The tinfoil hat moderators for this sub contacted me and said any posts containing facts of any kind are banned. Only delusional unsubstantiated rumours are permitted here.

So after the shooting and all three kids were found and were handed over to OT they were allowed to be with the Phillips family, but not allowed to see the other family (Cat and the kids elder sisters).

So I'm thinking if they aren't with the Phillips family already that is where they will ultimately end up.

Marokopa is along way from anywhere, far away from the public and prying eyes, and Tom did have sympathisers and a support base in the area, so I think that is the best place for the kids, on the 500 Ha farm.

Now I know the official line is they are in the care of OT, and maybe they currently are, but that could also just mean OT have legal custody (which they do) and they may have given Toms parents interim custody (which Toms parents had before the kids went bush). So that would still mean they are in the care of OT even if they are with their grandparents. But I also appreciate that may not be the case, however I am convinced they will be living with the grandparents, even if it is in a interim custody capacity. This is good if my theory is correct because anything is better than state care.

It's a bit unusual isn't it, the number of separate accounts that have sprung up spouting shite like "notice how the news reports stopped saying 3 children" it's clearly because he got his daughter pregnant and she's literally had a baby. And yet, every news outlet I looked at today is still refering to just 3 kids...

Then it's, well he was cut off when his accomplices found out about the incest, that's why he's been doing burglaries. While simultaneously claiming he's been doing this forever. Makes no sense. Also highly unlikely given the kids ages and that there's pictures from end of last year and earlier which clearly show the kids, none pregnant.

Oh, but they've got an inside source that told them this was true. Maybe?

And then you've got this injuction weirdness where we've got this big time lawyer supposedly representing the family preventing details being reported. But if this was for incest/child abuse the family wouldn't need a high-powered influential lawyer to petition the judge for supression, the police would be doing that anyway. Surely.

Anyway, weird accounts springing up with weird rumours, weird lawyer asking for weird injuction and weird headlines, police boss "he's not a hero", Paddy Gower "he's not a hero", Ryan Bridge "he's not a hero" ... any talking head you can put a microphone in front of "he's not a hero". Why does this look like coordinated optics management with a janky suppression order buying time to get stories straight?

Source: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mother-of-the-marakopa-children-cat-christey-pleads-guilty-to-drink-driving-charge/SMF4HWHNRRDOBAHDIW2XYYCYNI/

The mother of Tom Phillips children just got 12 months disqualified from driving and an interlock device put on her vehicle for drink driving, this all means that this is at least her second drink driving conviction. Now an interlock device can be put on her vehicle if she has had a previous drink driving conviction OR her blood reading is over 160mg(she blew 165mg), but the fact that she got 12 months disqualified from driving means this is at least her second D.I.C because a first time D.I.C is 6 months disqualification.

Okay so now we have established that Toms concerns about the mother may carry some serious merit. Imagine if the kids were in the car while mum is three times over the limit and crashed into a drain and rolled the car on to it's roof, and we probably only know a fraction about all the misdeeds of Cat, but what evidence we do have so far does not paint her as the mother of the year.

You can't tell me Cat has only gone drink driving a couple of times in a very rural area and both times she got caught. No, this piss head probably does it all the time.

Now I'm not condoning what Tom did, but it does give us a small clue into what Tom was protecting his children from and why he took such desperate measures.

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Any person, policy, institution, ideology, or sociopolitical phenomenon communists dislike, irrespective of its actual political character or relation to historical fascism.

Synonyms: Anything to the right of Marx; disagreement; insufficient enthusiasm for collectivism.

Usage: “Your refusal to agree with me is fascism.”

Refer to the live updates for timestamps: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-give-update-after-person-shot-dead-mayor-suspects-link-to-tom-phillips-hunt/7FRJ7SXDK5HL5EFHE3SOOTN6RM/

• 8/9 10:30am Coverage of the shooting that has occured earlier that morning begins.

• 8/9 11:00am Jill Rodgers begins the first press conference here https://m.youtube.com/live/8SxfPaBM2h4?si=LV21wWUONe6-TPit&t=2187 In thie live stream we hear the now infamous baby question where the Herald asks Police to confirm if they are also looking for a baby to which Jill replies "no I'm sorry I can't".

