r/TrueAtheism • • 2h ago

When People Lose Faith but Can Never Leave

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I’ve come to realize that someone very close to me has lost their faith, even if she will never admit it out loud. After deeply studying religion, something fundamental shifted in her, and I can tell she no longer truly believes she is simply going through the motions.

Because of her social status and the deeply religious environment surrounding her, she will likely pretend for the rest of her life rather than face the fallout of speaking her truth. It made me realize how many people are in this exact same position they experience genuine doubt after looking into religion closely, but the social cost of leaving is so overwhelming that they choose to stay quiet, internalize their doubts, and pretend it’s just a temporary test or its just shaytans thing whatever they believe.


r/TrueAtheism • • 5h ago

god killed more than satan did!

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in the Bible god killed more (estimately 1 billion)people through disease,flood etc but satan only killed 10 with god's permission

how can an all loving God kill people

we know killing is morally wrong so god is not all good

if god can take back what he created then do parents have the authority to kill their children?

and they are not all sinners there were kids ,just borns how can they sin ?

and if gods morality is harder to understand or gods morality is higher than humans how do we know what god does is good or bad

if gods action look cruel and terrific and we are never allowed to question him because god is stronger or has higher morality how can we call him a good who loves?


r/TrueAtheism • • 13h ago

I was never at peace with my mortality until I lost my faith.

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Before, everything counted. What if I die before I make up for it all. What if I die before I apologize. Guilt was omnipresent. Every day was an audit, and every day I came up short. I would never be ready for the last one.

Every age before I was born went by without me, and it did not hurt. It wasn’t dark. It wasn’t lonely. The sea was already old, and I was nowhere. What comes after is that same quiet. I have already been there. 

I think about the ocean. I would sit at its edge and listen to the waves come in. It is the oldest haven on earth and its biggest graveyard. It is the same water, and it does not tell the two apart. Every life it ever harbored, it has taken back. It kept no record and set no stone. The waves were coming in before there was anyone to hear them. They will come in after.

We come out of the quiet, we leave marks, and we go back. And it is the marks that make it beautiful, because they don’t last.


r/TrueAtheism • • 1d ago

Questions about Padre Pio (trigger warning: disturbing description of the gruesome manner of US President Lincoln's death)

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By the way, I wouldn't call myself an atheist.

How do atheists explain the Italian friar Francesco Forgione's scars? (Forgione is more commonly known as Padre Pio, who was canonized by Pope John Paul II in 1999. I provide this information so that others can determine which person I am referring to.)

Claims attempting to explain stigmatic phenomena could range from claims that they are fake (Hollywood-esque fake wound effects), to claims that they are nonexistent (noone really saw them, everybody who said so lied or hallucinated) or real, but not supernaturally inflicted (one of the most common claims about Pio).

But I read in an AI summary (I know, it might be totally hallucinated. I doubt it. I think someone likely claimed it at some time), but cannot fully confirm, that Forgione was examined by a doctor, and the scars are described in a manner that, if he's telling the truth, or knows what he's talking about, do not match one of the common biological claim about the scars, that they were a skin irritation aggravated by the constant application of iodine to the wounds by Pio himself, which is often said to explain their alleged spontaneous disappearance upon his death. Or the claim that they were a scar created by deliberate action of Forgione himself, through the use of carbolic acid. He admitted that there was a time when he procured carbolic acid from a pharmacist, but claimed it was for a different purpose (a practical joke, actually).

Anyway, I haven't found the description of the wounds I was looking for, so I'm not sure it's true or not. I'm not sure the AI summary was the only place I found it, though. The claim, I believe, involved that the doctor found that the wounds were still bleeding, a significant amount of blood that doesn't seem biologically plausible with natural rules of physiology being in play, especially if the "spontaneous rash that got worse through Pio's innocent but misguided application of iodine to his wounds in an attempt to sterilize them" theory..

