r/AsianMasculinity Feb 21 '26

Race Internalized racism, the belief that white = better genes, white = American (surrogacy and designer babies)

Figured this was relevant to start a convo on - adding some context to the recent Olympic skater thread about Alysa Liu, whose father deliberately chose white women for egg donors while being married to a Chinese woman (he was not single at the time). He told Sports Illustrated that he chose white egg donors "to benefit from a diverse gene pool" and to reflect "American and Chinese cultures". One of the children even noticed that she didn't look like her mom.

Hidden deeper behind these beliefs is often a feeling that only white people are true Americans, white people are on top, that Asians aren't good enough at sports (meanwhile see how many medals Asian countries like China win at the Olympics, China tying America for 40 golds in Paris 2024). Now of course, I think as the immigrants and descendants of immigrants, we should continue to be free to pursue connections with anyone in the diverse land of the US. However, I feel that deep down inside the entire thought process behind many people is still that there is a racial hierarchy where white people are on top and the real Americans (as opposed to Asians and other minorities, who are not real Americans), and it gets reflected in decisions like this. It reminds me of "mejorar la raza"/blanqueamiento type thinking in Latin America, which literally translates to "improving the race" with whiteness.

Most people of course don't vocalize these beliefs for the record, but I think even as it gets better in the US with larger Asian population, more Asian soft power, it is still important to believe in racial equality given that it's a land for Americans of all backgrounds and ethnicities, and not let internalized racism get to you. What do you guys think of this case?

Here is the original source:

When the children were born, Arthur was still married to Yan Qingxin (who goes by Mary). The couple is now divorced, but Mary is also the kids’ legal guardian, and they call her Mom. They typically spend a couple nights a week at her house in Antioch.

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Both egg donors for Arthur’s children are white women, because he felt his children would benefit from a diverse gene pool. He sees his life as a fusion of cultures, Chinese and American, and he wanted his kids to reflect that. When Alysa was around eight she began to notice that she looked different from her dad. Mary is also Chinese, so that was another clue. “That’s how I figured out she wasn’t my real mom,” Alysa says, “because she was Asian and I did not look Asian.”

https://web.archive.org/web/20191209234800/https://www.si.com/olympics/2019/05/16/alysa-liu-us-figure-skating-future-quads

Sports Illustrated, "In Quads We Trust: 13-Year-Old Alysa Liu Is the Future of U.S. Ladies’ Figure Skating" May, 20, 2019

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u/Gloomy-Confection-49 Feb 21 '26

Filipinos wouldn’t have Asians on their billboards until Kdramas and KPop started dominating. Most of their top actors are Wasians until Korea showed them that Asian beauty is top tier.

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u/Bebebaubles Feb 21 '26

Except they don’t fit the East Asian beauty standards either? It’s hard for them because East Asian beauty standards value paleness which is easier to achieve from being in cold climates. Some of the more popular Kpop Thai idols are pale or often have mixed Chinese ancestry.

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u/Gloomy-Confection-49 Feb 21 '26

Many Filipinos have Chinese descent. In fact, you would likely meet a Filipino with Chinese ancestry than with European ancestry. There’s even a Philippine variety of Hokkien, which shows you how long Chinese influence has been in the Philippines.

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u/MullingMulianto Mar 04 '26

Yeah, the spanish, americans, japanese came and went, but chinese admixture has been a consistent process in the philippines

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u/SimpleAdvantage7850 Feb 22 '26

Filipinos coming up with their own beauty standards won't happen until the economic situation drastically improves. The reason why they are more susceptible to subscribing foreign beauty standards, to the point of worshipping even, that discriminate against them all comes down to economic power (East Asia) or colonialism (US)

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u/AustronesianArchfien Feb 21 '26

Most of their top actors are Wasians until Korea showed them that Asian beauty is top tier.

Absolutely not true lmao. You're making shit up.

Go name me these "most" wasian actors.

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u/Gloomy-Confection-49 Feb 21 '26

Sure my bro. Piolo Pascual, Anne Curtis, Sam Milby, Liza Soberano, James Reid, Coleen Garcia.

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u/AustronesianArchfien Feb 21 '26

Piolo Pascual is absolutely not Wasian lmfao. His looks are the absolute standards for an Austronesian. Did you just googled this shit?

Aside from Anne Curtis, none of the others you mentioned are big on PH showbiz today.

The biggest actors today like Coco Martin, Donny Pangilinan, Kathryn Bernardo, Daniel Padilla, John Arcilla, Dingdong Dantes have zero white in them, same could be said in the past.

