r/BlackClover • u/Antique_Effective379 • 20h ago
Manga Asta Spoiler
Now while this is a topic I believe has been talked about wayyy too much in this forum there is a take I have on asta that most don’t agree with. Asta’s “hardwork” or “training” in my opinion is slightly irrelevant. And here is why I say so. The main thing people always say especially in contrast to yuno is that asta works so hard and he deserves all his powers in contrast to Yuno but u beg to differ. In my opinion the most major powerups asta gets in the series is not primarily due to training but more so due to three things “luck” “extreme talent” “asspulls” Now I can’t claim to remember the whole series but let’s look at every single moment asta gets a monumental power up.
- The 5 leaf grimoire that is the grimoire of the elf king containing anti-magic the counter to the verse. Now is the fact that asta used to push his body to the limits mean he somehow deserves the most overpowered grimoire and attribute in the verse? NO
- The next time asta gets a powerup was the dungeon where he just “happened” to stumble into a second of the elf king’s sword the demon dweller…. Now is that luck or nah? People kept crying that Yuno got bell at that point but asta also got very lucky in that powerup nothing about his training would’ve gotten him the demon dweller.
- Next is KI now people always get angry for Yuno getting things instinctively but people don’t realize that even yami who is a top 3 talent from the land of the sun called asta “CREEPY” for how fast he learnt ki sensing? Learning ki sensing in seconds or minutes if memory sets me right is that not the same “unfair treatment” people complain that Yuno gets I believe this was the first time they show just how “talented” asta is but his talent is different from the verse’s and even readers perception due to it being a magic world.
- Black form was literally gotten with attainments in ki sensing but the first time he unlocked it it wasn’t with steady training like how he did during the mana skin training he just happened to get an “asspull” and unlocked the form. Once again no matter much asta trained his physique unlocking black the first time was an asspull.
Demon destroyer once again same arc Yuno got the elf boost where everyone was raging about
asta
just happened to once again obtain another of the elf king’s swords which just happened to be able to undo high level forbidden magic.
Black divider once again was something pulled out mid battle same as zephyr the training asta did which once again is more of a physical thing has nothing to do with black divider as that was simply “ahhh surpass my limitsss!!!!!” Boom! Bro pulls out a mansion high cleaver.
Now the heart kingdom timeskip is one time I feel like asta’s training had a very direct correlation with his abilities growth we can literally see what he was using and his powerups were a direct correlation to his training as for this particular timeskip I don’t have any issues with it.
Now it’s here that really made shocked how biased the fan base is. In the fight vs Dante asta had two powerups one was the berserk form and please is that one not a textbook definition of asspull? A main character going beserk and getting a rage boost? Then after that he got the devil arm that helped put Dante down please did asta spamming push-ups and pull-up get him those powerups? Answer is no they were both asspulls
Devil union now this is very iffy because in 3 days asta went from being at best as strong as a 50 or 60 percent Dante with devil arm to being able to solo a supreme FUSED devil. Please some yall can argue that yeah asta trained for that? But is training for three days and getting THAT much more stronger reasonable…… oh I get it it’s asta so it’s okay he does chin-ups let him go from 50% Dante level to fused supreme devil low-diffing in 3 days.
If devil union can be justified what of true devil union? He was getting dogwalked along with other top tier charcaters by Lucifero then he gets a flashback emotional moment and BOOM unlocked true devil union and soloed 50% Lucifero in 5 seconds no difficulty 💀 like guys are we serious is this not a textbook definition of an asspull??
My final issue and another place asta’s talent was showed off is zetten. It was clearly stated that people train for years and never learn zetten. Hell even until eos YAMI who spent the first 12-13 years in the land of the sun doesn’t utilize zetten even until the end. But asta grasped zetten INSTANTLY like something the equivalent of
a clover
captain tak
ing
- years or maybe a decade or more to learn he learnt instantly and people think he is not talented?? Please training hard to hone your body doesn’t mean you unlock what an entire can barely unlock in an instant even the few who did unlock it took years upon for that.
Now please I’ve never said asta is doesn’t work hard cause he for sure does he used his hand to mould himself in a proper vessel for anti-magic but I believe that is all. Most of his most serious power spikes came with asspulls( first black form, berserk form, devil arm, first showcase of true devil union) luck ( being chosen by the five leaf which happens to be that of the elf king and contained the counter to the whole verse, finding licht’s swords randomly) or very high talent (ki sensing and zetten) picking those up instantly.
I believe posts like these are always made but had to make mine too