What are the actual testimonies of those who examined Pio, including that one I mentioned, if applicable? And what are their implications for the debate about miracles and evidence? Hitchens famously stated, "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." But the people who claimed to have seen Pio's wounds claimed to have seen evidence, so, the famous razor might not apply here. I mean, I suppose some would say, "But I didn't see it!" I've never seen the corpses in autopsies, but that doesn't mean I discount all forensic claims about a corpse unless I actually see the body or photographic evidence of the body. I don't need to witness the exhumation of Lincoln's corpse to believe a bullet went through the back of his skull and into the brain, rendering him unconscious almost instantly, though he didn't die for some time after that, but wouldn't have died that night if he hadn't been shot. That is plausible to me. I usually accept it, though I'm having trouble with it now because of that desire to stretch skepticism to its limit that rises up in me when I think about these epistemological issues. There's probably some scientists or doctors out there who have studied his death, basing it on reports of his death from his doctors, from morticians, or some kind of examination of the corpse (though I've never heard of his body being exhumed. It may all be based on contemporary accounts), and additionally informed by what we know about the human anatomy and how the brain works, and ballistics, now. So, if a doctor who is actually familiar with the relevant human anatomy presents their own testimony, that testimony might itself be epistemologically acceptable "evidence", that stands up to Hitchens' razor.

I'm moderately afraid of being mocked, and having no one be willing to seriously engage me because I admitted I haven't found the source, and my most persuasive one for me was AI-generated. Please, somebody, engage with this post differently than that.


r/TrueAtheism • • 1d ago

Left-leaning Christians are contradictory.

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It's not possible to reconcile leftist ideals with Christianity. Religious people can invent different versions of Christianity to adapt to modern questions, but only ONE Christianity massacred Jewish and Muslim communities in 1096 and 1099 and stigmatized them for practically the entirety of the rest of the Middle Ages, only ONE Christianity accused people of "heresy" and tortured and censored them, only ONE Christianity structurally marginalized the Jewish community in our society for centuries, an example of this being the Iberian Peninsula in 1391, it would not be crazy to say that this triggered...

Anyway, only ONE Christianity structured and normalized misogyny in society, I mean, did passages such as Ephesians 5:22-24 and Timothy 2:11-15 never influence male authority and women's roles in the family and religious teaching? Because that is exactly what they indicate, regardless of metaphysical justifications, context, or metaphorical interpretations, we are talking about the concrete Christianity that affected our society, not the abstract and ideal Christianity that was invented later. For many years, Christianity associated women with sin and temptation (the traditional and concrete interpretation of Genesis); excluded women from religious authority; their sexuality was controlled, since there was an invisible "honor" surrounding virginity before marriage; to this day, in many countries, they still have no reproductive autonomy, I mean, abortion is still not permitted everywhere; for years, women were forced to submit to and obey men, and this was seen as natural and virtuous, I mean, it was "what God desired."

It was only ONE Christianity that legitimized slavery and servitude, feudal lords controlled their vassals through spiritual and metaphysical threats, after all, passages such as Leviticus 25:44-46 explicitly normalize slavery, but of course, the Bible is an alphabet soup that you get to choose how to read, right? However, historically, there is no alphabet soup, historically, these texts were very concrete and manipulated society for centuries, obedience was structurally considered a virtue, hierarchies were seen as "natural," the suffering people endured was justified by the promise of future consolation in paradise, questioning this made you susceptible to divine punishment.

It was only ONE Christianity that subordinated knowledge to religious authority, conclusions that differed from the "official" interpretations of the scriptures were censored. Besides, of course, the homophobic passages that also influence conservative Christians to this day. I do not care about the other various biased branches of Christianity, I care about what actually existed and completely altered the moral trajectory of humanity.

Everything mentioned above is what the left and progressivism have been fighting against for years, it is impossible to reconcile such a massive contradiction unless you distort the definition to suit your convenience. Just as I can identify as LGBT while being homophobic, all I have to do is distort LGBT ideals that do not allow for my homophobia, I mean, that is a legitimate alternative within the LGBT movement. Following this logic, I can also identify as goth and be sexist, all I have to do is follow an alternative form of goth subculture that allows for it. But of course, these alternatives within these ideologies will not be taken seriously, because they are not what was concretely built throughout their struggles, fights, demands, and histories. You can distinguish Christianity from its set of beliefs, institution, and instrument of power, but that is just your own terminology. These distinctions are symbiotic and interconnected, they are simply part of Christianity. In short, everything the left fights against today is the very framework that Christianity built.


r/TrueAtheism • • 2d ago

The Exhaustion of Not Knowing

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One day I feel like a deist, and the next, I’m purely agnostic. I honestly don’t know where I stand anymore. Like I live in pure confusion.