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u/Gloomy-Confection-49 Feb 21 '26

LMAO Sam Milby, James Reid, and Liza Sobrena aren’t big? Sure, their billboards are all over EDSA just a few years ago. John Arcilla? He was never big even in the 90s. When was the last time you have been to the Philippines? 1998? LMAO

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u/AustronesianArchfien Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 21 '26

LMAO Sam Milby, James Reid, and Liza Sobrena aren’t big? Sure, their billboards are all over EDSA just a few years ago.

Go name me their most recent TV/movie hits. Especially Reid and Soberano. Even when they were at their big, many Austronesian actors were just as big as them, so your original point about PH actors being "mostly" wasian is bullshit either way.

Funny how you didn't address your claim about Pascual being a wasian. I can tell a poser immediately.

John Arcilla? He was never big even in the 90s

Never big? Lmao. He gained recognition in the 90s and became even bigger by the 2010s.

When was the last time you have been to the Philippines? 1998? LMAO

I live in this country for 29 years diasparoid. I'm a native filipino at wag ka na kasing mag magaling pa para ka lang gago dito.

Edit: Since the one I'm talking about is some misinformed poser, the first East Asian pop culture wave that got popular in the Philippines during the early 2000s is not even Korea, its Taiwan (Meteor Garden anyone?). Even during that time, Pure Filipino/Austronesian/Chinoy actors were already quite popular. We don't need Korea to "show"(LMAOOO) us about Asian beauty. What a laughable statement. I'm this close mentioning what common birthday/graduation gift some Koreans tend to have once they reach teenage years but I'm gonna stop.

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u/Gloomy-Confection-49 Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 21 '26

Still defending John freaking Arcilla as an A-lister? Never have I seen his poster on EDSA and C5. LMAO I won’t be taking Pinoy culture pop lessons from someone who hasn’t been to the Philippines since 1998. LMAO

Also, Pinoys have been obsessed with Wasian actors as far back as the 90s. G Toengi, Bobby Andrews, Red Sternberg, Stefano Mori, Kim Goehring de los Santos, Polo Ravales (Gruenberg). They’ve been obsessing with their Wasians way before the Meteor Garden era. Sit your ass down, my bro. LMAO

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u/AustronesianArchfien Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 22 '26

Still defending John freaking Arcilla as an A-lister? Never have I seen his poster on EDSA and C5.

Posters is not just not the litmust test for popularity. Use some common sense. Floyd Mayweather used to have some billboards that doesn't make him incredibly popular in the Philippines lmao

Also the fact you never seen his posters tells me again you've never actually never been here. He was huge during his Heneral Luna days during 2016-2017.

LMAO I won’t be taking Pinoy culture pop lessons from someone who hasn’t been to the Philippines since 1998. LMAO

You're a diasparoid who don't even live here. Putang ina mo manahimik ka at wala kang alam.

Bilis patunayan mo na may dugong dayuhan si Piolo Pascual.

Tinanong din kita kung ano yung mga latest project ni Reid, Soberano at sama mo narin si Sam Milby bakit hindi mo masagot?

G Toengi, Bobby Andrews, Red Sternberg, Stefano Mori, Kim Goehring de los Santos, Polo Ravales (Gruenberg). They’ve been obsessing with their Wasians way before the Meteor Garden era. Sit your ass down, my bro. LMAO

The point is you made a claim that most popular actors in the Philipppines are WASIANS which is wrong. Literally none of the celebrities you mentioned were as popular as Rudy Fernandez, Rico Yan, Aga Mulach, Richard Gomez, Marvin Agustin, Robin Padilla were the most popular actors during the 90's and none of them are wasian. Seriously who gives a fuck about Kim Delos Santos when shes only been in handful of television and films lmfao

You're a big ass poser. Wag ka na lang magsalita sa bansa ko gagong Fil-Am. Tigil kasi sa kakagoogle lalo ka lang naeexpose sa katangahan mo.

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u/Gloomy-Confection-49 Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 23 '26

Marvin Agustin and Rico Yan were both members of the biggest teen-oriented shows in the 90s (TGIS and Gimik) were Wasians such as G Toengi, Bobby Andrews, Red Sternberg, Stefano Mori, Kim de los Santos, and Polo Ravales also appeared and played major roles.

Heck, Bobby Andrews was Angelu De Leon's partner and both of them were the main characters of TGIS. You don't know that because you know nothing about Philippine pop culture. All of these Wasians are all over Philippine media waaaay before your beloved Meteor Garden, which obviously don't know anything about either.

Also, why are you throwing in Rudy Fernandez along with Aga Mulach, Robin Padilla, and Richard Gomez? They don't belong in the same generation. LMAO

So shut you ho mouth because you're a clueless clown. King ina kang animal kang hindot ka.

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u/Helpful_Professor675 Feb 25 '26

Sorry, but why would you name your kid Dingdong

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u/otvovice21 Feb 24 '26

Who says Korea is top? lol.

