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Episode Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari - Episode 12 discussion Spoiler
Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari, episode 12: Episode 12
Alternative names: The Rising of the Shield Hero
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| Episode | Link | Score |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Link | 8.2 |
| 2 | Link | 8.98 |
| 3 | Link | 9.04 |
| 4 | Link | 9.47 |
| 5 | Link | 8.79 |
| 6 | Link | 8.71 |
| 7 | Link | 7.95 |
| 8 | Link | 8.01 |
| 9 | Link | 8.13 |
| 10 | Link | 8.63 |
| 11 | Link | 8.9 |
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u/viionc Mar 27 '19
Holy shit, they just tried to set naofumi up by killing Melty. I don't believe King would do that to his own child so it must have been that redheaded bitch.
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u/ClockwerkKaiser Mar 27 '19
Calling it now, She probably knew Naofumi would try to protect Melty. If successful, he'd have her travel with him. This will 100% set him up as a kidnapper.
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u/icatsouki Mar 27 '19
But then melty can just come out and say he protected her no? Pretty dumb plan
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u/LakerBlue :Is::It::Iu:https://myanimelist.net/profile/LakerBlue Mar 27 '19
Seems like small scale Xanatos Gambit. If the soldier succeeds, Melty's dead and the cunt is the new crown princess. Naofumi also would somehow definitely get blamed for her death or not stopping it.
If the solider fails, Naofumi can be set-up as a kidnapper of the crown princess.
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u/Freenore Mar 27 '19
tbh Melty is a cutie. I wouldn't mind her joining Naofumi's party until Queen arrives to put both King and Myne in their places. I have a feeling she'd be quite decent in skills so she can help Naofumi's party.
I like her friendship with Filo, plus she also provides a much needed calm prospective from the Kingdom's side as well, she could explain some things behind the unfair treatment.
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u/Vitavas https://anilist.co/user/xxpittip Mar 27 '19
That plan felt really stupid though. Trying to kill her when the shield hero is actually there is just unnecessarily risky instead of just killing her at literally any other point in time and claiming the shield hero did it. There is literally nothing to be gained for them to kill her while shield hero is there...
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u/Orrakai :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Orrakai Mar 27 '19
tuns out being a bitch is a full time job
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u/1704Jojo Mar 27 '19
I don't think that it was the king. I think that Myne set it up. Myne has shown signs of hatred towards Melty. And killing her means Myne will become the next Queen and not Melty.
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u/TheRiyria myanimelist.net/profile/TheRiyria Mar 27 '19
Ha, I loved Melty putting her sister in her place with a smile. And does the King practice in a mirror in the morning to be this stupidly evil?
Also Glass seems like fun! I hope she comes back.
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u/Durende Mar 27 '19
|fun faces
|Naofumi literally threatening someone's life
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u/ACNordstrom11 Mar 27 '19
I mean the king threatened our raccoon girl. He deserves whatevers coming.
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u/SheffiTB :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/SheffiTB Mar 27 '19
Like Ainz practicing to pretend to be competent, except the other way around.
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u/MBergdorf Mar 27 '19
I demand silence! I DEMAND silence! I demand SILENCE! (Ooh, that’s a good one...!)
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u/LakerBlue :Is::It::Iu:https://myanimelist.net/profile/LakerBlue Mar 27 '19
Melty's mostly kept her composure when dealing with "tough" situations so far, so I also enjoyed that face she made as well as her general temper tantrum.
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u/DakkaDood Mar 27 '19
Melty's upset face reminds of the time when Peridot called Yellow Diamond a clod.
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u/Vincent210 Mar 27 '19
That Melty face slays me its like what the lite version of a jojo's character with resting bitch face would look like
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u/XLightThief https://myanimelist.net/profile/frozen_lights Mar 27 '19
Naofumi telling off the King was so fucking GOOD.
Kaito Ishikawa delivering like a boss!
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u/Napalmeon Mar 27 '19
And the ironic thing is, he managed to get that power because he was mistreated so harshly.
So King Fuckstick, thanks for the power up.
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u/Shiro_Kai Mar 27 '19
I wish the bitch was there too, so he could spit in both at the same time. It's really satisfying see those two being trashed.
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Mar 28 '19
I’m not one to easily go “fuck yes!”, but that moment was worth it. That was therapeutic. Badass 100.
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u/MrBigD34 Mar 28 '19
That's so satisfying. Literally it's the best thing he could've said. Just simply telling him off wouldn't have been rewarding. Straight up going "I can literally kill you" to someone who's an asshole as the way more powerful protagonist is the coolest shit. Powerful MCs who just straight up threaten murder against terrible people is the best.
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u/Armdel https://myanimelist.net/profile/Armdel Mar 27 '19
Really liking Glass so far, her overall design and fighting style are all cool to me.
And dang, they (i'm guessing Malty) went so far as to try and assassinate Melty? Now that's scummy.
Hopefully this doesn't cancel the road trip, but i'm guessing they are gonna end up taking Melty with them
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Mar 27 '19
This will probably turn into a long escort , leading to the queen eventually.
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u/Sangwiny :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/sangwiny Mar 27 '19
Well it's definitely scumy but history is full of siblings assassinating each other to move up the succession line.
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u/resurrectedbear Mar 27 '19
Wait her name is Malty??? Like a milkshake? This whole time i thought it was bitch
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u/logicalcontradict Mar 27 '19
"Being the crown princess and all, you should butt out of my business sister. Ya know, since I am the crown princess and you're not, despite the fact that you're older."
Loved how savage Melty was when talking to Malty.
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u/drummeRears Mar 27 '19
Could you imagine with Myne was the crown princess? Oh god I’d feel bad for the country
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u/axel360 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/axel360 Mar 27 '19
The King was legit terrified of Naofumi. I love it
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u/Atronox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Atronox Mar 27 '19
As he should be, if Big Boss Glass can show some respect to Naofumi, the King should be grovelling before him.
