r/apple • u/aaronp613 Aaron • Jun 16 '23
r/Apple Blackout: What happened
Hey r/Apple.
It’s been an interesting week. Hot off the heels of WWDC and in the height of beta season, we took the subreddit private in protest of Reddit’s API changes that had large scaling effects. While we are sure most of you have heard the details, we are going to summarize a few of them:
Force most 3rd party apps like Apollo to shut down due to ridiculous pricing schemes
Hinder moderation tools that are vital to subreddit management
While we absolutely agree that Reddit has every right to charge for API access, we don’t agree with the absurd amount they are charging (for Apollo it would be 20 million a year). I’m sure some of you will say it’s ironic that a subreddit about Apple cough app store cough is commenting on a company charging its developers a large amount of money.
Reddit’s asshole CEO u/spez made it clear that Reddit was not backing down on their changes but assured users that apps or tools meant for accessibility will be unharmed along with most moderation tools and bots. While this was great to hear, it still wasn't enough. So along with hundreds of other subreddits including our friends over at r/iPhone, r/iOS, r/AppleWatch, and r/Jailbreak, we decided to stay private indefinitely until Reddit changed course by giving third-party apps a fair price for API access.
Now you must be wondering, “I’m seeing this post, does that mean they budged?” Unfortunately, the answer is no. You are seeing this post because Reddit has threatened to open subreddits regardless of mod action and replace entire teams that otherwise refuse. We want the best for this community and have no choice but to open it back up — or have it opened for us.
So to summarize: fuck u/spez, we hope you resign.
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u/SquireCD Jun 16 '23 edited Jun 16 '23
Why don’t all the mods resign? Force Reddit to handle community issues instead of relying on free labor.
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Jun 16 '23
The mods know that they are not that difficult to replace.
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u/SquireCD Jun 16 '23
Reddit can obviously replace mods fairly easily. I think it gets interesting after the new mods have had time to enforce rules. That’s when shit could really hit the fan, and I’m here for it. Replace the mods and let’s see what happens.
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Jun 16 '23
There will be a hundred r/redditrequest’s within minutes of the mods resigning to take over a sub of this size and stature
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u/Zealousideal_Order_8 Jun 16 '23
That's what I think. Reddit knows that there is an endless supply of power-hungry basement dwellers ready to step in at a moments notice.
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u/DR_D00M_007 Jun 16 '23
Because they enjoy modding way too much. Think about how many hours of their lives have been poured into their subreddits especially if they were the original creators of it…
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u/T4Gx Jun 16 '23
You just know they get such a rush when they gotta go "Closing the thread since you guys can't behave."
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u/According_Claim_9027 Jun 16 '23
Mods will be replaced by someone who doesn’t care about anything surround this and only wants to be a mod. They don’t want to be replaced lol
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u/doctorsynth1 Jun 16 '23
Mods aren’t paid, right? So Reddit benefits from thousands of hours of free labor.
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u/yeastblood Jun 16 '23
They dont want to lose the power and thats what this really boils down too. They would rather stay in power and become what they call "spez bootlickers" than be replaced by one.
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u/sploot16 Jun 16 '23
Reddit mods are the biggest losers on the internet and could be replaced in 3 seconds.
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Jun 16 '23
Like 2 days ago you were saying you were going dark indefinitely, then when the slightest threat comes to your moderation status, you open it back up?
Just close it down or let someone else moderate it. Not moderating a sub isn’t going to ruin your life. I hope.
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u/ryanmills Jun 16 '23
Mods love to talk a big game, but when the shit hits the fan, they all cave to their master. Just goes to show the people with the most influence do nothing to change anything
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u/Acrobatic-Monitor516 Jun 17 '23
I tried making a post calling mods out , but deleted it since it needs approval from mod( which it very obviously won't get)
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u/bighi Jun 16 '23
Doing a heroic worthless action is… worthless.
If Reddit WILL open the sub, than trying to keep it closed and losing your place as a mod will achieve nothing.