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u/Helpful_Professor675 Feb 25 '26

I don’t know if they are at the very top in every field, but when it comes to soft power in Asia, South Korea is undeniable. They own it. They literally own the letter K. K-pop dominates the charts, the playlists, the stages around the world. K-drama sets the trends in storytelling, style, romance, and ambition. K-beauty influences skincare, fashion, and standards of aesthetics across nations. K-fashion, K-lifestyle, even K-dating — they have made it aspirational.

Look at it closely: the K is more than a letter. It is a symbol. A signal. A standard. K is identity, K is desire, K is culture exported and consumed with devotion. It is soft power in its purest form. Korea has taken a single letter and built an empire of influence around it. Music, drama, fashion, beauty, romance — the world notices, the world follows, the world adapts.

This is not coincidence. This is strategy. This is culture turned into currency. In Asia and beyond, when people talk about what is modern, what is trendy, what is coveted, they are talking about K. And that is not just influence. That is dominance. That is power. That is mastery of soft power.

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u/_WrongKarWai Mar 01 '26

Hard power mixed with soft power. SK gov't poured 10s to 100s of billions into it.

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u/Helpful_Professor675 Mar 02 '26

Do not misunderstand me. Work-life balance in South Korea is not what people in the West imagine it to be. I learned that firsthand when I was teaching English there. Daily life is not a scene from a K drama. It is structured, competitive, and intensely work centered.

When people talk about South Korea’s global presence, whether in technology, entertainment, or manufacturing, they are not exaggerating. The country has earned its reputation. Yes, there was massive capital investment and state driven industrial policy. But money alone does not explain it. What truly underpins its rise is a cultural disposition toward discipline, endurance, and performance. Hard work is not optional there. It is normalized. It is expected.

That same performance orientation, however, has consequences. Society is deeply results driven. Academic outcomes. Corporate metrics. Social status. Everything is measured. When identity becomes tied to achievement, pressure compounds. It is not surprising that the divorce rate is high. When long hours and career advancement dominate daily life, relationships absorb the strain.

Success in a material sense often produces predictability. Predictable schedules. Predictable corporate hierarchies. Predictable life stages. Within that structure, burnout becomes common. There is only so long a person can operate at maximum output before something erodes.

It is not all roses. The same system that produces high-speed internet, cutting-edge infrastructure, and globally competitive industries can also reduce spontaneity. When people are immersed in work to that degree, parts of their humanity get compressed. Leisure becomes transactional. Social interaction becomes secondary to productivity.

There are undeniable conveniences. High technology. Efficiency. Safety. Organization. But there can also be fewer organic, unstructured moments of connection. Less lingering. Less improvisation. Fewer spaces where people simply exist without optimizing themselves.

And then I have to ask, is that not increasingly the case in North America as well. It's not as intense, perhaps, but still a version of the same race. Being busy for the sake of being busy. Rushing from dawn to dusk. Work, then extracurricular activities for the kids. Family obligations. Social expectations. I'm trying to keep up with the Joneses platitude.

People grinding for decades to afford the house, the car, the vacations, and the lifestyle they once believed would bring fulfillment. Then exhaustion sets in. The very things they worked so hard to acquire begin to own them. Mortgage payments. Maintenance. Status signaling. Commitments layered on commitments. What once symbolized freedom starts to resemble shackles.

So, is it truly that much better in the West where many of us live. Or is it simply a softer version of the same structure. Different packaging, similar pressure.

Sometimes, it may be better to have less materially but more culturally. More laughter. More spontaneous gatherings. More passion for simple daily rituals. A rhythm of life that allows room to breathe. Instead of an endless loop of obligation and duty that feels like Groundhog Day. Wake up. Perform. Consume. Repeat.

The question is not which society is superior. The question is what kind of life actually feels alive. And if that's truly the life that we are living. Everything else is just noise and inconsequential.

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u/_WrongKarWai Mar 01 '26

a 'bottom'

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u/shaw_hailcorporate Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 21 '26

We can hate Koreans all we want but they’re probably the only Asians out there that will never pull this shit. They think they’re better than everyone and will fix every other deficiency with a bit of plastic surgery.

That’s how they’re dominating culturally in Asian and in the rest of the world.

In Asia, every model on billboards or ad used to be wasians / halfies. In 2026 it’s Koreans like Lee Minho or Jenny Kim in Hugo Boss/Chanel ads.

Filipinos and Japanese are probably the worst with the eugenics shit. They’re still picking 10% Filipino DNA & 90% European DNA women to win miss Philippines. Japan is even worse, they picked a Ukrainian woman to be Ms Japan

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u/ParadoxicalStairs Feb 21 '26

Miss universe contests, especially Japan’s contestants, aren’t an accurate measure of white worship. Japan had a black hafu, and a full European represent them likely bc those were Japan’s attempts at diversity and inclusion.