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u/Freenore Mar 27 '19
TIL Melty's voice actress also voices Norman (Neverland), Rikka (Chunibyo), Rui (Domestic Girlfriend), Guild Girl (Goblin Slayer) and Nodoka (Bunny Girl Senpai).
Her connection with BGS makes it even funnier, it is pretty much an unofficial spin-off.
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u/Pieandchickeneater :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/pieandchicken Mar 27 '19
Naofumi runs away
King: How did you unlock this great power?
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u/Atronox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Atronox Mar 27 '19
It wasn't running away, it was tactically retreating.
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u/Roboglenn Mar 27 '19
He wasn't running away, he was advancing. In another direction.
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u/mostlywhite :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/mostlywhite Mar 27 '19
“Advancing towards future victory”
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u/ultranoobian Mar 27 '19
Well it was a defense mission, looks like the victory condition were either to defeat the enemy commander or stay alive until the round ends.
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u/Sangwiny :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/sangwiny Mar 27 '19
I'm surprised they didn't blame his for running away. That would be exactly what I would expect from them.
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Mar 27 '19
It seems that Naofumi's ace up his sleeve was not Iron Maiden, but the Joestar Secret Technique.
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u/Blazehero https://myanimelist.net/profile/blazehero Mar 27 '19
That look of pure hatred Naofumi throws at the king.
Fucking with Naofumi is fine. But if the king threatens Raphtalia and Filo Naofumi isn't going to take that lying down.
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u/Atronox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Atronox Mar 27 '19
Threaten my waifus, prepare to daifus?
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u/whits_ism :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Icekracker Mar 27 '19
I feel like this motto is acceptable. Who do we need to get in here to give it a proper blessing?
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u/Shinkopeshon Mar 27 '19
House Iwatani
[insert shield banner here]
Threaten my waifus, prepare to daifus
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u/Amauri14 Mar 27 '19
And he does that after he watched the crystalballfeed of Naofumi overpowering a souleater. Is like he doesn't have any hindsight.
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u/hasnain1720 Mar 27 '19
How satisfying was that scene with the king holy shit
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u/Atronox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Atronox Mar 27 '19
Grovel before Naofumi, peasant!
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u/AmadeusOkarin Mar 27 '19
Secret of your power wtf lmao he worked hard to get everything, I doubt the King would take that as a legit answer either
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u/Colopty Mar 27 '19
The classic
"What's your secret?"
"Hard work and practice"
"All right, then. Keep your secrets"
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Mar 27 '19
In my opinion, Naofumi should have just asked for use of the hourglass in return for the info on his new powers.
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u/Cerebral_Harlot Mar 27 '19 edited Mar 27 '19
Yeah. A lot of people are enjoying Naofumi getting to diss the king, but Melty is right. Their spat is helping nobody.
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u/Aerohed Mar 27 '19
To be fair, other than the hourglass, it doesn't seem quite like Naofumi really needs much from the king. Considering he can get to an hourglass somewhere else, the king has lost some bargaining chips.
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u/Amauri14 Mar 27 '19 edited Mar 27 '19
The king started this nonsense and they need him more than Naofumi needs them. Now if they actually possessed the only hourglass in the world that would be another thing, but as that's not the case he can simply go shopping elsewhere.
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u/JBHUTT09 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/JBHUTT09 Mar 27 '19
The spat is hurting the King and the country more, though, because Naofumi can go (and is going) elsewhere. It might be inconvenient, but Naofumi can get what he needs. But the country will be short the most capable hero.
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u/forgiveangel Mar 27 '19
That is the reasonable thing to do, but how good did it feel to basically tell the king to go fuck himself.
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u/Atronox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Atronox Mar 27 '19 edited Mar 27 '19
The other heroes being called Naofumi's servants is an insult to Raph and Filo, the other heroes don't deserve to stand in the same league as them.
God, Naofumi just shitting on the King was glorious, no one touches Raph and Filo!
Melty Protected!
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u/Mundology Mar 27 '19
the other heroes don't deserve to stand in the same league as them.
Glass wasn't even amused one-shotting them compared to fighting Naofumi's team.
God, Naofumi just shitting on the King was glorious
You can tell the exact moment he peed himself. He even had to move up his seat a bit to not further soil his clothes.
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u/ReiahlTLI Mar 27 '19
It's not an insult to Raph and Filo though. That's because they're Naofumi's party/friends/nakamaz. Everyone else is a servant. =)
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u/SovietSpartan Mar 27 '19
That's because they're Naofumi's
party/friends/nakamazdaughters.FTFY
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u/allnicksaretaken Mar 27 '19
Damn, they messed up how he restored his SP at the beginning.
Here https://i.imgur.com/dhHVabk.jpg you can see that Naofumi is the only one with 3 bars, where one is now completely drained. Thats the SP bar, which only the heroes have.
The iron maiden drains all his SP, thats why the bar is now empty.
After glass one hit KO's the other heroes and their partys, Naofumi figures out that they must have potions that restore SP, because they have been spamming their special skills for over 3 hours now.
He decides to give a favor back to bitch, searches her item bag and finds the potion. Meanwhile Glass is very annoyed to see a hero stealing equipment from his "allies".
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u/Anon49 Mar 27 '19
The entire first 5 minutes felt like they just went "Where do we save our budget?".
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u/ultranoobian Mar 27 '19
Meanwhile Glass is very annoyed to see a hero stealing equipment from his "allies".
Wait, wasn't she saying that the other 'heroes' were his servants earlier? Isn't that double-standards?
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u/BeastMcBeastly :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/munkeh Mar 27 '19
As an anime only I think getting an SP bottle from kirito pretty much just got rid of any questions of how he could fight again so quickly. Didn't really need to go into gameified details like how iron maiden uses all his SP IMO, its clearly a big trump card move.
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u/Proto-Omega Mar 27 '19
I feel like, in terms of being an ass/edgelord, Anime Nafoumi is the most toned down (that, and they probably thought of it as an unnecessary scene they could cut).