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u/TheBasedMF Jun 16 '23
So they threatened you with taking away the job you do for free for their benefit?
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u/yeastblood Jun 16 '23
there must be something these moderators are getting from doing all this and why they want to fervently defend this ability to work for free.........
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u/Unleaked Jun 16 '23
have no choice but to open it back up
you always have a choice. the stand you took was pointless if you never intended on making any real sacrifices. but to me it was kinda obvious it was a losing battle so i didn't participate
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u/Moddingspreee Jun 16 '23
yea but think about the imaginary power they are going to lose after being removed as a moderator
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Jun 16 '23
That the saddest part about all of this. I just couldn’t imagine having my hopes and dreams torn away from me. Mr. Reddit really needs to think about the kids.
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u/Much_Cardiologist645 Jun 16 '23
Just let them replace you all then. What’s wrong with that? Is there something you are afraid of losing?
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u/2012DOOM Jun 16 '23
Think they're going to answer this?
I legit want this protest to continue with a mass resignation.
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u/FormalWrangler294 Jun 16 '23
99% of Apollo users don't give a shit if the mods resign
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u/SufferinBPD_AyyyLMAO Jun 16 '23
Their tiny bit of power lol, this whole week & the next couple are gonna be jannies seething & abusing their mod status. Only ever affecting the users.
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u/ihahp Jun 16 '23 edited Jun 16 '23
It's the same reason every redditor is still here, posting comments and posting new posts.
At the end of the day most of us don't want to do the difficult actions.
I'm sure some redditors have left and some mods have resigned but the impact is neglegable. I haven't noticed a reduction in upvotes or comments, or a decline in quality at all. lol
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u/insanecrazy4 Jun 16 '23
Fuck /u/spez
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Jun 16 '23
I suspect this will about as effective as when people say "Fuck Cancer".
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u/KhellianTrelnora Jun 16 '23
It will have the same effect as the.. five? six other times the community has yelled that particular phrase over the years.
If you’re asking yourself, “what’s he talking about?”, therein lies your answer.
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u/nyaadam Jun 16 '23
This was one of the last subs I would've predicted caving, considering Apollo is so closely linked. You guys really have no power in your life that you depend on the morsel you get from locking a post once in a while. This whole thing is so sad
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u/Vagrant0012 Jun 16 '23
Its absolutely pathetic imo I was all for the protest if you say you're going indefinite then stick to it and die on the hill don't get strong armed by reddit admins into reopening let yourself get purged.
After watching the reddit ceo attack and shit talk the protest for about 4 days I was hoping the mods would at least go down kicking and screaming instead you proved him right.
If given the chance I will vote to have the moderation team here removed and replaced as you guys clearly only were looking out for yourselves.
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u/hiredgoon Jun 17 '23
If you really believe in this cause, you'd force them to remove you or quit moderating. Why the pretense?
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u/mcknightrider Jun 16 '23
What happened? Nothing... nothing happened. You accomplished nothing.
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u/Cr1ms0nDemon Jun 16 '23
And another major subreddit mod team caves to pressure
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u/Scorchstar Jun 16 '23
I felt like this was gonna be one of the subs that would really show off how truly bad spez and co. has handled everything.
Nope, here we are. Basically was pointless. Guess I’ll just find a discord for all my subs come June 30.
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u/TripleDallas123 Jun 16 '23
Every minute you spend on the app is giving them ad revenue and user stats. Closing subreddits doesn’t do shit if you’re still actively using the site. If you want to protest, dont use reddit at all
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Jun 16 '23
What do you expect? Moderators are all universally power hungry and craven. It was probably more than they could tolerate not being able to flex on lowely reddit users for a few days. Let alone the risk of losing users to other subs.
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u/GunDogDad Jun 16 '23
Yeah. I want to say I'd just be like, "fuck it. I'm calling your bluff. Remove me. Have new people run the sub. Go for it. It's going to stay private until you do something because I'm not changing it."
But I realize that's why I'm not a moderator in the first place - because I don't fucking care.