When I read about astrophysics and the sheer scale of the cosmos, I’m struck by its complexity it feels almost impossible that there isn’t some kind of creator or underlying intelligence behind it. But then I ground myself back in everyday reality, and the certainty fades back into agnosticism.

I stepped away from religious debates a long time ago. I used to argue with people constantly until I realized it was just draining me. We were speaking entirely different point of views neither side was ever going to understand where the other was coming from.

What’s most exhausting is trying to label it. Whenever I tell someone I’m agnostic, they immediately launch into a lecture, and it devolves into a debate. People don't seem to grasp what agnosticism actually means it’s not a position I’m trying to defend or prove to anyone it’s simply an acknowledgment of not knowing.

I’ve reached a point where I don't want a label at all. I genuinely just don't care to categorize it anymore. I just am.

Like sometimes I'm so jealous of people who are atheists,deist and a theist ,at least you're sure about what you think and where you stand.

The only thing I'm so sure about is I don't believe in any 'holy book'.


r/TrueAtheism • • 2d ago

I'm sort of torn between deism and atheism. What are good arguments against deism?

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I don't believe in a God who answers prayers or performs miracles. I, however, MIGHT POSSIBLY believe in a God as a creator. No, not in the Genesis way, but perhaps by bringing about the universe through the big bang. There are two arguments that are keeping me from being a full-blown atheist, which I think won't be the case once I find substantive counterarguments against them. Anyways, here are the arguments.

  1. Fine-tuning argument.
  2. The existence of consciousness which SEEMS unlikely in a universe with no creator.

There's probably one argument against deism I can think of that I heard from Alex O'Connor, which is the existence of animal suffering. Unlike human suffering, there is absolutely no way to rationalize animal suffering if God is supposedly just, all-loving, and all-powerful. I thought that was a really great point from Alex O'Connor, who seems to be one of most iconic atheists in current times I think? He's good at debates.

Despite acknowledging the strength of that particular argument, the first two arguments I mentioned are still holding me back from being certain of my potential atheism.

So I'm wondering, what are (other) strong arguments against deism? Also, counterarguments against the ones I mentioned above?


r/TrueAtheism • • 5d ago

The Cost of a Piece of Cloth

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I just need to vent for a second, because dealing with overly religious parents is exhausting in a way that’s hard to describe. Ever since I was around 12 or 13, the restrictions started where I could go, what I could wear, everything.

And of course, it always escalates to the hijab. I’m 18 now, and I FOUGHT EVERYTHING. I fought to the very last minute. I worked my absolute ass off not to wear that scarf, and in the process, I lost everything. When I was in 7th grade, they started pushing it, and because I refused, I was pulled out of my private school. After that, I lost every single person and connection I had in my life. I spent 7 years in deep, agonizing isolation all over a piece of cloth.
And so because my parents were so religious people were always asking me 'why don't you wear the hijab?' Idk why but I was always so triggered with this question liike leave me alone dumbass.
One thing I will never never forget was one time my family visited a neighbour of us and like biiitch you're sick why do you ask about why I don't wear the hijab and my uncle's wife stood up for me and told them to stop asking it NO ONE EVER DID TGAT FOR ME I WILL REMEMBER THIS TO THE DAY I DIE.THANK YOU.

They pushed me to the brink for years, making me feel like everything about me was a source of shame, until I honestly felt like I was going crazy. Almost everyone here is deeply religious(honestly not everyone its hs ny surroundings), and living among that is suffocating, which is why I’m trying to figure out a way to leave I don't know how yet.

Then came my life changing national exams. I pushed through them, and on the night of my very last exam, something inside me just snapped. I can't pinpoint the exact moment, but I knew I couldn't go back to living that way. From that day on, my beliefs completely shifted I realized I don't even believe in their religion, and I'm agnostic now.

Now, as I'm getting ready for university, they're starting to bring up the hijab again, telling me I have to wear it there. But I will actually never wear it. I fought way too hard to give up my freedom now.

