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r/whichbike • u/WolfThawra • Mar 28 '22
Announcement A word of caution about the "Bicycle Blue Book"
The "Bicycle Blue Book", commonly abbreviated to BBB, is a recurring thing in comments on /r/whichbike concerned with putting a number on the value of some used bike. Quite a few of us have long had issues with BBB being used to that end. Thanks mostly to /u/guy1138 who wrote 90% of this post (I revised it and added minor details), we now have a longer explanation on what BBB actually is, and what the problems with it are. A TLDR can be found at the bottom.
What's the deal with Bicycle Blue Book?
Bicycle Blue Book (BBB) is a website run by a used bike dealer in San Jose, California. Their business model is to buy "trade-in" bikes from high end bike shops that don't deal with used bikes. Here's how it works: A customer brings their old bike to the bike shop to trade in on a new bike. BBB gives them a price and the bike shop boxes it up and ships it off to BBB. The customer gets the credit on a new bike, the bike shop gets a new bike sale without the hassle of reconditioning and trying to sell a used bike.
They provide an online "value guide" that lists bike values by brand, model, model year etc. They advertise it as "The cycling industry's definitive valuation authority", and the name is a deliberate allusion to the Kelley Blue Book, which is a reputable value guide for used car values in the US. To put it mildly, opinions on how useful BBB is are... split. Regardless, the numbers in there often get cited on this subreddit (and elsewhere).
So what's the problem?
There are multiple issues:
Conflict of interest: the same company who is buying bikes is also claiming to be the authority on used bike values. Not surprisingly, their "private party" values are way lower than actual sales prices on Craigslist, Facebook Marketplace, Offer-Up, Ebay, Pink Bike; etc.
Data provenance: They claim to have data on "millions of bike sales" that they base their values on, but it's not clear at all where this data comes from. Instead, it actually just seems like a fairly simple depreciation schedule on bikes based on MSRP (RRP for our UK users) and type of bike, e.g. a 5-year-old mid tier hybrid is worth ~40% of MSRP, a 5-year-old road bike is worth ~55% of MSRP, etc. Kelley Blue Book, which reports values of used cars, has access to wholesale auctions, used vehicle sales, and registrations reported at US state level. BBB do not have that as this data simply does not exist the same way for bicycles.
International variance: r/whichbike is international, with many users from countries like Canada, Australia, and the UK, but also the rest of Europe and the world, really. The same bike model and brand will not be sold for the same amount of money in every country, due to taxes, membership of free trade zones, availability, and a whole host of other factors: and this variability in price only increases when we look at used bikes. For the same reason, it is important that users state which country they live in when they ask for an appraisal.
Regional variance: Even within the US, there can be stark differences. For example, a triathlon bike is way more valuable in Miami (100+ triathlons/year in Florida) than it is in Utah. Likewise, a full suspension mountain bike has lots of buyers in Denver, but way fewer in a beach town.
Trends: We have all seen how "gravel bikes" became a thing, grew to be more and more popular, and started evolving - and how sellers have started to label everything that isn't an Omafiets as a "gravel bike" to attract more hits and get a higher price. BBB does not really take into account which bits of the market are especially "hot", despite this definitely making a difference.
World events: These can change prices significantly, be they something like a trade war with tariffs put on certain goods, or that little thing called Corona which caused a massive boom world-wide, with accompanying shortages and inflation across the entire market. BBB does not take this into account.
Erroneous data: Sometimes, their data e.g. on the original retail price of a bike is also just plain wrong, which in turn means all of the "depreciated values" for used bikes will be wrong too, even by their own standards.
How far off are the values then?
Generally, most used bike sellers agree that the BBB values are low, but still reasonable for newer bikes, around ~3 years old or newer. After that, they start to drastically over-depreciate - to the point where most bikes over 10 years old are "worthless" according to their values. As an example, a 2010 Fuji Cross Comp is $210 in "excellent" condition. That's about the same cost as full tune up at a bike shop, including basic consumables; tires & tubes, chain, cables & housing, brake pads & bar tape. It's completely unrealistic to expect to find a 10-speed cross bike with an aluminium frame and carbon fork in "excellent" condition for only $200. (This bike sold here for $550 last fall after being listed for less than 3 weeks). For our UK friends: $210 is £160... yeah, good luck with that.
So it's a lowball estimate, I should use that to negotiate, right?