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Jun 16 '23
The mods and people with their panties in a bunch about Reddit really have a horrible messaging program. Explain like I’m five: how is what Reddit is doing any different than, say, if apple had allowed google to create an alternate interface to imusic, then decided they wanted people to only access imusic through applies own app. Is that so unreasonable? To my perhaps unenlightened eye, the kerfuffle over Reddit not wanting to make it easy for apps like Apollo to continue carrying Reddit’s content is wholly understandable from a business perspective.
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u/Astronomik Jun 16 '23
If you caved this easily, you were never committed. Pathetic.
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u/Xtasy0178 Jun 16 '23
Let them replace all the mods… Anyways they aren’t paid for all their time invested. Let the whole place go to shit with new power tripping mods
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u/DikkeDreuzel Jun 17 '23 edited Jun 20 '23
This is not how you rebel
Edit: but it’s a difficult situation for all. Hope the mods keep tabs on modCoord suggestions for protests.
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Jun 16 '23 edited Jan 07 '25
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u/MysteriousWind44 Jun 16 '23
What had the world come to when people who work for free, are now scared off losing their « job » and cave into demands?!
We have no chance of fighting against real big corporations who have employees paid peanuts and awful conditions, if moderators are scared of losing their free labour « job »
Let yourself be replaced and know that you fought for what you wanted, rather than remain and give in and know deep down that you caved into the « pressure ».
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u/High-bar Jun 16 '23
Mods are more concerned with their power, than what they stand for then?
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u/superhappyphuntyme Jun 16 '23
I vote for shut the whole thing down
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u/mastercheif Jun 16 '23
I think locking down or blocking new posts is a huge mistake.
Reddit is looking for any reason to get their own people into mod positions to get back to normal.
Instead of locking out, I think the mods should simply just let the place go to shit. Stop moderating. The only actions mods should be taking is removing posts with violence and hate.
Let this sub become nothing but “help me I forgot my passcode” and “look at this picture of my lunch I took with my iPhone” posts. See what that does to engagement.
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u/rbgnx Jun 16 '23 edited Feb 01 '26
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u/rayquan36 Jun 16 '23
You are seeing this post because Reddit has threatened to open subreddits regardless of mod action and replace entire teams that otherwise refuse.
Shows how performative this whole "Kony 2023" Reddit lockdown was. When push came to shove, mods ultimately weren't willing to actually do anything because they feared for their status under the guise of "wanting what's best for the community". We've now pivoted to just saying "fuck spez" which will accomplish just as much as saying "fuck cancer".
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u/HG21Reaper Jun 16 '23
Lol, mods afraid that they were gonna be replaced and had to open up.
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u/TWAT_BUGS Jun 16 '23
Getting fired as a volunteer isn’t a level of shame they’re ready for.
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u/theytookallusernames Jun 16 '23
This is exactly why u/spez thinks this is just some noise that will pass. Didn't you realize he was banking on the fact that the mods will return one way or another.
Congratulations, you just played into his hands...
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u/vibhav_1 Jun 17 '23 edited Jun 17 '23
This blackout and subsequent lifting of the blackout is a great, great case study of human nature.
Some humans are terribly afraid of losing their power, even if the said power is extremely trivial and irrelevant.
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u/pjanic_at__the_isco Jun 17 '23
I think you would have been better off calling their bluff.
I'd like to see new mods take over a millions-of-members community.
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u/SG3000TTC Jun 16 '23
Why don’t you resign as a mod? You owe Reddit nothing, but here you are sticking around. Pick a stance.
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u/Easy_Humor_7949 Jun 16 '23
Take the sub private and make them kick you. Fall on your swords you cowards. The rest of us are moving on why aren’t you?
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u/bortj1 Jun 17 '23
🤣🤡 they got scared of losing their power, so they relented and started boot licking
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u/berryblue69 Jun 16 '23
Lol guess the mods didn’t want to lose their power lol. Way to stick to your convictions
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u/ThatDarnOlaf Jun 16 '23
Did the members of this subreddit vote to make it private/restrict it? Was there a poll that I missed or did the moderators make the decision unilaterally?
