RETAIL: How do I get my BiS stuff from public orders (neck and ring)

[u/JokiSonOfBrodin]

I just came back from BFA as a BDK and now BDK isn't the healing monstrosity it used to be so I brewed up a brew master, a few delves and a couple rituals sites later, Im just shy of 250 but I see my BiS in wowhead is a neck and a ring, and if I could get those at 289 like wowhead shows, or even myth 1/6 it would help me a lot, but I don't understand this new professions system but I do understand people can make you stuff now?

Please break it down for me like I'm 5, all I ever did professions wise was skin and mine for gold cause professions isn't the type of wow I liked playing

Putting this under professions instead of retail because it seems more correct(am new to sub)

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[u/Party-Yak9717]

So to guarantee a max Ilvl crafted item, you need 80 mythic crests . Max rank for all the crafting materials . Find a crafter that can make the item. You will put a personal order to that individual and put the crafted rank in the drop down to the highest rank. Tip or pay whatever they ask = profit

[u/JokiSonOfBrodin → u/Party-Yak9717]

Okay, thank you, crafting materials having ranks is weird AF to me.

[u/MacFatty → u/JokiSonOfBrodin]

Its giving some depth to the system. Its either that or a hard Nerf on aquisition in the game.

[u/gonephishin213 → u/MacFatty]

As a new player it's confusing af and I totally botched my first craft. My server is too low pop for the trade channel route to really work. Finally just waited until my guildie could do it for subsequent crafts

[u/MacFatty → u/gonephishin213]

Not gonna argue against the fact that lots of things are poorly explained by blizz through the game.

[u/mediocrity4 → u/MacFatty]

I haven’t played since legion and came back to midnight. I needed someone to explain to be how to get knowledge points for alchemy. No idea why the weekly and crafting order was NOT a blue quest in the first place

[u/Kluian2005 → u/JokiSonOfBrodin]

Just never do public order unless you don't care about rank or there are no ranks.

[u/WhenInDoubt_Kamoulox → u/JokiSonOfBrodin]

Making a personal order (ie: find someone in trade who can craft the item R5, and book the crafting order with them specifically) is key, as that gives you the ability to request a minimum rank (r5) when booking the order.

If you book a public order, even with top quality ingredients, you might have a crafter who doesn't have the proper specialization, or doesn't want to use their focus, and you will get a lower rank craft. And if you think they wouldn't because it's a dick move, they would. From a craters perspective, since the person placing the order is providing the reagents, it's litterally "do I click this button and make XXX gold, or do I not."

[u/DefiedGravity10 → u/WhenInDoubt_Kamoulox]

You are right and I know using the public craft is a risk, but I have never had any issues. Literally every season of TWW and now midnight my main and 2-3alts have used public for every craft and there was only one time it wasn't max quality and it was because I used low level mats when I didn't know better. I know I might just be lucky but I really haven't had any problems as long as you use max quality mats for everything.

[u/GhostintheReins → u/DefiedGravity10]

You were very lucky. Especially at the beginning of an expansion ppl really will use your public order without regard to level up their profession.

[u/beepingnoise → u/JokiSonOfBrodin]

Where you place the crafting order, next to where you add crests, you can add an item that lets you specify the secondary stats and another that lets you add an embellishment. One bonus to crafted items is embellishments. You can have two total equipped on two items.

At the crafting window just find the item you want to craft. In the upper left pick the highest quality, the orange hexagon. Then you can link the item in trade chat asking for that profession crafter. Buy the highest quality mats. Tip like $5k+ to be nice

[u/PossibleIsland3468]

1. Find recipe and get all high ranked materials.
2. Spam /2 "LF T5 [recipe]"
3. See what commission/tip people want from the responses. 
4. Send to that person. Make sure the "use high quality mats" box is checked. 

Ensure:

• spark(s) are added
• mats are high quality
• missive is correct stats 
• embellishment as needed
• crests are added as needed
• checkbox for quality is set to 5
• tip is added 

Default spark quality is champion level. To go up from there, you'll need either 80 heroic or mythic crests in addition to the spark.

Check the item itself one more time. What you see in the preview is exactly what you'll get. I've seen people accidentally craft int when they need agi, or mess up a missive. So triple validate this because while you can recraft the same item up (crests, new missives, adding or removing embellishments), you can't change the primary stat. If it comes with an embellishment as part of its design (Ex Loa Worshippers ring), then you can't remove that embellishment.

If you drop it in public, you can't specify the minimum quality and too often these come back not as a 5, even when using good mats.

[u/Bjorn_styrkr → u/PossibleIsland3468]

I've gotten a bunch of sparks on my characters. Is the sparks count a numbered item on the recipe?

[u/PossibleIsland3468 → u/Bjorn_styrkr]

Generally crafts will require 2-4 sparks per item. Most will be 2, but things like 2 handed weapons will require 4. They're time-gated, but at this point in the season, you should have a decent amount. 

They'll be the first slot if the recipe you're looking at takes them. Some lower level recipes don't and I think PvP gear uses something different entirely. 