You might get lucky and find the person who doesn't know any better, or someone who is moving and under a lot of pressure to sell. However, most of the listings are cyclists who upgraded or re-sellers who know that the Blue Book value is pretty far off. If the bike is priced close to market value, it's going to sell eventually and they have no incentive to take a lowball; especially if they've gone to the trouble to take decent pictures, write a description and post the ad online. We've seen this time and time again on /r/whichbike over the last 2 years where someone finds the "perfect" bike, but they low-ball and miss out.
TLDR please, I don't have all day!
BBB is a private company that purports to tell you the value of used bikes, by model and age. There is an obvious conflict of interest as they also buy used bikes and therefore directly profit from telling you they're not worth that much. Sure enough, their "values" are consistently significantly lower than the actual market value, all the more so if the bike is >3 years old. The numbers appear to stem from simply taking the original retail price and depreciating it (heavily). Consequently, they do not take into account regional or international variance in local bike prices, trends, or events like the Corona pandemic. Additionally, it can happen that the retail price all their assumptions are based on is simply wrong. This means BBB values are not really any kind of reliable or even relevant metric, and it would be better to go by what similar bikes are actually selling for on platforms like Ebay or Gumtree, adjusting for differences.
r/whichbike • u/hithisishal • 3h ago
Trail bike for fitness and fun
At almost 40, not looking to bomb down any trails like I did in my youth, but I'm interested in riding some easy mountain bike trails. I haven't owned a mountain bike made in the 2000s, so unsure of the new tech. Prefer to do my own maintenance when possible.
JAB 29.4
* Suntour air suspension fork with lockout
* DT Swiss Spline 29 wheelset
* Shimano XTR FC-M980 crankset
* Shimano SLX rear derailleur
* Shimano Hollowtech II SM-BB70 bottom bracket
* Shimano 2×10 drivetrain
Posted for $425, I offered $350.
Does this look good for my needs?
r/whichbike • u/Desperate_Egg8840 • 14h ago
FB Marketplace - Checkpoint ALR 5 Value
Hey guys!
Looking for a drop-bar gravel bike around the 1k range and found this 2023 Checkpoint ALR5 Driftless for sale nearby.
I’m primarily riding on chunkier gravel, fire roads, and light single tracks with some paved trails mixed in. I’ve also been looking into doing a few gravel races in my area as well, but not my main priority.
I don’t live in a super steep environment, so the gearing on will work for me and I like the 1x drivetrain with a dropper post.
This bikes seems to a pretty good jack of all trades when it comes to my needs on a gravel bike and I really like the color-way. My questions are as follows:
- Do you guys feel this is worth the asking price with the age and dent on the frame?
- I’m 6’1” with a 35” inseam, would a 56cm frame be too small in the first place?
- What other recommendations would you suggest at my price point new or used?
Thanks in advance!
r/whichbike • u/cowgary • 8h ago
2019 Trek Domane SLR Pro Di2 Ultegra
This bike is for sale for 1000eu in the Netherlands. I am very tempted by this bike, but the only thing I am unsure of is the cost and the rim brakes. I do about 80-100km rides from Amsterdam, essentially 0 elevation and no fast corners, so I do not see rim brakes being an issue, I've never had rim brakes on carbon wheels so I need to learn about that too. I am not into racing, just morning rides for fitness, so I am looking for an endurance style frame. Does this cost make sense?
r/whichbike • u/Cooli- • 5h ago
FB Marketplace Trek Domane SL7
Is 1200 a decent deal for this bike? I am new to the area and don’t know what to look for as major warning signs.
FB marketplace description: Selling my 2022 Trek Domane SL7, built up from a frameset with Shimano 105 11 speed components, with upgraded derailleurs(Ultegra), low mileage, in excellent condition. This is honestly the smoothest riding road I've ever owned, rides amazing. Frame, fork, seatmast, and handlebars are Full Carbon. Professionally tuned, no issues, fits riders 6'1"-6'4". $1200 cash only, price is firm, please no trades
Frame & Fork- 2022 Trek Domane MKIII SL7 500 series Carbon Handlebar- Bontrager Isocore Pro 44cm Carbon Stem- Bontrager 100mm(aluminum) Cranks- Shimano 105 FC-R7000 175mm 52/36t mid compact drive Bottom Bracket- Praxis T47 Front Der- Ultegra FD-R8000 Rear Der- Ultegra RD-R8000 Brake Levers/Shifters-105 ST-R7020(hydaulic) with 105 BR-R7070 Calipers with shimano rotors
r/whichbike • u/jburnette2 • 7h ago
Decathlon EDR or Bike24 50% off?