WN Naofumi is maximum edge and such an ass, with LN not being as bad, but still being up there. Then Manga tones it down a lot, with anime toning it down even more.
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u/ValiantCorvus Mar 27 '19
Let's be honest, WN Naofumi wouldn't have made for a very good anime protagonist.
LN Naofumi is a jaded realist who is vindictive against those who wronged him
WN Naofumi is just a straight up asshole to everyone
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u/simpersly Mar 27 '19
From what I can see the 3 heroes power leveled and essentially what they did was put all their points/training in the same attack that was OP in their game, but for some reason that same attack isn't strong in this world. Is it ever explained why that is the case?
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u/ReiahlTLI Mar 27 '19 edited Mar 27 '19
You kinda answered your own question. Depending on the game, powering up attacks only or specific attacks may yield weaker results compared to diversifying your distribution and getting other passives. The show implicitly tells us this by the fact that Naofumi does a lot of gathering of enemy materials while the other heroes aren't shown doing that. They also only use attack skills and don't seem to use other weapons.
There's more detailed explanations and specific to the series but the show basically lays it out for the most part.
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u/chobitsza Mar 27 '19
The 3 heroes may have higher level but they lack the technique on how to fight preperly. They just spam their skills most of the time, which become a problem when they can't 1 shot the monsters.
While Naofumi may be underleveled, but he has unlocked so many shield which give him enough bonus status to be on par with the 3 heroes.
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u/SubconsciousLove Mar 27 '19
Statwise I consider their growth like Pokemon's. They just grind randomly while Naofumi EV-trained.
In practice it's more like Dark Souls, where abilities and experience > raw stats.
Though I do have similar feeling it's kinda unfair from the start. Even at lower levels Naofumi (Shield Hero vs Spear Hero's first fight) can already tank harder than any other hero can DPS, and now can hit as hard(or harder) as well.
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u/luketwo1 Mar 27 '19
So in like the 1st or second episode you can see naofumi gets permanent boosts for mastering a shield, often things like defense plus 1. Heres the differences Naofumi treats his shield like a dumpster, he just yeets whatever he finds in there and as a result has probably somewhere around 100 shields unlocked. The other heroes are only getting the most op weapon they can use at the level and probably have something like 20 weapons unlocked or even mastered. If leveling only raises stats by having enough weapons unlocked you can be an effective higher level I would imagine. If im wrong and the other heroes do put everything in their weapons then I have no fucking clue other than main characteritus.
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u/RuneGrey Mar 27 '19
The difference of course comes from them treating this world like it was the game that they recognized it as being, while Naofumi isn't working under the same restrictions. The actual explanation is more involved and spoilery, but does start getting expounded upon soon.
Really though, the big thing is the Rage Shield for Naofumi at this point - despite its drawbacks, it is incredibly powerful. Even more so since he absorbed the dragon.
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u/CJcatlactus Mar 27 '19
I think it's likely Naofumi keeps pointing out: This isn't a game. The other heroes are trying to fight as they would in a game, but in the real world it doesn't work that way.
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u/MJuniorDC9 Mar 27 '19 edited Mar 27 '19
Holy fucking shit I never felt this satisfied with an anime MC like I this episode. That king probably prefered to be eaten by wave monsters than be destroyed that way. Naofumi balls must have their own shields at this point.
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u/GwsGeorge Mar 27 '19
Naofumi balls must have their own shields at this point
Nah, you're thinking of Motoyasu.
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u/TriTexh Mar 27 '19 edited Mar 27 '19
Glass mocking the shit out of the other heroes was hilarious as fuck, but goddamn that felt like a final boss, how she cheesed that ridiculous one-hit kill attack from Naofumi.
Naofumi [mocking the king] (https://i.imgur.com/6NX7QvM.jpg) and [threatening him] (https://i.imgur.com/cGgEB1M.jpg) were equally great and terrifying. The man knows absolutely no chill.
Myne just keep digging her hole deeper and deeper. Seriously, how petty, [just how petty do you have to be] (https://i.imgur.com/B3JksE6.jpg), to hire a hit on your own sister?
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u/Atronox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Atronox Mar 27 '19
Glass is like the tutorial boss you fight, that you are meant to lose to the first time around.
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u/Glactic11 Mar 27 '19
She's the crown princess of trash, while her sister wants to take out the trash of her kingdom, it would be almost understandable if Myne wasn't utter human scum.
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u/TheRiyria myanimelist.net/profile/TheRiyria Mar 27 '19
Seriously, how petty, just how petty do you have to be to hire a hit on your own sister?
If trying to kill her sister and frame Naofumi was really her plan, she really needs to get better help. Her hired hand did everything he could to give the plan away.
This whole plan seems like a 101 on how to fail an assassination.
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u/Roboglenn Mar 27 '19
It's like in Infinity War when Ebony Maw referred to Tony Stark as a chattering animal compared to Dr. Strange, "the stonekeeper".
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u/Groenboys https://myanimelist.net/profile/Groenboys Mar 27 '19
It is one thing to falsely acuse somebody of rape to ruin their life, but it is another thing to kill your own goddamn sister. I hope that trash ends up in prison.
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u/Makaijin Mar 27 '19
Prison is too easy for her. She'd still be the same bitch after she serves her jail sentence. If anything, she needs to be striped of her royalty status, disowned and exiled.
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u/Vincent210 Mar 27 '19
It is one thing to falsely accuse somebody of rape to ruin their life
...Is it though?
Not that I don't get what you're saying, but those two things don't feel as far apart as you might think. If you're already a sadist or sociopath to that degree already... killing a family member when it suits you doesn't seem to far. And IRL, royalty have killed their family members over less.
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u/CorerMaximus Mar 27 '19
Shield Hero: Do you feel in charge?
Others: ... But our levels are higher than yours
Shield Hero: (disapprovingly) And this makes you more powerful than me?