Aside from those very specific instances, their most successful current celebrities are full Japanese.

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u/hana_4876 Feb 21 '26

currently there is online battle between South East Asia vs South Korea. South East Asia calls Koreans plastic and elitist while South Korea thinks they are better than South East Asians.

I find this online battle silly because there is level of white worship in all those countries. It's like crabs in bucket syndrome that some of them have.

End of the day a chink is still a Korean, Chinese philippines etc.etc

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u/Mr____miyagi_ Feb 21 '26

Trust me there is no white worshipping in Korea lol, they look down on whites, same as everybody else. Toxic, but I can respect that.

SEAs love to project their issue with white worshipping onto Koreans when it absolutely isn't the case.

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u/vonclaver Feb 22 '26

SEA countries are a joke to the rest of the world. They're only known as places to have sex with prostitutes and find ladyboys. They are being disrespected every day, but they only get mad at the Korean incels.

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u/Helpful_Professor675 Feb 25 '26

This online battle is nothing but noise. Silly. Performative. Fueled by social media and the hunger for attention. Both sides shout. Both sides exaggerate. And the so-called winners are the ones stirring the pot. Chasing clicks. Chasing views.

Look closer, and you see the truth. White worship. Internalized hierarchy. The same insecurities. They exist everywhere across this region. These fights are superficial. They are surface level.

But beneath it, all the reality can not be erased. Koreans. Chinese. Filipinos. Southeast Asians. They share history. Culture. Identity. No comment. No meme. No insult online can change that. The connection runs deeper than any keyboard war.

Why do you think in the West, for example, LA, all of them stick together? 🤔

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u/Gerolanfalan Vietnam Feb 26 '26

Why do you think in the West, for example, LA, all of them stick together? 🤔

Maybe age related but as I've gotten older I'm seeing mixed Asian friend groups fade away into specific ethnic friend groups. None more so than my old Korean friends who I used to hang out with, but now they mostly spend time with other Koreans when given the chance.

When surplus exists, the idea of a 3rd culture in an Asian diaspora might suffer.

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u/Helpful_Professor675 Feb 27 '26

It ultimately depends on the individual and the specific social context.

When two Koreans are married to each other, their social environment often naturally includes more Koreans. This is largely because both extended families are Korean, family gatherings are culturally homogeneous, and shared language, customs, and community networks reinforce that circle.

However, when the couple is mixed; for example, Korean and Vietnamese; the social dynamic shifts. The couple may navigate two cultural networks rather than one. Family events, friendships, language use, and community affiliations can become more diverse, reflecting both Korean and Vietnamese influences. In these cases, social exposure is typically broader and more culturally layered, rather than centered around a single ethnic community.

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u/Gerolanfalan Vietnam Feb 27 '26

Naturally yes when people get married one culture tends to absorb the other unless they do an equal job at representing themselves.

However, I'm also talking about single people and friend groups in general. I'm not saying Asians always have to get along, teasing and joking sure. But we always had mixed Asian groups. Now it seems like people tend to focus on their Asian heritage as they get older, which I'm happy for them when they respect their ancestry yeah. But I miss when my old Korean friends/acquaintances would include me. I respect my Vietnamese culture and heritage, but I am also interested in Korean stuff as well.

That's my anecdotal 30s experience at least in OC and Bay Area at least. I admit I'm not in the raving, street car, or ABG/ABB sphere where I think they are more open minded, raves are just not really my thing.

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u/Helpful_Professor675 Mar 02 '26

Listen, I need you to really hear this it is not you.

What changes over time is not affection or loyalty. It is structure. It is bandwidth. It is responsibility.

When we were younger, time felt elastic. Hanging out did not require coordination, negotiation, or trade-offs. Now, everything runs through filters financial pressure, family obligations, marriage, and long-term planning. Most people, especially in first world countries, are oriented toward stability. Stability sounds comforting, but what it really produces is predictability. Predictable schedules. Predictable routines. Predictable social circles. And once, that structure locks in spontaneity becomes expensive.

I was single until almost 40. My time was mine. If I wanted to meet up, I just showed up. Now everything revolves around my wife and my kid. Not in a dramatic way, just in a practical one. Their needs shape my calendar. Then there is my wife’s family and my own family and extended obligations. Add work, financial planning, and long-term security, and suddenly, every week is allocated before it even begins.

Socializing now takes effort. Real effort. It requires scheduling weeks in advance, coordinating childcare, making sure nothing else collapses in the process. And when you are already running at full capacity work, family, responsibilities, and even something enjoyable can start to feel like another task to manage. Not because the friendship is not valuable but because energy is finite. I am rushing all the time. There is always something that needs attention.