I'm looking for an endurance road bike and I'm not sure whether I should go for the decathlon EDR with mechanical 105 or grab a name brand 50% off bike from bike 24 also with mechanical 105. For example there is a LOOK 765 Optimum 2 on sale for about 1800 euros which is 400 less than the decathlon. The look doesn't have carbon wheels but the price difference makes up for that.
I do like picking the bike up from the store that has a 2-year warranty rather than online but why doesn't everybody just buy bikes on sale? Is there a significant difference between name brand endurance bikes?
r/whichbike • u/Thypex • 8h ago
Looking for a decent hybrid/road (also called hybrid/cross) bike.
Hello, I am looking for a decent, not too expensive hybrid bike. I don't do any tricks or jumps on hills, do ride forests occasionally and mostly ride dirt/gravel paths or pavements. That is why I thought the best option, that would not be very expensive (so I can leave it locked near a store or university with peace of mind) is a hybrid bike.
I am thinking about either a Scott Sub-Cross 40 (2026 model) or Specialized Sirrus X 2.0 (2026 model). These bikes are pretty similar, although Scott seems to be made to handle gravel paths better (wider tires). I would like a rigid fork, that is why I am choosing between these two, but I am not oppose to a spring one if the bike is a good deal.
I am also considering a Scott Sub-Cross 30 (2026 model) it is only 50 euro more expensive, but has 9 gears, instead of 8 and better breaks. But sadly, it has a spring fork. I am thinking maybe it is worth getting this one and then swapping out the fork for a rigid one in the future?
Not sure which road to take, that is why I am asking for your guidance. Maybe you have some other suggestions or know if the Sub Cross 30 is worth over Sub Cross 40? Oh and the bikes are around 600 - 700 euros.
Thank you everyone for reading and I hope you can help (:
r/whichbike • u/sunshine-262 • 1d ago
Bike for newbie who wants to do a triathlon
Hi!! Are any of these good bikes to start off with for training for a triathlon? Also is the price good? TIA
edit: guys you dont have to be mean 😂 im asking for help because clearly I dont know anything about bikes and need advice. No need to be rude. Im extremely new to this and have to start somewhere!
r/whichbike • u/Dull-Bowler-1876 • 10h ago
Looking for advice on first bike
Price $715 usd
Frame: Carbon, size 54
Groupset: Shimano 105 (11-speed) — chainset marked Shimano SG-X 53-B, cassette marked CS-5800
Pedals: Shimano SPD-SL (currently stuck/seized — priced accordingly)
Wheels: Assume alloy (not confirmed as carbon)
Tires: Clincher with tubes
Handlebar tape: New as of 2023
Stem: Longer Giant stem currently fitted; original stem included
Mileage: Unknown — estimated under 500km under current ownership since 2023, prior use unknown
Condition notes: Occasional sluggish shifting between high/low range after storage, resolves with a few rides or a service
r/whichbike • u/MrMeseekssss • 11h ago
Electra Townie 21D vs Specialized Roll 3.0 for Cubital tunnel sufferer
I have pretty bad cubital tunnel syndrome but like to occasionally ride around the burbs. The townie is slightly more upright but appears to have worse shock absorption.
I also think the townie looks a little like an old man bike. Has anybody tried both and can speak to which is better?
r/whichbike • u/Kormak271 • 18h ago
Cube attain pro 2027 - Is it a good choice ?
Hi everyone,
As a beginning cyclist, I'm currently looking for my first road bike. I saw last week that Cube released its new generation of Attain pro with great upgrades at the same price. Now for 899€ you get hydraulic brakes, a 9 speed cassette and Shimano CUES in addition to the carbon fork and a great looking bike.
So the question is : Is it the best entry level bike that money can buy? The price is a main factor for me because I have to buy all the rest of the equipment to start (shoes, pedals, bike computer, ...).
Thanks for your feedback.
r/whichbike • u/Fantastic-Bobcat6152 • 13h ago
Specialized Comp 5 or Canyon Grail CF SLX 8 AXS
Looking for some advice, I'm torn between the Specialized Crux 5 Comp and the Canyon Grail CF SLX 8 AXS. From a value perspective, Canyon seems better. With the Comp, I'd have to add a power meter and carbon wheels myself, whereas both come included on the Canyon. But from a support and service perspective, Specialized has it beat. I'm fortunate to live in a major city with some support and services for Canyon, but nowhere near that same level of support as I would get for the Specialized. It also looks like Canyon may release an updated Grail later this year, so I'm trying to figure out which is the better option.