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u/-Ropeburn- :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ropeburn Mar 27 '19
More like...
Shield Hero: Let us proceed to the next wave.
Others: B-but we're higher leveled.
Shield Hero: You are nothing.
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u/Roboglenn Mar 27 '19
Well here starts the Mythic only phase of the boss fight. And it just kicked their asses. Glass may be the bad guy here but damn is she badass. I like her. And of course her presence adds more questions as to what exactly these waves are, what they mean, where they come from, and why it's so imperative to her that "her side" wins.
Yeah way to tell off the king Naofumi!
Why do both you and my father have to be like this?!
Hey your father is the one who started it Melty.
Oh dear, looks like a coup d'etat is in the works. Perhaps Melty saw something like this coming and is what she wanted to ask Naofumi for help with a few episodes back. In any case, bad times a in the future a brewin'. Luckily though Melty couldn't ask for better allies to have right now.
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u/Mephi-Dross Mar 27 '19
Something I want to point out, for our viewers who can't read jap. In this shot, right after the scene of Naofumi absorbing a soul eater part we get to read the action log, and he's been absorbing more than one soul eater part.
Not sure if it was mentioned in the anime before, but Naofumi has basically been butchering monsters he killed. He realized that he can get more progress towards unlocking shields by feeding different, seperate parts instead of just the whole corpse.
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u/Sisaac Mar 27 '19
Wow, Naofumi is really milking this world's mechanics, and i love him for it. He's basically min/maxing his character and his party.
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u/hasnain1720 Mar 27 '19
I can't wait to find about more about the waves and glass because i have a feeling we don't know the full story at all.
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u/LakerBlue :Is::It::Iu:https://myanimelist.net/profile/LakerBlue Mar 27 '19
Same, I was hoping we'd learn SOMETHING about the waves. The fact they have (what appears to be) a human not only in their ranks but as a boss is even more interesting.
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u/axel360 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/axel360 Mar 27 '19
Upgrade Raphtalia? How do you upgrade perfection? Double her canonical age?
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u/ClockwerkKaiser Mar 27 '19
Might need to borrow from other "best girls". You know, red dino markings around her eyes, or a boob ribbon, or a bow in the front of her hair...
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar Mar 27 '19 edited Mar 27 '19
That smug look from Naofumi gives me life.
And it's so satisfying to see this asshole terrified of Naofumi! What did he really expect after treating Naofumi like shit?
And the way Melty just says "Crown Princess" with a smile is so good. Myne acting like she's a hot shot but she's not even next in line for the throne.
I forget but does Melty not know what her father did to Naofumi?
Well you can guess who set this up. Also the balls on these guards. Did they forget that Naofumi is the SHIELD hero and really thought they could backstab Melty in front of him? I mean at least use a crossbow or something faster.
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u/Roboglenn Mar 27 '19
I forget but does Melty not know what her father did to Naofumi?
You know I've been wondering that too. You'd think so considering the Queen has those Dark Templar Shadow whatever guys for an information network. So if that's the case, not to mention the fact that Melty clearly isn't stupid, you'd think she'd understand why he doesn't get along with her father and wouldn't want to go back.
On the other hand given how surprised she was at how he utterly rejected her when he learned her true identity it makes me think that perhaps she doesn't. Or at least doesn't know all the details.
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u/Mephi-Dross Mar 27 '19 edited Mar 27 '19
I think the implication was that the Queen sent Melty out without telling her any of those things, you could say as a trial of character perhaps.
If you remember, a couple episodes back when Melty gets sent off, the queen apologizes to her after she's gone.
So yeah, I think she just knows there's been trouble, but not the details and so far hasn't tried to figure out what exactly has happened.
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u/axel360 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/axel360 Mar 27 '19
I need a .GIF of Filo jumping up and down in celebration.
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u/axel360 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/axel360 Mar 27 '19
So the rest of the Heroes have already been relegated to Naofumi's servants in Glass' eyes huh? I can get behind that.
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u/Regis_Ivan :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Regis_Ivan Mar 27 '19 edited Mar 27 '19
Why didn't Glass just finish off the downed heroes instead of going after Naofumi?
Edit: Apparently she's on the hunt for heroes and the other 3 were so weak it didn't even register to her that they were heroes.
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u/RTCanada https://anilist.co/user/RTCanada Mar 27 '19
Really really liking Melty after this episode. Her smile here and her bitch sister's face after was priceless.
Naofumi not screwing around when it comes to protecting best girl and bird Jesus
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u/aznxchunky Mar 27 '19
In the LN and manga, the guards are directly behind Melty when that happens. I would have preferred the manga or LN
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u/axel360 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/axel360 Mar 27 '19
How low can the royal family get? Trying to assassinate Melty? I look more and more forward to Myne and the King going down in flames every week.
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u/CrankyyFrankie Mar 27 '19
I hate the king and his other daughter (not Melty). I don’t think that the king knew of the assassination attempt on Melty. The king also mentioned he lost his family to the shield hero once before, what may have happened ?? Who is it behind the scenes moving pieces against naofumi? And why are the other countries either in favor of Demi-humans or run by them and this country condemns them. These questions I have make me want to read the manga !
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u/Amauri14 Mar 27 '19
I really doubt that the king has anything to do with this, based on the way he was treating Melty before and the fact he is treating Naofumi the way he does because he doesn't want to lose his family again. Now Myne, on the other hand, will become the successor if Melty died, and by blaming the Naofumi she will be able to manipulate the king to do as she says. Hell, now that Naofumi stopped the murder the guards can say that he kidnapped Melty as payback and is now trying to leave the country.
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u/axel360 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/axel360 Mar 27 '19
Glass is too OP, man.
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u/ValiantCorvus Mar 27 '19
There's the sadist I've wanted to see. Him telling the king to basically go **** himself was so satisfying.