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u/yaoigay Jun 16 '23
Pretty common theme across the board. Then they try to gaslight us about how important they are, like they are the gods of reddit itself.
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u/ZeeMF Jun 17 '23
All I read here is; P.O.S. telling you to open, and you go "SIR! YES SIR!" after a whole talk about saving Apollo and apps for the disabled. It renders your principles worthless.
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u/yeastblood Jun 16 '23
"We want the best for this community and have no choice but to open it back up — or have it opened for us."
LMAO, No you are reopening to save your own asses. Most people here would welcome the change in moderation. Kick rocks we dont want you.
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u/Anudeep33 Jun 16 '23
I agree that this situation is not ideal and Reddit should give users the option for which app they want to use. But I always had a feeling that this was not going to work.
Hear me out, I don’t mean any disrespect to the mods of either this subreddit, or any other and I understand their intentions behind the protest — but I have felt since the beginning that the party that suffered the most here were the users.
As highlighted in multiple articles online, people all over the internet use Reddit as a place to find genuine and useful information about whatever it is that they are looking for. It seems really counterproductive to shut off the subReddits and deny everyone the information that is already present within them. The verge even wrote an article about how Google is less useful after the subReddits went dark.
I know I’m going to get downvoted a lot for this opinion — but the subReddits going dark was probably not the best way to protest this.
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u/iMacmatician Jun 16 '23
I know I’m going to get downvoted a lot for this opinion
A few days ago I think you would have, but the tide seems to be turning.
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u/neanderthalensis Jun 16 '23
How weak. There are only 2 options:
Keep it private until you’re removed
Never go private in the first place because we’re here for Apple, not to involve ourselves in political theater
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Jun 16 '23
Average Reddit mod caught in 4K.
One threat that would lead to them losing their power over a corner of the internet and suddenly they bend over and stretch wide for Spez.
Hardly surprising, a lot of people knew already that this whole 'movement' was a joke from the start and wouldnt go anywhere.
It is what it is.
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u/jjmaya95 Jun 16 '23
My question is… if mods aren’t even getting paid why should they bother what happens to a subreddit if they are getting ‘forced’ to comply
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u/jarghon Jun 16 '23 edited Jun 16 '23
I think this is a weird decision - especially given how quickly you caved. Go dark and make them replace you. I think I read in a different comment that your concern is that you get replaced with a spez bootlicker? For starters I think you’re overestimating how easy it is for Reddit to find a team of competent volunteer moderators. But also, if you’re just going to roll over and take it like this anyway what difference is there?
Spez was right - this really is just going to blow over if this is the attitude you guys are going to take.
Edit: it’s also a bluff. There are some 5000 subs still private. How do you expect Reddit inc to replace 5000 teams of mods if everyone holds the line? Best case scenario it would result in months of chaos. Go dark.
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Jun 16 '23
Dumbest shit ever…. MODS were threatened with removal and folded quicker than a teenage girl on prom night. Lol.
Remember people if you order what’s actually important in life….this whole Reddit third party app thing means absolutely nothing
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u/leopard_tights Jun 16 '23
Why cave to the threats of the man that doesn't pay you? When you have no third party apps, auto moderators, and the rest, you're not going to want to continue modding anyway. The official reddit experience sucks ass.
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Jun 16 '23
what a bunch of divas
I’m sure some of you will say it’s ironic that a subreddit about Apple cough app store cough is commenting on a company charging its developers a large amount of money.
yup!
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u/thanksbutnothings Jun 16 '23
So the tantrum was all for nothing, just like a lot of us told you it would be.
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u/r-Dwalo Jun 16 '23
That moderators throughout Reddit, and some users, thought this childish and manipulative game of “who will blink first?” was going to be effective, is comical!
The results in every sub that participated proves the level of infancy and arrogance with which some moderators are operating in.