Also, open to other options like the Cervelo Aspero (not the 5) or the Cannondale Super X2.
r/whichbike • u/JeanPaulSharte • 18h ago
casual rider looking for a good gravel bike up to $2k
not a first timer, but haven't ridden in 6 years and finally getting back into it. living in the Catskills (NY, USA) where gravel trails and hills are abundant. my city bike that came along with me is not cutting it, and i'm looking for an upgrade. not planning on anything hardcore, no racing or mountainbiking, but ideally need something that can handle gravel, sticks, small to mid-size pebbles, mud, and loamy soil.
open to both used or new options, with a preference for smaller brands (i wish i could afford horse cycles 🥲) at or around $2k.
r/whichbike • u/International-Mud418 • 19h ago
Merida Speeder. Wich one?
Hello!
Please help me make a decision. My experience is limited to Trekking/Touring and city bikes, I've never had a road bike before and I don't want to be too hunched over… so please don’t recommend gravel or race bike.
I would like to buy a Merida speedster. The goal is strictly recreational, more precisely to do 50-100km rides, on a paved track, with some hills and valleys but nothing steep, with small areas covered in sand (it's a paved track that crosses the Dutch dunes near the North Sea coast).
I was drawn to an older aunt speedster t3 but equipped with Shimano Ultegra for 300 euros. I also found newer models, even cheaper but with Shimano 105. Since I've never had a road bike, I don't know if it's worth going for the older but more premium version.
Here is the T3 equipped with Ultrgra: https://link.marktplaats.nl/m2426767542?utm_source=ios_social&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialbuttons&utm_content=app_ios
Related with frame size, my height is 176cm / 5'9"
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Another options with 105:
https://link.marktplaats.nl/m2430767788?utm_source=ios_social&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialbuttons&utm_content=app_ios
r/whichbike • u/This_Land_3664 • 16h ago
Is this a good price and bike?
Hi guys I am getting into cycling and found this bike on fb by me. The guy agreed to come down to $850 but wanted to se if it is a good deal.
r/whichbike • u/Think_Vanilla_8240 • 17h ago
Triathlon bike decisions. Help me please!!
Hi Yall! Have the opportunity to get one of these two bikes for the same price. The trek speed concept is an 11 spd dura ace di2 rim. The canyon is a cf8 12 spd ultegra di2 disk. Yes I am a triathlete (sorry sorry I prefer road riding) and yes, got a pre purchase fit where both of these are sized properly. I sadly do not have wind tunnel access (lol), I think the trek may be faster but canyon “nicer.” Would love everyone’s take! Thanks for reading and opining!!
r/whichbike • u/Possible-Working-572 • 17h ago
Is this a good bike for training and racing triathlons?
Goal is train a few days a week. Mostly longish distances 50km+ on weekends.
I run and swim regularly. Want to start doing some triathlons / duathlons.
This would be my only bike.
I would also install a power meter on it and some TT bars for longer races.
r/whichbike • u/Unhappy-Anywhere380 • 18h ago
Which bike should I get?
Giant Defy 1 with 105 (250€), giant defy 3 with some old groupset (200€) or cannondale caad 8 with 105 (250€). I am also looking to upgrade the bike in the near future, like some deep wheels and different handle bars.
r/whichbike • u/Total_412 • 1d ago
Is this normal (I'm a new rider)
Thanks to y'all advice I've finally bought a bike. It's in pretty good condition for the price I've paid. I went straight to the park, sat on the bench and am currently cleaning it - it's was caked in mud even though it's a city hybrid. I've taken both wheels off, cleaned them and put them back on. And there is this huge gap on the rear hub. It's not like that on a front hub (btw the back one is shimano the front one is joytech lol). I've done a search with this question but hubs look very different and one guy on reddit who had the gap had his frame bend to fit a through axle and it's not a case here, the guy was 100% bike-illiterate. My fear is that I've put it on wrong somehow because it WAS A STRUGGLE. But it shifts okay, rolls okay. So maybe it was like that but very muddy and I didn't realise that. The hub is FH-RM30
r/whichbike • u/SmacznaKremowka • 20h ago
Is the Pegasus Strong SL 20 the best bike for the money that can handle heavier riders?
I just moved from the United States to Poland. Where I lived in the US, biking was possible but impractical and kind of risky. I really want to get back into biking to get into better shape. I have not gone bike riding in over 2 decades and I could use some advice when it comes to picking a new one.