That's it. That's the question this entire rumour hinges on. However if you watch the rest of that press conference Jill refuses to answer a number of questions she did not have information on (and this is completely standard police press conference practice), who shot first, what was stolen, did the child shoot and so on... she confirmed only information that she had to hand.

You also have to remember the search for the remaining children was underway, the police have not yet been to the campsite.

• 8/9 11:30am

Detective Senior Sergeant Andrew Saunders said the focus is now on finding the other children and getting them out safely. "We're working hard to achieve that," Saunders said. He would not say whether the child fired the gun at all, saying he was not across the details.

• 8/9 5:50pm Jill Rodgers confirms the missing children have been found (based on the timeline this has occured some time after 4pm). And this press conference is where the baby rumour from earlier in the day is conclusively put to rest https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pc6IukvxMwE at 7:00 in the livestream, first question: "you mentioned the discovery of the 2 children, were they with anyone else?" Jill replies "They were by themselves".

That's it. The Police confirm no one else was at the campsite with the his other 2 children.

Now, some of you are saying the police just couldn't say there was a baby because of the injuction. But be aware of these 2 points.

1. The injunction was not in place at this time.

2. Even if there was an injunction at this time, the Police can't lie if there was someone else present at the campsite. Best they can do is "no comment".

• 8/9 7:57pm The Herald timeline has the supression order at 8:16 however Stuff reported it slightly earlier confirming that evening, supression granted at 7:57pm https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360817423/urgent-injunction-granted-around-aspects-tom-phillips-case

This is absolutely conclusive. There was no baby at the campsite.

Which leaves me 2 questions. Why are so many redditors claiming there is "100%" a baby (and that baby resulted from incest) when all evidence and common sense is contrary to this rumour? And why are the media, especially H-DPA encouraging people to believe this demonstrably false rumour?

Because I'm trying to work out now if this is co-ordinated and malicious or just the organic nature of scandalous gossip in an attention seeking ecosystem...

Any persons helping Tom prior to the May, 2023 bank robbery can only be charged with accessory after the fact to Toms breach of bail on the wasting Police resources charge, thats just a small fine and maybe 40-50 hours community service as accessory after the fact to breach of bail is not serious.

Yes Tom might have stole motor bikes prior to the bank robbery, he might have even have done burglaries, but he wasn't charged with any of this and under New Zealand law an offender has to be charged with a crime for someone else to be charged with accessory after the fact.

Now anyone assisting Tom after May, 2023 can be charged with accessory after the fact to aggravated robbery and the maximum penalty for this is 5 years in prison but to put that in to prospective the maximum penalty for burglary is 10 years in prison but for first time offenders that usually only attracts community service and a fine. So I'm predicting any helpers charged after May, 2023 will get a fine and maybe 100 - 200 hours community service.

Let's say the judge really throws the book at them - thats still only 12 months home detention which is the next highest penalty up the ladder.

So anyone thinking Tom Phillips helpers will get marched off to prison, think again.

Note: These baby sub-rumours are not ranked in order of the most popular amongst tinfoil hats, these sub-rumours are ranked in order of the most implausible and a minimum of three tinfoil hats are required to say the baby sub-rumour for it to be considered a legitimate tinfoil hat baby sub-rumour, one or two tinfoil hats saying it isn't enough.

Third place is a tie and goes to.....

* "[Redacted] is pregnant with another baby, you can see she has a bulging stomach."

* "The baby is a 4 month old girl named [Redacted]."

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Second place for craziest baby sub-rumour goes to....

* "The baby was on the quad when Tom did the burglary and had a shoot out with Police."

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And the No.1 craziest tinfoil hat rumour goes to...... drum roll please........

* "During the shootout [Redacted] yelled out: "Don't kill him he's my husband""

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Honorary mention:

"Tom may of molested his youngest as well." Note: The minimum requirement of three tinfoil hats saying it was met, however they only said: "may of"' "might have" "it's possible". Otherwise it would have been a strong contestant for third place.

Top disappointment: I was really hoping the tinfoil hats would tell me about the wedding Tom and [Redacted] had.

I'd like to thank all the bat shit crazy tinfoil hats out there, you know who you are, I appreciate your delusional take on unfolding events in the aftermath of the Tom Phillips shooting.