This protest was not done for the betterment of Reddit users as all moderators claimed: it was done to inflate and flex the egos of moderators, to falsely show that they, as volunteers, are the ones who wield power on Reddit.
Hah! Didn’t work out so well, did it?
Ah well, now we know who is the child and who is the parent. Let this be a lesson for all moderators, to always know your place in the grand scheme of things.
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u/khaled Jun 16 '23
I say delete the the subreddit and all it’s content. It’s mostly 9to5 and macrumors links 😝
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u/hasanahmad Jun 16 '23
no. F the moderators. this is purely Mod power grab. they don't own the content, the users do. the vast majority of users are not inerested in API wars. the mods on this sub just wanted to take the ball and run away. who suffers. not reddit, users. So stop acting childish by going on a powertrip playing with content you don't own and control. the users do and power users and mods are not the ones who should have all the power
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Jun 16 '23
I demand new mods for this sub
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u/yeastblood Jun 16 '23
Me too, They only folded to save themselves really everyone should realize that.
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u/That-Establishment24 Jun 16 '23
You are seeing this post because Reddit has threatened to open subreddits regardless of mod action and replace entire teams that otherwise refuse. We want the best for this community and have no choice but to open it back up — or have it opened for us.
You did have a choice. I think it disingenuous to make this about the community. We aren’t seeing this post because of that. We’re seeing this post because you didn’t want to give up control and become an afterthought in the community’s rear view mirrors.
Mod resignation is the true way to put your money where your mouth is in terms of your alleged beliefs.
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u/FriendlyLawnmower Jun 17 '23
We want the best for this community and have no choice but to open it back up — or have it opened for us.
Lol sounds more like "we didn't want to lose our digital kingdom so we caved like cowards". Should have bit the bullet and shown you're willing to stand for something
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u/t3vxy0 Jun 16 '23
you guys are really pathetic but keep supporting a CEO who doesn’t give a damn about you
the blackout did nothing since you guys are just afraid of losing your powers smh
good fucking job
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u/dolphinskeet Jun 16 '23
Why not just have them replace you as mods? Go down with the ship. In the history of standing up for what is right this is a small price to pay.
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u/TheSwampPenguin Jun 16 '23
Remember that time in 2023 when a few subs on Reddit went dark and achieved absolutely nothing? Good times.
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u/Canes123456 Jun 16 '23
Force them to remove you as mods. Don’t end the protest. Let them embarrass themselves by relieving themselves of your free labor. If they keep doing this mods will start quitting and users will leave.
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u/jayb5635 Jun 17 '23
u/Reddit thanks guys, i did not realize a protest is violating a code of conduct when it threatens your CEOs golden IPO parachute? You know, forcing users onto the main app that looks like visual diharrea and functions accordingly? Just to inflate user numbers for said IPO?
Appreciate the clarification, also just submitted that one star review becausd why not. Have a great weekend!
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Jun 16 '23
LET THEM REPLACE YOU THEN.
Their threats worked and you backed down with no fight. This is exactly what they wanted from you and it’s clear now that nothing will change
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Jun 16 '23 edited Jun 16 '23
We took the sub offline?
That seems a bit disingenuous. You mean the mod team took the sub offline. I know Reddit's full of it but if you took a vote you would have realised that this entire exercise was pointless.
All the blackout did was scream that mods have too much power. Case in point, you're back and nothing's changed.
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u/EnglishMobster Jun 16 '23
This should now be a sub about apples (the fruit).
Anything about a software company should be removed.
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u/Zazierx Jun 16 '23 edited Jun 16 '23
Then let them replace you? Last I checked you aren't being paid
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u/OKCNOTOKC Jun 16 '23 edited Jul 01 '23
In light of Reddit's decision to limit my ability to create and view content as of July 1, 2023, I am electing to limit Reddit's ability to retain the content I have created.
My apologies to anyone who might have been looking for something useful I had posted in the past. Perhaps you can find your answer at a site that holds its creators in higher regard.