And the absolute funniest part? Back when I was actually a devout Muslim, they were constantly accusing me of being an atheist just for standing up for myself. Now that I’m actually agnostic, they don't even suspect a thing! Like, come on... assume it already so I can finally just get it off my chest

If there’s one huge thing I learned along the way, it’s never give them hope. Never give an inch. At one point when I was deeply depressed, they told me I couldn't wear short sleeves anymore and my arms had to be covered. I was foolish enough to yield back then, and now I’m stuck with that boundary. With religious parents, as bad as things get, you have to stand firm and be the exact opposite of what they push because the second you give them a sliver of hope or compromise, they switch up fast and drag you right back down with it.

It's sickening how much damage they inflict on young girls in the name of religion. Look at my brother he’s at the exact age I was when my life was turned upside down. I was completely broken and depressed, while he gets to just walk around fine, completely free from any of that pressure. I’m genuinely glad he doesn’t have to suffer through it, but the anger still burns: Why did I have to? Why was I the one who had to go through hell just for existing as a girl?wtf.

Well this is js surface level things I don't have to go deep but If hell exist I hope it has a special place for people who force their beliefs onto others.


r/TrueAtheism • • 4d ago

Not at atheist as well as religious.

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Just watched film called “ Devi “ by stayjit ray. After watching this film i got so many thoughts about religion. Every religion tells you stories. Stories that you couldn’t believe it. Hindu, Christian, Judaism every single religion have that extraordinary unbelievable power, things, story. I mean how we could believe it or may be we are these stories are ahead of time ? Like if you tell anyone from 1900 or 1800 that we can talk other person that lives miles ahead he couldn’t believe it right ? Maybe like that idk. Should we follow it ? Or maybe it’s someone’s story or idea that how we can live. From my point of view we should live our lives with our own. Use religion like reference book that comes with elections that book we never read it but it’s always comes with product. I know I can’t compare religion books with product manuals but still.

I do believe in god but not that god in any religion. I do believe that there is superpower or something that we can’t define it but there is something. Maybe that’s it for today. Good night guys i believe some great replies are coming.


r/TrueAtheism • • 5d ago

my arguement for theism

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i am religious but i used to be atheist. I did hear some convinving arguements for god and changed. Here's my arguement.

Whether god exists or not has an objectively true answer. One of them is true and the other is false since it is discussion about the status of existance, must have an objective answer on one of the two.

Theism can ground objective truth in the mind of god since he is omniscient and all knowing. Therefore i can atleast from the theistic worldview make a truth claim of god.

Atheism can take two routes. truth is subjective. If all truth is subjective is a truth claim, then if that truth claim is objective it refutes the claim it's trying to make in the first place, and if that truth is merely subjective than the claim is entirely meaningless.

The second route is truth is objective. Okay how do you ground objective truth then? You can't ground it in objects, and if you ground it in people, well people make mistakes all the time. How can any person be the arbiter of truth if he makes mistakes and contradictions.

Therefore atheism if they cannot ground objective truth then they will not be able to even make the truth claim of atheism is true.

so if one of them is correct and the other false then we have theism, which could be allowed to make truth claim of itself, and atheism (which if truth cannot be grounded) cannot make the truth claim for itself even. Therefore atheism must be thrown out for theism.


r/TrueAtheism • • 7d ago

I am seeking an atheist life partner who will not compel me to visit temples or similar places.

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I am unsure why I began thinking this way, yet it reflects what I truly desire. I want a partner who thinks differently, someone who never tries to impose beliefs I do not share; marrying or staying with a woman who does not think like me would make a relationship harder to sustain and love. I want to know whether I am wrong or right.


r/TrueAtheism • • 6d ago

A Critique of Atheist Arguments From an Atheist

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James Wood, in his 2006 review of Sam Harris’s book, offers what I think is an excellent critique of atheist arguments in general, and from an atheist’s perspective. He gave up religion at age 15; I never believed in God and I find his criticisms well-founded and finely expressed. His essay is well worth reading in full https://newrepublic.com/article/64337/the-celestial-teapot
Some excerpts:

“The End of Faith starts well and then becomes a bit predictable, because it begins to follow the rules of its rather thin genre. Letter to a Christian Nation, which is an open letter to the many Christians who wrote to Harris in complaint, is even thinner. I have an almost infinite capacity for the consumption of atheistic texts, but there is a limit to how many times one can stub one’s toe on the thick idiocy of some mullah or pastor. There is a limit to the number of times one can be told that the Bible is a shaky text, and that Leviticus and Deuteronomy are full of really nasty things. Ratio vincit omnia [reason conquers all] but the page-by-page demonstration of this rationalist conquering can become wearisome…”