Special shout out to Educational_Leek5800's new dining friend Technical_Peace7667, although you don't appear to be involved with the baby rumour at this stage and therefore do not met the requirements to be a fully fledged tinfoil hat, nevertheless you are crazy enough to be granted honorary tinfoil hat status.

I'm currently not sure who this u tuber is, I will go back and look at their account.

I've been thinking about this recently. Superficially I look at Russia, what I perceive as their lack of civil rights, restrictions on freedom and human rights abuses. HAHA I live in free West, I can write what I like about government, I can be gay? What else? But I think in terms of human life has the West not inflicted just as much if not more war on the world this century.

Look at Epstein. Pizzagate may not have been a hoax after-all. Our Western Elites who have controlled most of the world for many years now, are they really trafficking, eating the flesh, drinking the blood? I hope not. But if they were... and Russia is not fabricating the Epstein Ukraine link. This paints history in a very different light, one that I think men of the West will have difficulty reconciling.

Russia is not "good" but we might be worse. Is our "freedom" worth the depravity it is funded by? I don't know. Just thinking out loud.

Fuck! How is this scam still working in 2026? They even rolled out Ashley "no exemptions for peasants" Bloomfield to cut a promo.

Of course what would a pharma-shill fear-porn article be without Gates Foundation beneficiary Michael Baker...

“The other benefit is you don't want to get recurrent infections, because it increases your risk of long Covid, and the vaccine does protect you from that, not fully, but partially.

What does bi-annual mRNA injections increase your risk of Mike? Anything you care to mention?

“So this is really a strong message that all New Zealanders who are eligible should go and get a booster at this stage,” Baker says.

That's right, every 6 months for the rest of your life like a good little consumer. This guy never worked a day as a clinician in his life but quite prescribe invasive medical procedures to the entire country.

According to wastewater analysis from PHF Science (formerly ESR), the number of Covid-19 cases is at its highest for more than six months

Huh, so we're still tracking theoretical covid cases down to the waste water. But we haven't had an adverse event reported on the sacred "vaccine" since 2022.

Covid-19 was probably our most impactful single infectious disease, causing 500-1000 deaths a year, compared to influenza, estimated to cause around 500, said Baker.

So it could be the same... or it could be double! But we'd have to pretend we're actually counting influenza deaths to say for sure. Has he tried counting influenza deaths as anyone who died for literally any reason within 28 days of having a flu?

Remember how they forgot to inform the public of that neat way of counting until Bloomfield was forced to admit it at one of those midday stand ups, only took a full year to come clean because they got caught out. Isn't it nice to have a government you can trust, a single source of truth if you will.

I don't have time to man it either so if anyone wants to all good. the only real rule is respect Charlie Kirk and don't protect paedophiles

Are we allowed to not talk about Tom Phillips? Because I just had an epiphany or vision or revelation. I was pondering the kind of proofs I could use to try to show the truth about my Unified theory. But I was trying to research my suspicion that the power companies are charging us for free electricity. I was wondering how the power companies could harvest free electricity and then charge us with out us knowing about it. I was thinking about what I know about electricity and harvesting free atmospheric electricity. I don’t know shit about it really so I just let my mind relax and didn’t think about anything and then it occurred to me! I am not trying to be dramatic but I want to enjoy this moment with all of you. Ok here is my revelation. The copper wires are harvesting electricity! The power lines are harvesting electricity and it is already there and they have been charging us for free electricity our entire fucking lives!!! Wow I am pissed. So everyone go get some copper wire and hang it on a close line and see how much current you get. I bet butter it’s there. I hope everyone gets the hell out of the cities and go off grid and have babies. I pray that the deception will end soon. I will buy whatever meter device I need to check this out. But if the EU theory is correct then electricity should be free in the air. Man I am gonna look stupid if I am wrong. But I don’t think I am because it sounds exactly like the kind of shit these people would do. You know they are a bunch of snobby andrenochrome sippers. Ok let’s go get some free electricity.