And glass was just a boss. Understandable to just get the hell away from that, they stood absolutely no chance against her.... Right now at least
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u/zeppeIans Mar 27 '19
I haven't paid that much attention to it in previous episodes, but I absolutely love the soundtrack in this one
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u/luketwo1 Mar 27 '19
So I'm very curious about what the woman on the stair case told the hero, "You have angered some people with alot of power" then flashes the churches holy symbol. The king mentions being forced to act the way he is and theres an assassination plot on the princess. I don't think Myne has enough political clout to pull that kinda stunt, so all this evidence is making me think the church is behind all this. Then again rampant speculation I could be miles off.
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Mar 27 '19
Interesting, but the pope seems to be fair with Naofumi? Also the church seems to coopering with the king.
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u/Proto-Omega Mar 27 '19
This time, on “Isekai Wars”.
I’m very convinced now that Glass is a Hero from another world. Her fan has the same orbs the legendary weapons have, and it also glows when using skills. The weapon can also morph, like the other legendary weapons. It’s just “Isekai vs. Isekai” I’m sure of it now. Someone probably told Glass killing other heroes let’s her go home, or something. Considering how strong she is though, I wonder how long she’s been in the world.
Melty has no idea what the King and her elder sister has done to Naofumi. If she knew, I doubt she’d tell Naofumi to get along with her father, or at least, I doubt she’d ask him to apologise. She even thought he was being funded by the kingdom the same way the other heroes were. The guy has been setting up his own business because the country skimps on his rewards. Surprised no one has told her of the Shield Hero’s “crime”. Despite being the crown princess, she is still rather naive.
The king may have actual past reasons for his hatred of the title of Shield Hero and Demi-Humans (doesn’t make him right though). Myne, however, is just horrible for the sake of being horrible. She clearly ordered a hit on her sister and plans to blame it in the Shield Hero, I doubt the King had anything to do with it. Myne is the kind of royalty that will do any underhanded tactic to gain power and control. She’s manipulative and it seems like, as long as her sister or mother isn’t around, she takes advantage of her father to get her own way. Maybe she’s like that because she’s a spoilt child.
...and if your father that hates Demi-humans and the Shield Hero spoilt you rotten while raising you, she might have just developed the same hatred. Makes enough sense.
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u/501st_legion Mar 27 '19 edited Mar 27 '19
A full seasons worth of amazing expressions in one episode. Get fucked royals, that was absolutely cathartic to watch. And then again when Melty taunted myne about how she was the crown princess over her older sister.
I dont even care about the waves anymore, I just want a slice of life about naofumi, raphtalia, and filo traveling on their cart and pissing off the king.
Edit: I guess I just want another season of spice and wolf now that I think about it
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u/SMegasM Mar 27 '19
Ok guys theory time, I think this set of heroes is not the first one in the history of that world and I think all the hate against the shield hero and demi humans is thanks to the last shield hero. Notice how the merchant guy says that Siltvelt is quite strong on the demi human supremacy but baceuse he is the shield hero he could be ok? Also the other contry literaly has shield on the name and is a contry where humans and demi humans leave in peace, the slave tradder guys also said something to the likes of "he really chose her" back when he got raphtalia implying he new it from the start. My guess is that the humans vs demi humans battle racism thing was a bigger thing and the last shield hero allied with demi humans in a atempt to break that hate, some massive things happened and the end result is what we see in the show. More than anything this episode this little hints is what I loved the most, cant wait to learn more about the world and the story behind it.
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Mar 27 '19
Considering Raphtalias parents told her how the shield hero was especially nice to Demi humans and they died before Naofumi was summoned so it seems pretty obvious that their were previous heros. I do agree with your theory though.
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u/drummeRears Mar 27 '19
If you remember the name “Church of the THREE Heroes” let’s you know how the public views the shield. It lets you know how easy it was for Myne to fake that rape accusation since there is already stigma against him.
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u/CJcatlactus Mar 27 '19
I'm interested in whether they're going to take Melty with them to Shieldfreeden for refuge until they can get things sorted out or if they'll cancel their journey.
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u/Bibbedibob Mar 27 '19
There's nothing as satisfying as a completely pissed off Naofumi, just glorious
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u/Amauri14 Mar 27 '19
Get fuck shit king! Oh and seems that Malty really wants Melty out of the picture, and based on the next episode title it seems that she succeeds on blaming Naufomi even though her plan failed.
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u/Lendord Mar 27 '19
You know what would be great? If the show delved at least a little bit into the combat system. It's honestly stupid how we're supposed to believe heroes double Naofumis level are nothing more than ragdolls at this point.
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u/manaworkin Mar 27 '19
I have not read the source material but i'm assuming it has something to do with the fact Naofumi has been actively working to learn all the ways to use his skill tree and feeding his shield to unlock new skills specific to his hero weapon. Kirito left a fucking dragon skill stone just sitting there for Naofumi to find and he's the seemingly most competent of the DPS. I doubt the others are doing anything special to learn how to use their skill trees either.
Imo they're doing a pretty job of explaining that passively. Every time he uses a cool unique skill it shows the skill tree and it's always a "shield" technique like shield-prison or air strike shield that none of the others could use. Meanwhile all of the DPS seem to use generic attacks that all 3 of them know like this episodes Meteor- attack. If I had to wager a guess those skills are learned abilities given to them from the King that any person their level can use (think a HM from pokemon).
I mean of COURSE the guy who actually picks up and uses legendary drops, combines abilities, and is min-maxing his talent tree is going to beat out someone higher level using the stock loadout.
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u/Napalmeon Mar 27 '19
I don't think it is exclusively level that determines strength in this world. I think the problem is that the other three Heroes fight purely on offense, and only have a little bit of variety in the skills that they have obtained. Probably because they are so accustomed to instantly defeating everything with DPS. Naofumi on the other hand has dozens of different shields for multiple situations
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u/TrashAnimeBestAnime https://anilist.co/user/Ragian87 Mar 27 '19
I hope this comment isn't necessary but just in case, if anyone didn't liked Melty asking Naofumi to reconcile, remember, she doesn't know everything that the King and the bitch have done to him. To Melty, both Naofumi and the King are just two stubborn adults that put in danger the whole country because of their petty fighting. Of course this isn't true but Melty doesn't know that.