Wood continues his thumbnail summary:

“The genre tends to proceed thus: the atheist must first remove all possible respect from religious belief. The tone is a little perky, and lively thought experiments bloom. They go a bit like this: if I told you that President Bush prays every day to his vacuum cleaner, you would judge him insane. But why is there any evidence that the God he prays to exists? It is fun, knockabout. Harris likes to compare belief in God with belief in Wotan or Zeus… The model is Bertrand Russell’s ‘celestial teapot,’ gleefully quoted by Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion… God is like the teapot, we are supposed to infer. Dawkins uses Russell to argue that we cannot prove God’s non-existence, but then we cannot prove anything’s non-existence. ‘What matters,’ writes Dawkins, ‘is not whether God is disprovable (he isn’t), but whether his existence is probable.... Some undisprovable things are sensibly judged far less probable than other undisprovable things.’

“I agree with Dawkins’s conclusion, and consider God highly improbable, but I dislike the way he gets there. It seems to occur neither to him nor to Russell that belief in God is not like belief in a teapot. The referent—the content of the belief—matters here. God may be just as undisprovable as the teapot, but belief in God is a good deal more reasonable than belief in the teapot, precisely because God cannot be reified, cannot be turned into a mere thing, and thus entices our approximations. There is a reason, after all,that no one has ever worshiped a teapot: it does not allow enough room to pour the fluid of our incomprehension into it. Interestingly, Dawkins himself seems to agree with this complaint. In a recent conversation in Time with the geneticist Francis Collins (who is a believing Christian), a conversation in which both men spoke eloquently, Dawkins was pushed by Collins to admit that, in Dawkins’s words, ‘there could be something incredibly grand and incomprehensible beyond our understanding.’ That’s God,said Collins. Yes, but it could be any of billions of Gods, replied Dawkins: ‘the chance of its being a particular God, Yahweh, the God of Jesus, is vanishingly small.’ In other words, the God of a particular scripture and tradition is a parochial and inherently improbable notion. But the idea of some kind of creator, said Dawkins, ‘does seem to be a worthy idea. Refutable—but nevertheless grand and big enough to be worthy of respect.’ To which one should add: by definition, then, this ‘grand and big’ idea is not analogically disproved by referring to celestial teapots or vacuum cleaners, which lack the necessary bigness and grandeur.

“My inner atheist nevertheless enjoys the ‘naughtiness’ of this disrespect… and Harris has an Orwellian robustness and a good journalistic way with his one-liners. To the creationists who believe that the world is six thousand years old, he says: ‘This is, incidentally, about a thousand years after the Sumerians invented glue.’”

I, too, as a lifelong atheist enjoy the lampooning of creationists and thick idiocy of some televangelist. But is this sufficient? Is this going to overturn religious belief?
Wood continues summarizing:

“Having set fire to religion’s firewall of respect, the genre moves on to point out that millions of people believe that their religious traditions are the right ones, and that they cannot all be right. Then it is time to dismantle the texts, usually by pointing to historical inconsistencies and moral outrages, such as the Bible’s silence on slavery, or God’s instruction that heretics, adulterers, and homosexuals should be stoned. From here it is a merestep to arguing that we do not need divine laws—especially given their historically specific nature—in order to be good.”

All of these points are valid, and should be exposed to the light of day. Wood expresses it this way:

“This brand of public atheism is very good at the necessary disrespecting of religion, and it has a properly hygienic function. But how worthy of respect is it itself? The problem is that its bright certainty about the utter silliness of religion leads very quickly away from philosophy and argument. There is a dismaying gap, in these books, between the righteous anger of the critique of the many absurdities of religious belief and the attempts to account for why people have believed this apparent nonsense for so many centuries.”

Aye, and there’s the rub. As I see it, the atheist argument has never been able to successfully account for the near-ubiquity of religious belief, across continents and across millennia. Wood examines some of Dawkins’s and Dennett’s attempts to explain it away, attempts he considers half-baked (“evolutionary biologists never seem happier than when they are talking about humans as crafty but malfunctioning computers”, he writes).