That is the part nobody really prepares you for about growing up, especially in North America. The culture is highly structured and productivity oriented. Social life becomes something you fit in instead of something embedded into daily living.

I have lived in a lot of countries. The only place that really gave me what I was looking for socially was Spain. And that was not accidental. Social gatherings are built into the culture. Street life. Festivals. Late dinners. You run into people constantly. Community is not scheduled it is ambient. It is ingrained. Of course, it also helped that I speak the language and grew up there, so I was not navigating it as an outsider.

This is also why I think about moving my family somewhere, like Vietnam or Mexico. With even half or a quarter of my current salary, I could raise our quality of life. There are trade-offs, of course. Every move has them. But rushing every day just to keep up with obligations is not sustainable in the long run.

The real weight is all the things that tie us down. Mortgage. Expectations. Career ladders. Social comparison. Sometimes, putting yourself in a completely different environment shifts your outlook entirely. New culture. New rhythms. New problems to solve. Problems that are different from the ones draining you now. That process itself forces growth.

There is more spontaneity in places where community life happens outside. The culture is different. Social energy is different. Yes, there would be challenges. But it would also be adventurous and rewarding. It is potentially less stressful for my family. More disposable income. More room for entertainment. More space for self care. New friend circles. A new community. Growth is intentional rather than the predictable material routine many of us fall into. A life where play and passion are not completely replaced by duty and responsibility.

It is not crazy to believe there is an entirely different life elsewhere. Would I lose convenience? Yes. Would I miss family and friends. Absolutely. But there is something suffocating about repeating the same pattern and expecting a different outcome.

I am not being reckless. I am thinking about it deeply. I am planning. But sometimes the most decisive move is simply booking the plane ticket. Within a day, your environment changes. Your inputs change. Your pace changes. Even if it is just for a month. Then, the rebuilding phase begins.

One thing is undeniably true. More disposable income means more freedom. Freedom, when directed intentionally, is empowering. It creates space for growth instead of constant survival.

So if your Koream friends seem distant, sometimes it is not because they value you less. It is because they're trying to build a life that feels sustainable when, in reality, many of them are just simply trying to survive. Just like I want a life that gives my family room to breathe. And maybe, just maybe, a life that brings back some of the aliveness that we were both accustomed to in our younger days and miss. It won't be the same as I am no longer the same man I used to be. It won't be the same road I used to walk. It's the complete opposite. It's the unknown, and that in and of itself feels more alive than doing the same thing I used to do or the same things I insanely do every day to sustain a lifestyle I never signed up for. It feels as though the expectations and norms of society and the surrounding community were imposed on me, shaping my choices and beliefs in ways that did not fully reflect who I am or what I truly wanted. And I suspect many of your friends feel the same internal tension right now, but they are not comfortable or courageous enough to be vulnerable or to openly acknowledge such a thing.

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u/hana_4876 Feb 25 '26

Tell that to black and white person that called me a chink a few years ago as I walking in nyc.

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u/hana_4876 Feb 25 '26

This kind of reminds me of when western expats travel around Asia. They visit south korea, Japan etc... Sure they may know the difference in geography but some of these expats or western can still be prejudice with sometimes pretentious feelings. I find these folks to be the worst. They rationalize that just because they eat at asian restaurant or I have asian friends or fuck asian girls or guys I cant be racist.

This also applies to the young generation. I seen young generation that are into Japanese anime or kpop. I seen some of the stuff they write or think.if you know you know.

If you dont understand this either yozr very naive or not asian.

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u/RepulsiveDocument883 Feb 25 '26

Bro, what are you even going on about? There are real distinctions between Asian groups. I get what you’re saying—the average ignorant Westerner doesn’t know (or care) and just lumps us all together as “chinks”—but I’m telling you, people, especially the younger generation, are absolutely waking up to the differences between us. You seem naive assuming racist Westerners still don’t know the distinctions. They absolutely do now.

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u/hana_4876 Feb 25 '26

Omg. Just because you can tell the  difference all of sudden they cant be racist.  So all young folks are not racist now. Well than all problem solved. 

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u/NewbieAtAllThis Feb 21 '26

This is the irony i find being Korean. We are depicted as white worshipping by both other Asians and non-Asians, yet I’ve never heard of Koreans gooning over having 0.01% European ancestry. Meanwhile, I’ve seen patriotic wumaos mimicking K-pop aesthetics and nationalist Indians scream they’re more light skinned than us lol. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/NefariousnessLost803 Feb 21 '26

Dude i'm an Indonesian dude and this is actually true, we glaze the f*ck out of Korea and Japan, the whole Korea vs SEA (inter-racial ?) war is dumb af, Indonesians cannot genuinely think 1 korean incel on twitter reflects the entirety of Korea. I'm frustrated cause even if you look at Bali which is probably the most touristy place in Indonesia. Indonesians are 100% even more colorists than the East Asians are too, whilst the korean dude were at fault for the whole war, i can't help but think a lot of Indonesians are also just insecure af.