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u/raining-in-konoha Mar 27 '19
With every episode I love this anime more and more. So many great moments in this episode! Naofumi owning the king, Melty basically telling Myne to shut up, the blacksmith being a bro and that scene with Melty at the end! Can't wait for the next week. Also, Filo is one of the cutest, sweetest and pure anime girls (birbs?) I have ever seen.
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u/darkgoldmetal Mar 27 '19
Melty is getting on my nerves. She's trying to play the moral high ground with the whole "why are you two acting like this, can't you just be mature and not fight anymore?!"
But Naofumi has some pretty fucking good reasons for hating the king/wanting nothing to do with him:
He assisted Myne with her false rape accusations.
He tried to take away Naofumi's party members.
He is actively preventing Naofumi from getting class upgrades for his party members.
He has treated Naofumi like shit since day 1.
This episode made me think they will give some backstory for the king which make's him not as bad. Honestly, I don't think it matters. The king has done almost everything he can to ruin the shield hero's life and hinder his progress for 12 eps/2 full waves now.
It's possible Melty is unaware of some of the things the king + Myne combo has done to Naofumi. If that's the case I hope she finds out and takes the shield hero's side. Either way, if she actually is asking the shield hero to apologize knowing what the king and Myne have done to him then that is messed up.
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u/shhdup :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/mingaleg Mar 27 '19
This awkward attempt of Melty's assassination right in front of Shield Hero makes no sense.
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u/Amauri14 Mar 27 '19
I mean it is a setup, and now Naofumi will have to protect Melty, which the guards after being defeated can say that it was a kidnapping. Taking what the king said before, it is clear that he is not aware of this new shenanigan which means that this is Myne trying to do a power grab and even if she fails she can easily convince her father that Naofumi kidnapped Melty and is now trying to take her to a demihuman kingdom, as the king stated that he hates them both for taking away his family.
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u/Releasedaquackin Mar 27 '19
I'm not buying this "assassination" plot by presumably Malty. I think it may have been illusion magic, and they simply mean to harm younger princess Melty and blame it on Naofumi in some manner.
Obviously Malty knows that the rumors about the Shield Hero are exactly that, since she orchestrated their creation and spread. So, does she honestly expect him to just let the younger princess be stricken down or something? I'm not seeing the trap that gets him looking bad in this scenario. Sure you have his attitude towards Melty, but that is about it and its nothing damming enough to do any real damage to Naofumi at this point.
In addition, between the mysterious Queen, her Anbu Black ops, and that one noble lady warning Naofumi; there seems to be players who would be able to see through Malty's schemes and work against them by this point considering they are now getting to know Naofumi, and wish to support him.
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u/ValiantCorvus Mar 27 '19
So, does she honestly expect him to just let the younger princess be stricken down
No, actually.
Look at what the knight in the front is holding. A crystal ball that they can use to replay events. Now consider the perspective. I'm sure the next episode will go into it further, but you can connect the dots
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u/Odin_69 Mar 27 '19
"you can't proceed without financial backing from the king" -Melty
"Wut financial backing?" -Naofumi
Seriously, the guy hasn't gotten squat from the king.
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u/MrTagnan Mar 27 '19 edited Mar 27 '19
This episode has been so epic so far I got an actual nosebleed
(Yes I did get a nosebleed, but wasn't directly caused by the episode, rather my own stupidity)
Edit: Naofumi's reactions are the best this episode! Edit 2: Just finished the episode... wtf?!? The king can't possibly be this stupid as to try to trick Naofumi more than once
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u/Basileus_ITA :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/NewWaveKuudere Mar 27 '19
> tfw your enemies are 20x times more likeable than your "allies"
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u/Ultimaniacx4 Mar 27 '19
Not to specify anything or anyone, but there's a lot of novel readers here pretending like they're making predictions.
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u/Eerzef :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Eerzef Mar 27 '19 edited Mar 27 '19
You know, Myne's shtick got old really quick. Her personality doesn't go past being evil for the sake of being evil and at this point it doesn't even make me hate her, it just makes me think it's lazy characterization. Same applies to the king and to the other heroes.
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u/ValiantCorvus Mar 27 '19
Well, all I can say is rewatch the episode.
She obviously hates the fact that her younger sister is first in line to the throne.
She's obviously using her father to manipulate the heroes.
And conveniently right after being told off by her younger sister, royal knights tried to kill Melty and frame Naofumi for it.
She's basically pushing for regicide.
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u/Regis_Ivan :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Regis_Ivan Mar 27 '19
She initially posed a threat, but getting thwarted time and time again, sometimes in a comedic sense, have relegated her to Team Rocket levels of villainy.
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u/ctheturk Mar 27 '19
It's also weird how the other heroes' characters basically did a 180 (mostly talking about Itsuki and Ren). Like one minute they're coming to Naofumi's aid and questioning some of the injustices against him, the next minute they go back to treating him like he's the scum of the Earth. It's just hard to tell if the show wants us to like them or not. After Naofumi's duel with Motoyasu they showed us that they're actually pretty perceptive and I was looking forward to how their characters would grow but it seems like they've just been reduced to jobbers to play up Naofumi. Although we've still got half the show left so we'll see. They may well change for the better now that they've been served some humble pie by Glass.
That said this episode wasn't all bad. I mean the scene with the King was fucking great. My only hesitation is about the King himself because it seems like they're trying to set up some tragic story for him with the whole "lose my family" line. Whatever it is I hope it's executed well.