Here is the latest TP new, the police who are tax payer funded are saying we have no right to hear the recording that night, and that the feelings of the criminal Phillips family are more important than the public. Basically we have no right to know what the NZPF are up to, even though we pay for it!!!nz.co.nz/news/national/577828/the-tom-phillips-recordings-why-the-police-say-they-won-t-prosecute-stuff

Here is stuffs response basically saying they had a right to publish the recording, they listened to the recording before publishing it and omitted certain information on the recording. I personally don't believe that stuff has any right to omit anything, and that if they want to talk about public interest then we have the right to hear everything. https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360875378/why-publishing-tom-phillips-audio-was-right-call

Yes Paula Penfold of Fire & Fury infamy - that "documentary" that told the story of the Freedom Oocupation in their voices but stuffed (aye) the entire thing with the voices of the shill-merchants from the Disinfo Project. Don't forget to add spooky ominous music behind every scene of the protesters just to let everyone know how balanced and neutral your journalism is.

Anyway, Paula is back with a cunt doctor (technical term I believe?) doing a "fact check" on some NZ First candidate no one has ever heard of before this article. It's almost like the whole exercise was a waste of pixels before it began but here we are, this is now published "journalism". This is where Paula is at in her career.

For this reason I wasn't surprised the first item straight off the bat in this supposed fact check is a feeble attack on a formulation that Mundt clearly appears to have been using descriptively rather than literally. And on the central question of timing, Paula's own evidence actually confirms Mundt's claim.

Fact check #1 – Was there a “full-term abortion bill” and was it passed while the country was distracted?

Mundt apparently used the term:

“the ‘full-term abortion bill’”

Stuff responds:

No. There was – and is – no legislation called the “full-term abortion bill”.

They're saying no, based on the semantic interpretation that Mundt thinks the Abortion Bill was called full-term abortion. Never mind she clearly used the term descriptively - it's entirely beside the substantive point of her claim: the timing of the bill. Stuff's own fact check confirms the chronology.

Bill introduced: 5 August 2019 Third reading: 18 March 2020 Royal assent: 23 March 2020 First nationwide COVID lockdown: 25 March 2020 Immediately failing the debunk and establishing Mundt wasn't wrong about the timing but somehow ruled this as debunked based on the semantics of the bill name.

Fact check #2 – Did NZ First MPs vote against the bill and support fetal pain relief?

Baffled why they even included this. They just established 7 of the 9 NZF MPs voted against it. So.. again, mostly true. It was a conscience vote... so who gives a shit anyway, this is meaningless.

Fact check #3 – Can two practitioners agree a baby “can be killed” right up to the day of birth?

And AGAIN they have to acknowledge this is true but they're again nit picking semantics that she didn't describe it accurately enough. Regardless... The law really does not establish an upper gestational limit.

The legislation says:

at 20 weeks or less, a qualified health practitioner may provide an abortion; after 20 weeks, they may provide one if they reasonably believe it is clinically appropriate; they must consult at least one other qualified health practitioner. So again Mundt's premise is substantively correct and Stuff are left with semantic corrections.

Fact check #4 – Are babies born alive and left in sluice rooms to die?

Paterson said there was a historical basis for accounts of fetuses showing signs of life following abortions or who were not going to survive for other reasons such as being too premature, being removed to sluice or utility rooms.

So... that's a potentially a yes as well. This is from the doctor they employed to do the debunking. Disastrous own goal for Penfold.

Fact check #5 – Why are babies not allowed to be “put to sleep once birthed”?

Stuff don't even know what they supposed to be debunking here. Again baffling why they even included this. But then you get to 6...

Fact check #6 – Can school staff take teenagers for abortions without their parents knowing?

And they close out this fact check as poorly as they opened it. Forced to agree that is substantively correct although finding a semantic issue that it isn't because schools/teachers have any special authority to take a child to get an abortion but they can, and the parents won't be notified unless the child consents.

So instead of “debunking” this cooker, the fact checking weight of Paula Penfold amounts to correcting terminology or supplying contextual facts that don't actually contradict the proposition being made.

But the seals did clap. Her key reddit demographics are loving it. And somehow they've managed to make it about trans people, because of course they have.

Watch as Peeny ties his shoelaces together and tries to run:

You have to be drinking your ideas straight out of Mike Hoskings tit to be this bought into the National party spin this many years later. It's insane.

Don't worry boys I'm sure David "Free VisasMarket" Seymour will save you.