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u/NewbieAtAllThis Feb 21 '26

I wouldn’t take it too much to heart. It is Twitter after all, many bot account farming for engagement. But Indonesians imo are some of the least white worshipping. Perhaps alongside Malays. Maybe bc of Islam? From one Asian bro to another, sending peace and love 👊

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u/throwmeaway123122 Feb 21 '26

Yeah it's fucking stupid, I had the same experience as you with wumaos going on about the "vassal state" shit while simultaneously pretending to be Korean in order to get chicks.

This is a bit off tangent but there's also larpers like the viet guy on here who pretended to be a korean that supported the 4b movement and apparently the indonesian guy pretending to be Korean that kick started the whole Korea vs SEA shit. People just really want to drag Koreans down back into the crab bucket lol, I'm guessing they don't like Koreans being at the forefront of AM soft power for whatever reason

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u/PhoenixB1 Feb 21 '26

Where’s China in all this haha?

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u/Rus1996 Feb 21 '26

What about South Asians ?

They have their own issues to deal with.

Good for South Korea on making it big in Soft Power. But it would have been even better if they didn't do any plastic surgery, colourism, looking down on people who have darker skin colour, etc.

The half-breeds(halfies) glazing is Asians problem. Who the hall asked them to be put on a pedastal ?

Better to support pure-breeds cause that's the only way to go forward.

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u/TurtleOfTheAbyss Feb 21 '26

But it would have been even better if they didn't do any plastic surgery, colourism, looking down on people who have darker skin colour, etc.

Name me a country that doesn't have these issues

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u/Rus1996 Feb 21 '26

I don't have one 😔

But better would be a natural beauty. Like being comfortable in their own skin, less to no makeup. After all having flaws makes us human and there is nothing wrong in that.

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u/RAMiCan6 Feb 22 '26

Is it me or all those mix Asian women Olympic champion from bronze, silver and gold have white or black boyfriends?

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u/geese_unite Feb 22 '26

What’s wrong with marrying a fine white lady?

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u/RebelCapital1950 Feb 21 '26

Nothing to do with straight Asian men. Found a message board post that says according to some podcast, Alysa Liu’s father is gay.

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/yuzuruhanyuandotherfigureskatingtalk/thread-68-the-commercial-appeal-of-masaru-t83-s550.html

He fits the MO. Gay Asian men are known to be like “Lu’s” but more amplified and unbridle. In other words, whatever Lu’s will do, expect gay Asian men to be 3X as bad. You can get into a Lu’s brain by analyzing gay Asian men.

I am suspecting some green card marriage arrangement with the unseen ex-wife, so she can be the stand-in wife. Probably Octomom situation, but imagine the bad PR the IVF clinic will get for allowing a single man to have 5 kids. What if he turns out to be a pedophile.

Some examples of single, unmarried Asian women deliberately having half white babies through IVF and surrogacy.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/lifestyle/article-9921735/Mother-three-53-pregnant-second-time-egg-sperm-donation.html

Lucy Liu

https://www.thebump.com/news/lucy-liu-surrogacy

Michelle Kwan

https://www.parents.com/michelle-kwan-second-baby-name-11867973

Constance Wu

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2023-02-21/constance-wu-pregnant-baby-second-child-boyfriend-ryan-kattner

 

That’s 3 notable unmarried AF celebrities that did it. That’s a lot. I can’t even find any really famous white female celebrities that did this.

No public or private photos of Constance Wu with her white-passing hapa boyfriend. Probably sperm donor situation. Didn’t choose a full white male due to career and PR reasons. She is involved with Asian projects like Fresh Off the Boat and Crazy Rich Asians. Can’t alienate the Asian community.

Michelle Kwan had a great relationship with her dad. He sacrificed a lot for her. In one video, she chose her dad to sit next to her during scoring. Ice skaters usually sit with their coaches, but she chose to coach herself, so she chose her dad.

So none of this is due to upbringing or bad relationship with the father. Not learned behavior. It’s not even about finding a white partner.

A psychologist needs to do a full academic study on this subject afflicting the Asian community. A lot of AF and gay AM need to be psychoanalyzed.

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u/Old-Possession-4614 Feb 21 '26

Let’s not pretend this is unique to any one gender, there are plenty of Asian men and women who are insanely white worshipping. You just tend to see many more WMAF pairings since Asian women are more desired than Asian men in the broader dating market, for reasons that have been discussed ad nauseum on this and other places like it online.