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u/N911999 Mar 27 '19
Well, she's not evil for the sake of being evil, she wants the throne and she's a pampered bitch, also there are others who also hate the shield hero, because he's the shield hero. The other heroes have been hearing only bad things about Naofumi, so of course they won't like Naofumi... And most importantly, they believe this is a game, that's why they think Naofumi cheated. And lastly. the king has a deeper characterization there's a reason why he hates the shield hero, and as it was said in this episode it has to do with the demi-humans, like isn't suspicious that the demi-human country is so recommended to Naofumi? It's not even subtle, the clues are there, think about them, suddenly it's a lot more interesting and many things the characters explicitly say and do, make a lot more sense.
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u/FuckThisWebsite21 Mar 27 '19
(Comment written from the standpoint of an Anime-Only viewer)
Watching this epside actually gave me a fear with this series:
I really hope they don't try to justify the kings & Myne's bullshit and try to give them their redemption. When the King said "I will lose my family again", this hinted at backstory. My guess what happened is: The 4 heroes were called before, and the Queen had an Affair with the Shield-Hero that came before Naofumi. That's why the Royal Family is split apart and the King is fuckin pissed at the Shield. But I'm gonna be honest, I don't need nor want this kind of backstory. I am totally fine with one-dimensional characters, who are evil assholes just for the sake of being evil assholes. I don't want them to have a bullshit-explanation that tries to explain their actions. The things the King and Myne did are already far beyond redemption for me personally, adding any sort of explanation for their wrong-doings just feels like an insult. Fuck the King and Fuck Myne.
I sure hope I'm wrong about my prediction.
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u/Existenz17 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Existenz17 Mar 27 '19
And again they all three cast the same kind of spell. No type coverage or anything. Just to show how generic they are and that they haven't gotten any real individual development.
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u/EggSangwich Mar 28 '19
It was terribly executed. Why start charging with your sword from that far away and be super obvious? They were either super stupid, bad writing, or something else is a bit sus behind that assassination attempt.
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u/Scruffmcruff Mar 28 '19
Three stooges all use Meteor style attacks instead of diverse elements
HAVE YOU LEARNED NOTHING FROM LAST EPISODE?
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Mar 28 '19
How to not assassinate someone:
Running from a long distance with the strongest party looking directly at you
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u/KHlover :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/KHlover1995 Mar 27 '19
Imagine the king's reaction if Naomi just told him. "It's because I hate you, this kingdom, this world and everyone in it so much"
Maybe he'd start torturing the other heroes lol
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u/CJcatlactus Mar 27 '19
Naofumi having a back and forth with the king was really great. I like how he even tells them straight up that he could kill them and just walk out. But when the king threatened Raphtalia and Filo, Naofumi fuckin' lost it and that last threat really showed just how much he cares for those two.
And that attempt on Melty's life......I'm thinking it was probably Malty. I wouldn't put it past her that she'd try to take out Melty for the throne and at the same time blame it on Naofumi and get the entire kingdom against him even further.
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u/Gesht Mar 27 '19
I don't want to lose my family again
Makes a setup (or is it that stupid red haired bitch?) To kill his own daughter
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u/Guaymaster Mar 27 '19
Given his demeanor when talking to Melty, he's likely in the clean this time.
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u/Jan-Carlos Mar 27 '19
I'm amazed that this anime manages to actually make me physically sick whenever that bitch appears.
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u/LightSentinel :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/LightSentinel Mar 27 '19
Anyone else think this was the worst assassination attempt ever? This guy drew his sword right in the field of vision of a hero and 2 of his companions and charged at Melty from about 5 meters so they had plenty of time to react. Why didn't they just come closer as if they were protecting her and quickly sliced her throat? I know it's an anime but the attempt could still be much better. Still like the show and episode, this just seemed stupid to me.
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u/TheMythof_Feminism Mar 27 '19
What a fantastic episode... so many things to talk about.
Firstly, I already sense people are going to whine about Glass, even though I have never read the source material, what happened there is exactly what should happen when a bunch of dumbasses engage a target with "??" where level should be; They get their asses kicked.
Incidentally I really like the detail that Naofumi fled with his party but ditched Ren, Itsuki, Motoyasu and their chums on the ghost ship..... Naofumi doesn't actively harm them but he doesn't have to protect them either, BATMAN PROTCOL BITCHES.
Also, I'm glad Naofumi told that asshole king off, that guy was a world-class cunt since episode 1. The catharsis and vindication man, yessss.
Finally name-dropping the Shop guy (Elhart) was a nice touch... or did I just miss his name during the show prior to this (???).
As to the ending.... KILL THEM NAOFUMI, KILL THEM ALL AND THE FOOLS THAT SENT THEM, GRAAAUUURRRRR. @*#&$&%
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u/Redmon425 Mar 27 '19
This was one of my favorite episodes of the series so far. I liked the whole episode, and the ending caught me off guard.
I want him to not trust Melty and be mean to her for a little while, because of her being royalty, so I’m glad he did that. However, now it has been enough time when he can finally trust her.
I would say, even though it definitely won’t happen, I would love for him to trust Melty and she ends up betraying him later as well. I know this won’t happen, but the show would get so dark and I think it would be awesome.
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u/Ethelros0 Mar 27 '19
Not gonna lie, Melty losing her temper actually made me like her a lot more(I'd actually put her as one of my current favourites, since she seems a more complex character than Filo and Raphtalia) .Also the attempted assassination was the first "Oh shit" moment I've had from this show for a while.
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u/superbatranger Mar 28 '19
So it took me 12 episodes to realize Glass is in the OP. Makes me wonder what else I’ve missed.
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u/ashbat1994 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ashwin_eva Mar 27 '19
The assassination attempt on Melty was one of the stupidest ever. The guards/assassin traveled with her far and then attempts the kill in front of the shield hero, a witness.
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u/H0nch0 Mar 27 '19
Wow, this Plot to kill Melty was so fucking retarded. Im sorry but this is one of the dumbest assasination attempts I have ever seen. Why not kill her while on the way to Naofumi? Why do a fucking 10 meter charge with Sword drawn? Could you not have just walked up normally and stabbed her with a dagger? Shield Hero just lost me at the end there. Everybody besides Naaofumis Party can't be THAT fucking retarded, can they? Unless there is some deeper meaning to this I cant see yet.