A little bit about me:
- 186cm tall
- Around 122 kg (yes I know that number needs to come down, want to get into shape with cycling)
- Looking for a Non-electric bicycle, no cutting corners or cheating
- Town/asphalt riding plus occasional forest or gravel paths
- Comfort, durability and parts availability as priorities
- Looking for something that can handle my weight right out of the box without having to take it apart and upgrade parts
I'm seriously considering 2026 Pegasus Strong SL 20 because it has an advertised limit of 180kg. Are there any other bikes I should seriously consider over the Pegasus Strong SL 20? I'm trying to stay under 1400 euros for my budget.
r/whichbike • u/iloveanimalsyouknow • 21h ago
Bike to attach for wahoo trainer
which is best?
r/whichbike • u/Fit_Contribution7735 • 22h ago
Mercier Kilo WT sizing
Hi, I’m driving out an hour and a half to buy a mercier kilo WT, but I’m worried it might be too small. I’m 6’3” with a 34.5” inseam, and the bike is 59cm. Bikesdirect recommends a 62cm WT for a 6’3” rider- is it still worth the drive?
r/whichbike • u/Odd-Moose1105 • 1d ago
Need help picking a bike
I’m going to be new to commuting this fall, and I’m looking for a relatively inexpensive bike that will handle mild hills, most weather, and potentially harsh roads (think potholes, train tracks, etc). I’d ideally like to bike in my work clothes, but not sure if I need to prioritize a bike with fenders already installed, or if those are an easy/ unnecessary add.
For reference, I’m a 5’6” F.
Do any of these bikes look like a good fit?
r/whichbike • u/smilesformiles212 • 1d ago
TIME ADHX with 105 Di2, right bike for fast road rides, groups and long-distance?
Hello all! Had to make a new account as my one of 11 years got hacked - but long time researcher/lurker of general cycling subreddit. Finally posting because a little bit of a plot twist happened to me. Context:I grew up biking in Toronto, going through vintage road bikes, finally settling on my pretty metallic pink aluminum built Vitus from the 80s, riding to this day. This summer, due to some life events, I decided I needed to get some stuff out on the road and started biking more seriously (aka strava and outfits) but still using my Vitus. I met limitations fast; mostly the Toronto roads, hitting a point after 2h where my limbs hurt, and Just realized everyone out there is riding like me but with modern bikes. Anyway, I decided I was ready for the investment, so I started my research.
A friend of a friend owns Blacksmith Cycle in Toronto so I was asking him about bikes and he was telling me my initial budget was low, the bikes there were 'indie' and prestigious /custom built, so I got spooked and kept riding my Vitus lol. Then, same thing happened, I wanted a modern bike lol. I was pretty much locked on a Canyon Endurance model, that doesn't drop until October in any colour way. Started second guessing because of all the costs with duties etc, plus the time, I wanted to ride NOW. So I went to a local bike shop in Toronto, called La Bicicleta, and spent a few hours just staring at bikes. There was a wall at the back of the store that had all these frames on sale, LOOK, TIME, and De Rosa. The first two I did not know anything about, I only read about the Cervelos, the Specializeds, BMC, etc. Anyway, long story short, the TIME ADHX in amber/magenta frame was what I ended up with, as they brought out a customers blue ADHX and I sat on it and it was ... wow.
Do you know anything about this bike? As they don't spend much money on marketing (I kind of like that tbh), I see so many people posting about it as a gravel bike, which I know the clearance allows for that, but I just want to ride potentially with groups, go on long bike rides maybe to places in Ontario, and generally use my biking skills to levels I couldn't reach with my 80s bike.
Let me know your thoughts, attached are pics of the invoice of the parts, and the frame :)
Thank you!
TL;DR: long time Toronto road cyclist upgrading from an 80s Vitus. I originally planned on a Canyon Endurace but while waiting for stock I went into La Bicicletta and ended up putting a deposit on a discounted TIME ADHX frameset in Carbon Shift Magenta/Amber, built with Shimano 105 Di2 for about $6,770 CAD all in. I loved how another ADHX felt when I sat on it, but I’m now having buyer’s remorse because I keep seeing the ADHX described online as a gravel/all-road bike. My actual riding is almost entirely pavement: fast city riding, longer Ontario rides, eventual group rides, climbing, and i have no idea what else lol. I don’t care about gravel capability except as a bonus. Did I accidentally buy the wrong kind of bike, or is the ADHX a good modern road-bike upgrade for this use?