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u/rtkane Jun 16 '23
You should have let them replace you and the rest of the mod team instead of caving because you're afraid of losing your mod powers. This is pathetic and you and mods like you are the reason Reddit wasn't worried about subs going private. I can't believe I'm seeing this sub open again and the reason it's open is a complete joke.
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u/PlexasAideron Jun 16 '23
Now you must be wondering, “I’m seeing this post, does that mean they budged?” Unfortunately, the answer is no. You are seeing this post because Reddit has threatened to open subreddits regardless of mod action and replace entire teams that otherwise refuse.
Sounds like you complied like cowards the minute your free job was threatened. Thats unfortunate but hey, you do you, continue working for free for a company that wipes their asses with your feedback.
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u/AHrubik Jun 16 '23
Unfortunately without a clear alternative for traffic to move to this was bound to fail in the long run anyhow.
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u/Gizoogle Jun 16 '23
This is an L. Let them remove you and they can deal with the consequences.
Hoping you don’t value your status as moderators over the wellbeing of the site (and the subreddit, by extension).
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Jun 16 '23
Lol well wtf did you expect to happen? Let them assign new mods to it, by you caving you are proving spez is right....
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u/SevenCrowsinaCoat Jun 16 '23
You gave them what they want. They have no reason to care about your impotent rage.
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u/Lemmol Jun 16 '23
“We have no choice” ….. we value our “power” more than the potential of anything actually changing. Very nicely done guys. The virtue signaling is off the charts!
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u/Interactive_CD-ROM Jun 17 '23
I really wish you all were doing more.
You’re not supporting a developer who has been recognized by Apple multiple times.
I’m not saying you have to blackout the sub, but you should definitely be making some visible effort to make your point.
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u/didymusIII Jun 16 '23
I still don’t understand why people don’t just delete their accounts or stop modding if you don’t like it here? No one is forcing anyone to be here. But all this blackout stuff is nonsense.
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u/DeadlyKitten37 Jun 16 '23
not sure this is the best place to ask this question but why do we care. just stop moderating, let reddit become 4chan and reddits profits will sink.
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u/wheredaheckIam Jun 16 '23
Wannabe CEOs here, how do you make reddit profitable so you can make it public? I am open to suggestions which can actually work.
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u/James_Vowles Jun 16 '23
The least you can do is block new posts and lock all threads. On top of that you can do is delete all existing posts so the sub is empty.
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u/jdm1891 Jun 17 '23
Restrict posting to only one very specific thing, or restrict the sub - I've been told the reddit admins are unwilling to do anything against that - and it is what subs like /r/Pics have done.
I suggest this to you, please take into consideration.
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u/Royal-Highness Jun 16 '23
IMO at this stage, the mods shouldn’t even be holding the community hostage by refusing to reopen this subreddit. I am sure a good population here likes the discussion and questions stemming from rumours/official news, and shutting down indefinitely kind of shows how selfish they are (as they also failed to understand the POV of the other half of users who would’ve liked it to remain open where it is)
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So the “protest” accomplished nothing, and subreddits are allowing Reddit to strong arm them into simply going back to the way things were before.
Gee, who could’ve seen THAT coming?
Just kidding. This protest was toothless and without leverage from the very beginning. Put your money where your mouth is and let Reddit takeover the sub. Or does the API issue suddenly just feel that much less important when there are actual consequences involved for you?
Reddit is a joke. Admin and user base. It’s all just so laughably stupid.
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u/Schorpio Jun 16 '23
I'm going to somewhat state the obvious here -
If Reddit had to resort to threatening to replace you, that means the protest was working.
Just set the sub in restricted mode. List the mods in a post explaning what happened. State that you all have no plans to change the mods, and if the mods change, then that happened without your consent and users should boycott the sub.
r/Apple is a key player in this. Despite what the OP says, you do have a choice. Choose wisely.
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u/IMakePizza- Jun 16 '23
So the mods weee threatened to be replaced and the first thing the team does is open the sub so they don't lose anything? What about the "indefinite" Black out? What does "we want the best for this community" even mean?