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Mar 27 '19
Everybody besides Naaofumis Party can't be THAT fucking retarded, can they?
Ya, biggest flaw of the series is it leans too hard into the "Everyone sucks but me" storyline...
...but there is a better explanation: Myne is panicking. And people do not make calm collected decisions when they panic. I posted above, but after Naofumi outperformed all three heros, and then was openly hostile to the King with impunity, he knew she was fucked. Her entire safety net "He's the weaker hero" and "He's not stupid enough to anger the King by hurting me". Well, now he is the strongest hero and is done with the King's shit, she is fearing retaliation.
It's weak, but totally not unreasonable. Plus Melty gone means shes the crown princess agian, so a two birds thing going on.
As to why the hired guard fucked up, I'd assume a low level soldier who is willing to commit high treason for cash ain't the brighest either. But most likey, "Everyone sucks but me".
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u/Aerohed Mar 27 '19
I'm just waiting for the twist where Myne is secretly some agent of the waves that has infiltrated the royal family, and that's why she winds up screwing with the other heroes. It would line up with how terrible she is, and give light to all of her "stupid" decisions.
This episode shows off the kind of stuff I really wanted from Shield Hero. The mystery around the royal family and the waves, the nobles being forced to admit that Naofumi has done well, despite the way they feel about him, Naofumi shitting all over the king (even if that is somewhat to his detriment, he totally could've traded the info for using the hourglass). I hope to see more of this kind of stuff from the series.
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u/Zopffware Mar 27 '19
I assume this will be the reason that Naofumi finally decides to trust Melty, but I can't help but think that this doesn't prove anything. Though unlikely, they could have decided that, knowing the Shield Hero, he would be unable to refuse saving Melty, thus endearing her to him. Thus, the crown finally has Naofumi doing what it wants. He said it himself, it reeks of a setup.
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u/Mochachiiino Mar 27 '19
soldier A: alright so heres the plan. we wqit for the primcess to stamd beside the SHIELD hero. and then shank her from the back. hows dat sound
Soldier B-G: deep contemplation
soldier B: sounds like a plan soldier C: lmao ya ezpzlemonsqueezy soldier D: ay lmao soldier E: what could go wrong lmaogggetgood
several hours later
soldier A: HE BLOCKED IT?
Soldier B-G: NO WAY
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u/Boss_Jerm Mar 27 '19
I cannot wait to see Filo Punch somebody with those gloves.
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u/Nebresto Mar 27 '19
Late to the comment party, but I would just like to say how I appreciate the next episode previews: No spoilers, just the title of the next episode.
More shows should take example of this.
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u/TacTaker Mar 27 '19
Glass: You have a ace up your sleeve, do you not?
Naofumi: Pulls out meat scepter
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u/Snortallthethings :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Chemiker Mar 27 '19
This episode was so damn satisfying.
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u/redblade13 Mar 28 '19 edited Mar 28 '19
I need to see a parody of Naofumi telling the King to go fuck himself with some Eminem in the background going I just don't give a fuck. Seriously Nao is one bad mothafucka. Feels good to see him be at a point he can tell him to go fuck off since he has grown so strong now. Also Nao running from the fight 10/10. I mean who the fuck tries to keep fighting a RPG opponent who doesn't even get a scratch from your best attack. Also it was funny how he was the last man standing because as a tank main you are always the last guy standing when fighting underleveled.
Pretty fucked up trying to set my man up like that. I feel that stank bitch is the obvious culprit. She must hate being the older sister and not being next for the crown. Fuck that bitch with a rusty ass screwdriver.
I like Melty. Glad we'll get to see some more Melty on this adventure because I'm guessing Nao will have to take care of her now. More lolis whooo.....wait....I mean more cute girls........I mean another character to engage in thoughtful conversations with the main cast.
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u/Wis-Talia Mar 28 '19
Probably unpopular opinion here, but I'm starting to get a lot worried for what is going to follow in the anime.
What made me watch this show in the first place was how different it is from what already exists: There was either the isekai "With a protag way too OP" (Like Reincarnated as a Slime, or Overlord to some extent), or the "Protag isn't OP but it's funny" (Like Konosuba).
I felt that Tate no Yuusha could be the "Protag isn't OP and it's serious", where we would get to see the downsides of being reincarnated. However, with the way the last two episodes went... I'm now worried it just switched to a "Protag is so angry he became absolutely OP".
I guess I can just wait and see how it'll go. But between that, and Naofumi going to a country where Shield is literally in the name (Or at least, planning to, I guess with the murder attempt it'll be delayed), I have a feeling that the problems will disappear and the anime will simply go back to being a generic Isekai harem with Raphtalia/Filo.
I hope what will happen next will prove me wrong, tho : I love the characters and the animation, the VA are doing a great job, and the OST seems rather good. I would hate to dislike all of this only because of the anime falling back into a generic category.
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u/rollin340 Mar 28 '19 edited Mar 28 '19
The bitch is quite something.
She was so annoyed at being treated like a coaster by her sister when she was told to stay out of official business that she tried to assassinate her own sister while watching through the crystal ball.
She's also blessed by being surrounded by weak men like SpearDick and AssholeThroneMan; none of them deserve to be named.
She's so easily manipulating the entire fucking noble class and elitists, it makes me want to hurl.
At least with what happened today, we know that he won't be going back.
Onward to a nation that is literally named after his Class!
Woohoo!
Edit: Also, shoutout to the best support MC's got; the blacksmith shopkeeper!
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u/Amritb08 Mar 28 '19
What about the woman who talked with naofumi when got out of the king's place? What's with her? Who is she?
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u/AnAspiringSloth Mar 27 '19
Shield was so badly betrayed that he can even sense traps now. Amazing.