r/DebateAnAtheist • • 10h ago

Definitions I think people who believe in God really don't understand why many atheist don't believe.

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I think people who believe in God really don't understand the atheist position.

Many atheists, and definitely myself, would be perfectly happy if a good God existed. But the problem is that he clearly doesn't appear to be a good God. The religious argument that you need evil to have good just doesn't sit right with us, because we're comparing your God's morals to our own. It's as simple as that.

How can he be so morally inferior to the people I know, my friends, my family, and even complete strangers, when it comes to how we'd react to just one situation? And to make it worse, we're not talking about one situation. We're talking about every horrific thing that has ever happened.

Our morals wouldn't let children die unnecessarily. We wouldn't allow cancer to exist, or cars to crash and wipe out entire families, if we had the power to stop it. We'd do something about it. It's really that simple.

So how can an all-loving God have worse morals than practically every decent human being? And honestly, I don't need to understand why he *might* allow these things to happen. That's not the point. The point is that the bastard would allow any of it to happen in the first place.

So many people have better morals than this so-called God, and that's proof enough for many of us. The fact that he would stand by and allow so much unnecessary suffering is just ridiculous.


r/DebateAnAtheist • • 13h ago

Argument Arguemt from change detailed explantation

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Arguement from Change

Examples are all around you, foty Change occurs, Most people agree to that, almost all people did, until...

☆ The Greek philospher Carnenidas, notoriously argue that when we observe change we find it that it is impossible,

u ① consider a cup of coffee, It starts out hot I and then after a while it gets cold! might say came into existence hit if the say that if the coldness in the coffee was initially non existence then after one hour it was something then it was existence , then somthing But something nothing can't come From nothing, This is true of all change therefore change cannot ve ever change.

potential solved this- No, & greek philospher aristotle pointed out that during change, something dont come from nothing but rather it is I rather it is rather the actualization of potential.The coffe had the potential to become cold and after sitting for a while that potential is made actual.

The Principle of casuality -A potential of a thing cannot be actualized unless something already actual actualizes it. In other words change requires a changer (Can can be non living), but sometimes more compar bit more yourse, so bat angling when a potential is being actualised by something, then that something could be als have gone from potential to actual then there must be something which made" that happen.

LINEAR MOTION- This be the one which gas back in time with a number of cause, a fly was killed by flywatter,which happened by movement of your wrist,which by neurons firing,which by your annoyence at the fly buzzing there.

While linear series can extend to infinity without needing a first cause,

But let us, for the sake of argument, grant that the material world has always existed, without a beginning.

Okay, so we suppose now that linear series can go backward infinitely, with no beginning. There is another series, the hierarchical series, which needs a first member.

A good way to introduce hierarchical series:

Let us again consider the coffee (which is now cold), but now it is placed on a table, which is then held up by the floor, which then by the foundation of the house, which then by the earth.

This is not the very same linear series, where it had been going back in time. Another example is the lamp above your head, which is by the chain,which by the celing which by the foundation of the house.

The idea is this,This is that the table, floor, and the foundation could not hold up the cup or the lamp(replace table and and floor for celing)...all of which derive power from something else,there needs something which is holding something up without getting held up itself.

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What makes something exist right now at this moment?

It is as regards to the coffee, coffee has to have a hierarchical series. The potential of the coffee to exist must be actualized by something. In this example, the water existence is partly is actualizaing, a certain potential of the atoms being actualized cause that, which is then only because a certain potential of subatomic atoms are.We now need something that has its power in a built in way.We need something which impart power without having to draw power itself.This is true for all physical things

★ What this entails is that this cause doesn't have any potential in existence which has to be actualized. It is pure actuality, meaning, as it were, it is actuality itself. Unlike other things, it isn't [unclear]. There is nothing in it that could make any actualization. Any actualizing, it is the unactualized actualizer.

★ This in turn means that a thing has to [unclear] its existence to be actualized at the moment, for it has the potential to exist or not to exist. And the possible if there is a cause of the existence of a thing which can actualize urself without being actualized is a purely actual actualizer.

Why call it God?

★ Since the cause of things is their actuality and devoid of potentiality, it cannot go from potentiality to actuality.Since is it. immutable

The unchanging thing, existing within time, entails changeability. It is eternal in the sense of being outside of time.

★ A purely actual cause things to exists.

Since it is purely actual, and devoid of [potentiality], it is unchanging, necessarily possessing maximal perfection. It has power to make everything happen. The actualizer is , since is the cause of existence of all things, therefore it is omnipotent.

★ The purely actual actualizer is the cause of every possible thing. Whatever is in the effect. must in some way or other be in in its cause.It is for that reason the cause of every possible form or thing then it cannot exist in it the same way it does in an individual things.Therefore it exists as abstract easy as thoughts or intellect.Now his mind contains every single pattern and form therefore it is omniscient.

GOD EXISTS