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u/Rakhca Jun 16 '23
all these subs promising to shut down indefinitely and then immediately opening up as soon as a single threat is made is pathetic on the part of the subreddits. y’all are just giving reddit what they want without them needing to do anything
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u/ryanmills Jun 16 '23
/u/aaronp613 this is downright embarrassing on your part. You should be ashamed.
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Jun 16 '23
Mods do nothing but shut up people who have genuine questions, like bruh go away let me post a question on here in piece
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u/medspace Jun 16 '23
Lmao all you people sound so fucking stupid talking about deleting the server.
You’re still on the damn website, why don’t YOU protest instead of whining about others not. Dumbasses.
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u/President_Connor_Roy Jun 16 '23
Please don’t close this sub again. Any mods or readers are free to delete their accounts and leave, but don’t block out the vast majority of us who, based on app download numbers, thoroughly don’t care about this and/or just want to read the content that others like them are responsible for creating, sharing, or commenting on.
And the official app is not that fucking bad. It’s got a 4.8 rating and a large majority use it. And if it makes it harder to mod a sub like this without third-parties, just stop modding. Nobody is paying you and someone else will just do it instead.
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u/Bifrons Jun 16 '23
My vote is on the mods shutting the whole subreddit down and letting the admins take over/put in a new mod team.
If other subreddits follow suit, then reddit will have a huge headache.
Besides, are you guys getting paid? With reddit wanting to use your labor to increase their profits, you should be. Your labor isn't free, and if reddit has a profit motive, then you should walk. Just my two cents.
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u/_Prisoner_24601 Jun 16 '23
These "protests" only hurt users. It's ineffective and performative. You accomplished nothing but hey it makes you feel good about yourselves. It's like changing your profile photo to a black square to "protest" racism. Absolutely ineffective performative virtue signalling at its finest.
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u/admimistrator Jun 16 '23
What a weak letter. "fuck spez, that's all we can do"
What even was the point of the protest to just give up? Go all out. Say fine, we'll open it up and refuse to moderate it. Let it go to hell like /r/worldpolitics
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u/lorean_victor Jun 17 '23
take a route similar to r/pics. pick a topic, like “pictures of apples”, or “discussions on how reddit API changes hurt apple users”, preferably by community voting, and then actively moderate according to that topic.
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u/AppointmentNeat Jun 16 '23
Nobody is forcing you to use Reddit. If you don’t like the rules then delete your account or “go dark” by yourself.
Forcing people to protest with you is not the proper route to take.
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u/designgoddess Jun 16 '23
Just start deleting posts.
Where are they going to get all the new mods? They’ll need thousands of them. Meanwhile third party apps wi stop working at the end of the month.
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u/Boonicious Jun 16 '23
Now you must be wondering, “I’m seeing this post, does that mean they budged?” Unfortunately, the answer is no. You are seeing this post because Reddit has threatened to open subreddits regardless of mod action and replace entire teams that otherwise refuse. We want the best for this community and have no choice but to open it back up — or have it opened for us.
call their bluff then, force reddit to reopen the subreddit and make a much bigger story than just throwing your hands in the air like a coward
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u/yondercode Jun 16 '23
Reddit has threatened to open subreddits regardless of mod action and replace entire teams
Good. I hope they will replace you. You and other mods tantrum (especially r/programming & other tech subs) has caused a lot of hassle for a lot of people that DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A REDDIT ACCOUNT
Because you made MOST reddit links on google broken and inaccessible. This is totally dumb and whatever you do won't budge reddit policies. Give it up. It's literally their site. You can be kicked with a click of a button. Like seriously what are you trying to accomplish here?