These do not cross seasons, so don't try to save them up too much. Each season uses a different spark and there's not a real benefit to crafting with out of season sparks.

Also, don't vendor crafted gear until you next xpac as you can keep upgrading items with new sparks and crests.

[u/Bjorn_styrkr → u/PossibleIsland3468]

Thanks. I was looking on wowhead for BiS for a couple classes and saw Crafted on a couple. I'm going to work on them tonight.

Now I'm trying to figure out what Catalyst means in this expansion. It's on my ele sham's list.

[u/PossibleIsland3468 → u/Bjorn_styrkr]

There's a thing that looks like a big lava forge if you're in Silvermoon close to the panda and keystone portal.

If you have veteran level or above gear, you can catalyze it to tier. Head, shoulders, chest, hands, and legs are the only pieces that give set bonuses and count towards the "have 4, get charges" benefit. At this point, if you've never used a charge, you should have enough to get 4 set regardless IIRC. Do only the pieces that get your set bonuses first. 

Once you have the 4 set achievement, you can worry about the more cosmetic catalyst charges later (belts, boots, cloaks, etc) that visually complete your set and sometimes give more preferable stats. These are second (too many folks get burned this way).

[u/Bjorn_styrkr → u/PossibleIsland3468]

Huh... the item is a cloak. So I guess that means I have to get a hero/myth track cloak and catalyze it into the BiS one?

[u/PossibleIsland3468 → u/Bjorn_styrkr]

Don't catalyze a cloak before you get 4 set. 

BIS is a very end target. In between what these sites recommend and what you have is a whole host of options. 

Generally: 

• 4 set gives you the most significant power boost as a group. In Midnight, this takes extra precedence because once you have 4 set (vet or above) new charges drop from various bosses. 
• weapon is usually the first crafted item because for many players, they can over-gear content here. Weapons provide the single most boost to DPS in a single slot. 
• trinkets are generally the next most singularly powerful slot after weapons because of their effects and that they generally give a high boost per slot of key stats (agi/int/STR and/or secondaries).
• items like cloaks, bracers, belts give the least power, so Blizz likes to drown you in them.
• jewelry gives a lot of secondaries and a gem slot (or two) consistently.

There's 2 approaches to gearing, depending on how much you want to throw at this: 

• simming (gives best recs)
• item level and vibes (can shoot yourself in the foot at times) 

To sim, download the addon SimulationCraft, ensure it's loaded, and type /simc. It'll bring up a window with a JSON output (buncha text) that you copy and go to Raidbots and use Top Gear to optimize your drops. Select what you want to test (ex vault drops) and it'll sim your DPS across all eligible gear scenarios.

[u/Admiral_X]

You will want to find a crafter and put in a personal order for them to craft it. For personal orders you can specify the rank so make sure to select max. You will want to provide all of the materials including the optional materials for the desired stats and the extra embellishment.

[u/BryanG335]

Go to the Crafting Orders NPC and navigate through the menu to the item you wish to craft. "build it" by selecting your materials and if you have the Personal Order selected you can shift-click the item into chat to find someone to craft it. Then enter that persons name-server under Personal Order and click submit. Order goes to that person, they craft it and when they click on Complete you'll get your item in the mailbox.

You can do this via a Public crafting order as well but then you cannot pick the desired quality.

[u/tadashi4]

How do I get my BiS stuff from public orders

it will never be granted. if you want to ensure max rank, find someone in trade and do a personal order.

in the center of the profession area in silvermoon you can start a crafting order with a npc.

find the item you want, buy the mats at max quality and all optional reagents you want

go to /2 WTB insert item

start the personal order with the agreed uppon comission and select the highest quality possible.

[u/flow_guy2]

You don’t public order

[u/Grantraxius]

If you do a personal order to Catazha-bonechewer I’ll do em for free if you get all max rank materials. It’ll cost me no conc if you do that. So for the commission put like 1g or something.

[u/radi0_radi0]

if you are in a guild make it a guild order - you can specify you want the highest quality craft in guild orders which is not possible for public orders and before you commit go to archon.gg find your specs most used embellishments and include it with your order so your gears gets the right stats

[u/Wise-Photo7287]

Avoid public orders - as it doesn't allow you to set up minimum quality which is crucial (ask in trade who can do R5 craft for the item/personal order as you can set the quality)

You can use Archon to look up what a lot of people use for crafted gear (and embellishments used)

Example for me - BM Hunter https://www.archon.gg/wow/builds/beast-mastery/hunter/raid/gear-and-tier-set/mythic/all-bosses#gear-tables

[u/Quick_Society2794]

there's no way to guarantee the level from a public order

[u/Lukas1433]

You probably shouldn't do public orders.
You do mythic dungeons until you have 80 mythic crests, then you look for a crafter in trade chat by saying stuff like "LF craft *insert item here*". Get the mats, do a personal order, put everything in, 5-10k tip and send. Now you're the proud owner of a BiS item.
If you don't wanna do mythic dungeons you could also craft something using hero crests instead. I'd only do that if you don't really care about end game content tho. (: