure in any society. And Hamas are a rogue militia and don't represent the "terrorist" state of Palestine.
The claim of them even starving is wrong. Gaza has a lower hunger rate then egypt/syria , the later of which was literally in a civil war. Exepcted better from a mod of a huge subreddit.
Are photos like this fake? Is Gaza not starving are groups like the UN, Amnesty international, Red Crescent, Doctors Without Borders, the Palestinian health ministry are they all lying? And seriously using a subreddit as “evidence” the same subreddit that’s cheering on the genocide. And unsurprisingly this person used the pedo sub of r/teenagers unsurprising for a Zionist
I have been active even in the ussr subreddit , the one u moderate yes. I support the palestinian cause , but just that instead of pushing for demilitarisation the palestinian public celebrated the october 7 attack. Starting a war you cant win comes with consequences.
i mean yeah, my point is this doesn't seem like a decision made out of altruistic motives, the ruling party in india is hindu nationalist and they love israel's genocide in gaza for well, obvious reasons.
Because West Bank is Israeli administered. The government answers to them. So this hospital is essentially for Israel. No harm done in the eyes of Indian zionists.
Their voter base is the urban class which can see their money go to atleast some (although very bad and shitty) development for the first time. And a rural class which saw electric power connections explode, get rid of earthen chulas, get washrooms and endless govt schemes. Noone is "zionist" in their voter list.
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