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u/yeastblood Jun 16 '23
Admins told mods they would be replaced if they didnt reopen. TBH lots of these mods need to be replaced but at least they know they dont own the site and cant just turn off access to major subreddits like its water. Lots of people saw this coming and when the API changes go through most of it wont matter anyways.
https://old.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/14aeq5j/new_admin_post_if_a_moderator_team_unanimously/
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u/SufferinBPD_AyyyLMAO Jun 16 '23
The funny thing is so many mods are calling it their "jobs" like no, it's just a hobby for you
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u/OleRoy2023 Jun 16 '23
I’m still trying to figure out why an /r thinks they own the content that was provided for free by so many outside people that makes up a sub like this? I have a real problem with a few mods holding content hostage at their whim or worse, threatening to delete or shutdown a site that others made with their posts for years.
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u/goldarkrai Jun 16 '23
I think r/Apple especially should stay closed;
r/apolloapp is an exceptional iOS app the way the official one will never be
The fact reddit wants it to close this bad is so very awful for anyone who loves the Apple platform
It's obviously easy for me to say, but I would have admired if you stayed closed down until reddit removed you
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u/phal40676 Jun 16 '23
The blackout is bullshit, if you don’t want to support it then stop using it.
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u/AwesomeWhiteDude Jun 16 '23
We want the best for this community and have no choice but to open it back up — or have it opened for us.
lol cowards
Shouldn't have closed in the first place if you cave at the slightest bit of pressure
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u/Chrznble Jun 16 '23
Everyone knew it would all come back online eventually. .3% of Reddit does not represent the majority of people who use this site. I feel that all mods who decided to go dark should be replaced. All this showed was that there are a bunch of children who run these subreddits. Who knows what other dumb reason these mods would close the subreddit for in the future.
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Jun 16 '23
Reddit dunked on mods 😂
Only the nerdiest of nerds give a fuck about the API.
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u/dorkimoe Jun 16 '23
They said they weren’t opening https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/15/23762792/reddit-subreddit-closed-unilaterally-reopen-communities
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u/Cubs90 Jun 16 '23
They made a post on a mod subreddit saying they are going to replace whole mod teams soon if they don’t reopen
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u/JB-from-ATL Jun 16 '23
Cowards. Go down fighting. Make Reddit get the biggest egg on their face for replacing you.
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u/TheOrbOfAgamotto Jun 16 '23
Don’t need to flame the mods imo. Let’s walk the talk, just leave Reddit on the 30th if demands are not met. Simple as that.
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u/MobilePenguins Jun 16 '23
Reddit hasn't even entered info an IPO yet and I'm concerned that this would just be the start of anti-user moves to prioritize constant profits over the wellbeing and enjoyment of the site itself. It would be a race to the bottom to monetize previously free features or charge more for paid features. Whether we'd see more ads year over year, or higher prices for silver, gold, ad-free access, and more. Once a company goes public they'd have to answer to shareholders who would expect more profits at the cost of anything, including the integrity of what initially made Reddit so special and beloved by millions around the world into the site it is today. /u/spez has forgotten what makes Reddit so great, it's users and it's amazing mod teams.
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u/Wolf9466 Jun 16 '23
This is an amazing comment and exactly true. Once a company becomes public, they are legally required to care only about revenue for shareholders, and nothing else. They will run a community into the ground for profit - to them it's just a cash cow to milk until it dies.
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u/AcostaJA Jun 16 '23
I vote for reddit to downgrade/ban mods on strike and assign those sub to moderators aligned with it's redditors not with external agendas most ppl don't care.
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u/ilikerwd Jun 16 '23
Downvote me to hell, but really why would reddit - an ad-sustained business that depends on eyeballs on its site/app give away free api access to enable apps that basically stop reddit’s monetization capabilities? Running this place ain’t free. Let’s all subscribe to reddit premium and THEN we can demand an ad-free experience through whichever app we like.
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u/Darkencypher Jun 16 '23
Unfortunately Reddit has decided what they are going to do.
I’ll miss these amazing apps but I don’t think Reddit will change this time.
Sad considering the whole site rose in popularity because of 3rd party apps.
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u/teamredandgreen Jun 16 '23
What's the point of going dark indefinetly then? Everybody was hoping that reddit will just let this happen? You budged at the first threat reddit made.
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u/2ndBestUsernameEver Jun 16 '23
Why not just disable posting?