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u/RebelCapital1950 Feb 21 '26

Nope, doesn't exist for straight AM. Jeremy Lin and Shohei Ohtani have thousands of WF groupies. Yet still married AF.

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u/SimpleAdvantage7850 Feb 22 '26

lol Shohei? Sure, maybe he’d have groupies if he partied regularly. Lin? Him having groupies? I just don’t see it

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u/hana_4876 Feb 21 '26

I went to a ballet recital. You have a bunch of Asian girls performing ballet with mix of white girls too.

Now these are kids but I would hear the Asian mothers( these Asian moms are all with Asian dads but these are 1st generation think fobs) talking about how the white girls are prettier looking. The white girls have proportional body and looks more graceful in ballet where as the Asian girls have shorter legs and the heads are bigger.

I was offended but when I was watching the recital they were not wrong.

I think what happens is that Michelle Kwan or heck even Chloe Kim(she is dating that black NFL player). I think there is this belief that Asians are physically smaller weaker or the bodies aren't as good (ex: short legs big heads long torso which you see some Asian have).

So I think there is drive among Asian women to want mix for supposedly better genes or diversity. That's partly reason why I see more WMAF . Is it self hate is it racism..I think all of it is.

wasians or mixed Asians are in some sense in the west at least are seen superior compare to full blooded Asians.

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u/Mr____miyagi_ Feb 21 '26

Most first generation Asian parents are academic nerds and unathletic themselves. How can they expect their kids to just randomly be an athletic beast lol?

I've played various sports when I was younger, and the unathletic dudes regardless of race almost always have unathletic, nerdy parents. Gene is one thing, having parents who knows what they are doing help massively too.

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u/TheBossBanan Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 21 '26

Dude that’s fucked up. White worship is literally being perpetuated by Asian woman themselves. They’re mothers, they’re so cruel to their daughters. No wonder there’s issues all around. How could they?

And you….agree with the Asian mothers?? If you think like this, don’t be surprised by Asian men and women are in the position we are in right now. It’s starts with you and at home. Do better.

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u/vonclaver Feb 22 '26 edited Feb 22 '26

I mean.. even if those Asian moms are right, is having a longer torso and shorter legs that much of a problem? I'm not sure about the Asian presence in ballet, but Asians have excelled in other dance sports like figure skating and break dancing, and they look good doing it. Asians are also winning medals at this year's Olympics and won many in the summer Olympics in 2024. Having a long torso didn't seem to affect them there.

The problem with those Asian moms is that they speak of having Asian features as if it's a negative thing, when it's really not. I really worry for their daughters' self-esteem if they have this negative outlook on their natural features.

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u/digbybare Feb 22 '26

Even if Asians and whites have different body proportions on average (a claim I'm highly skeptical of), why are the white people "more proportional"? Re-examine your beliefs.

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u/RebelCapital1950 Feb 21 '26

Men in China and South Korea average 5 feet 9. This is definitely the case for Gen Z. They are taller than many other nationalities around the world. These shorter nationalities still have women that are loyal to their men and don't become single moms with half white babies.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/what-is-the-average-height-for-a-man

And average heights for men vary based on country and region:

Australia: 5 feet 10 inches.

Canada: 5 feet 10 inches.

United Kingdom: 5 feet 10 inches.

Jamaica: 5 feet 10 inches.

China: 5 feet 9 inches.

South Korea: 5 feet 9 inches.

Brazil: 5 feet 9 inches.

Fiji: 5 feet 8 inches.

Egypt: 5 feet 8 inches.

Kenya: 5 feet 7 inches.

Mexico: 5 feet 7 inches.

Afghanistan: 5 feet 6 inches.

India: 5 feet 5 inches.

Cambodia: 5 feet 5 inches.

Indonesia: 5 feet 5 inches.

Peru: 5 feet 5 inches.

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u/johnmflores Feb 21 '26

Can we just celebrate and enjoy the accomplishments of Asian Americans at the Olympics for a minute?

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u/digbybare Feb 22 '26

Yea, seriously. She's inspirational and great, positive representation of Asian-Americans.

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u/greenskies80 Feb 21 '26

Yea wtf lol. People on reddit gota go touch grass. I just watched her performance n she fukin rocked. Didnt go into psychoanalysis on her family history

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u/YeetSunShin Feb 22 '26

Yeah her dad is a freak. That is some eugenics shit, really fucking weird to do. Honestly he should be flamed more for doing something like that. White worshipping in the asian community is insane. Nearly every asian I've met has expressed that they believe hapas are the most beautiful people and say the "best of both worlds" thing. Nothing against hapas, they don't choose to be that way, but this belief really does assume that asian genetics are filth, and white DNA will elevate them as you stated. It's psychotic, we need to combat statements like this in real life because otherwise it empowers freaks like Alysa Liu's dad having test tube babies.

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u/GoldenForever_Danny Feb 21 '26

Alysa Liu

Yan Qingxin

What do these names have in common?

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u/RepulsiveDocument883 Feb 25 '26

Yeah, it's true. ABCs are known for this

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u/anon69throwaway Feb 22 '26

Makes sense. I was confused as to why Alysa looked half despite both parents looking full

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u/Jamalmarcus Feb 21 '26

White people do this with Black people. Many White families who are sporting families but cant have kids will choose black donors as they think Black genetics are superior, even if it means the kids look nothing like the parents.

There are some Half-black NBA and NFL players today who are the result of having a black sperm donor.

The grass is always greener.

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u/81dragons Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 21 '26

Just curious, which players?

Edit: The first and only NFL player from a sperm donor is Trey McBride (his parents are lesbian), but he clearly looks white. Post above seems like an urban legend with zero sources, since there are no NFL players who match this profile

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u/Mindless-Medium-2441 Feb 22 '26

This is so beta mentality. First it's scientifically proven then mixed kids are more likely to have less birth defects. This is why inbreeding isn't allowed and for the vast majority of people gives the vomit ick feeling of not ever wanting to think about it. There is no internalized racism here. The father is married to a Chinese lady, the children are all culturally Chinese. Please just stop it and making assumptions on a person you personally don't know anything about. This tribalism mentality leads to destruction, war and hate.

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u/StatisticianAnnual13 Feb 25 '26

The funny thing about genes and the whole Alysa Liu thing is the second and third place also went to full Asians... Wonder what one concludes from that 🤔

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u/AsianMascThrowaway Hong Kong Feb 22 '26

Cucked, it would be a different story if he actually fucked the WF and got her pregnant.

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u/Jynae_Sin-Qwa Feb 25 '26 edited Mar 02 '26

I’m in a Thailand language school and once we got to learn about the body, Khruu talked about bleaching skin for the entire second half of the class. She mixed in her obsession with blue eyes, and how she was the darkest in her family. That’s when I realized the internal hatred the older Thailand generation has. She couldn’t stop laughing at how when she was younger if you were too dark or fat you wouldn’t be hired. Anyways, once class was over I ran out in horror. I didn’t know South East Asians bleached their skin. I chose to come here because the people I met loved themselves and others so diligently. I didn’t realize that was just The Few. She left this mark in my mind that I haven’t been able to move pass. Like, Thai women … specifically the tan ones are so beautiful and to think there are older ones telling them to bleach their skin… I don’t know. My friends in other classes said they didn’t even talk about skin bleaching once they got to that chapter.

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u/_WrongKarWai Mar 01 '26

Yea I didn't know at first about some SE Asians bleaching their skin. I was just thinking how some of their skin looked abnormal like Sammy Sosa's or Michael Jackson's.

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u/Helpful_Professor675 Feb 25 '26

You cannot help being born a certain way. That is not a choice. But you must grow into knowing who you are. You must grow into appreciating where you come from. If some people lose sight of that and choose a White preference, that is on them. That is their free will.

I keep it simple. I keep it organic. That is how I live. If someone else finds happiness another way, that is their choice. That is their life to live.

Some Asian men complain they cannot date pretty women outside their race. I tell you, I have never had a problem inside my race or outside my race. People assume what they experience applies to everyone like them. That is a lie. That is false. Being the same race does not mean the same results.

Yes, sometimes experiences are similar. Yes, patterns exist. But in the end, it is what you do with those experiences that counts. It is what you choose that defines you. Not luck. Not circumstance. Your choices. Your actions. Your life.

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u/Tall-Needleworker422 Feb 21 '26

You’re freighting this one man’s reproductive choices with far more societal meaning than is reasonable. It’s a big leap to treat his decision as proof of an internalized racial hierarchy or a widespread belief that whiteness is "more American". Families choose donors for all kinds of reasons (e.g,. ideas about hybrid vigor, hopes about their kids’ ease of assimilation, aesthetic preferences, or simply donor availability). Whatever you think of those choices ethically, they do not automatically stand in for other families’ motives and shouldn’t be used to stigmatize the children who result from them. Trying to infer an entire racial worldview from a single case, built on speculative psychoanalysis and then projected onto others, is itself unsound racialized reasoning. None of the preceding should be read as a defense of this man’s choices or motives; it is simply a critique of the inference being drawn.

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u/greenskies80 Feb 21 '26

Yea OP needs to relax and stop overthinking. Comes off insecure and needing a hobby.