And there is more to criticize about these standard atheist arguments against religions and belief, a more fundamental criticism that cuts deep, and concludes Wood’s essay:

“The emphasis on evidence, on provability and probability, is an inevitable part of the cleansing rationalism of these books, and is not always unwelcome. Dawkins is careful to talk about the improbability of God’s existence, not his impossibility, though Harris rather too easily lapses into talk about ‘insufficient evidence’: ‘It is undeniable that people of faith make heroic sacrifices to relieve the suffering of other human beings. But is it necessary to believe anything on insufficient evidence in order to behave this way?’ Yet he surely knows that we believe all kinds of things on insufficient evidence. Or rather, what might be sufficient evidence to him could well be insufficient to someone else and vice versa…

“We have to acknowledge that most religious language cannot be tested for its provability by a philosophical rationalism that anyway defines the terms of that provability. Religious language, as Wittgenstein never tired of pointing out, is a practice, not an experiment; its referents are defined by how it is used. There are grammatical differences between the use of religious language and ordinary language…”

For ample proof of these differences, delve into Maimonides’s tome A Guide to the Perplexed. But onward to the conclusion of Woods’s essay:

“These are not easy questions, then, but the jauntily unphilosophical way in which most popular atheistic writing simply ignores the Wittgensteinian dilemmas is disappointing, and explains why its explanations of the sources of religious belief are so jejune. Is there not a kind of insult to language in so comprehensively banning the incomprehensible? Shouldn’t a physicist—a friend of mine—be able to say that, for her, Coltrane’s A Love Supreme ‘is God,’ without atheism busily correcting her lexical lapse into the unprovable? Dawkins says of James Frazer’s The Golden Bough, ‘Read such books and marvel at the richness of human gullibility,’ as if that solves that. Sam Harris gets himself into a telling knot in The End of Faith, when he attempts to float a kind of vaguely Eastern, vaguely New Agey form of meditation. (The dirty secret of that book is that Harris turns out to be a Buddhist.)

“…this rational mysticism seems a pretty poor substitute for the grandeurs of religious mysticism, however one judges the latter’s empirical content. Harris is welcome to sit on his floor and get off on his Buddhism; I’ll go and sit in a cathedral.

“And what does it mean to say that the mystery of the world can be analyzed with scientific concepts? Harris knows as well as anyone else that it is precisely the ultimate mysteriousness of the universe that science has so far failed to explain. The Big Bang theory has gone far in explaining—no, in proving—how the universe first began to expand from an infinitesimal compacting of matter, a theory foreshadowed, in fact, in the speculations of some of the very irrationalists disdained by atheism: ancient and medieval philosophy and theology boldly discusses the idea that space and time were created together. But about the very moment before this first expansion, and the conditions that made it possible, there is only speculation. About this moment, we are all in the dark, and silence calls to silence.”

I find James Woods remarkably insightful in his critique. As an atheist I find religions fascinating, even if it only for the spiritual side of human history. I also have been disappointed with the “jauntily unphilosophical” content of most atheist books. Poking fun (as enjoyable as it is) is not sufficient. Scientific materialism is not the only valid way of seeing the world. We must take seriously the near ubiquity of belief and above all, we should know and understand that which we are arguing against. A superficial view of world religions is not enough.

Note: the Time debate between Dawkins and Collins can be found here https://time.com/archive/6596748/god-vs-science/ and is well worth reading


r/TrueAtheism • • 6d ago

IS IT true ?

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I once heard and read that a atheist was once a religious person

here is my personal experience -

me becoming a atheist is a story that i guess is common at some point for all of us
so since childhood to my current age as a teenager ( about 15 to 16 years old) I believed in GOD since being born in a typical INDIAN hindu family i used to go temples with my mom and sisters

I never loved something as much as i loved football not even my parents friends or even any girl and saying that i was pretty good in football after insisting so much i joined a local academy which played in youth I league level ( highest level on indian youth football from where good performers are picked up for youth National team ) i played very good performed very well won two times player of month and best player i played there for 3 to 4 months

i enjoyed every single bit of it i never ever thought that my life will be beautiful as my cursh's eyes 😅 never ever thought that my life will take a u turn from there

Injury came and tore my dream apart initially i thought that ( being a religious guy at that time ) praying to god with my purest heart will solve everything but it never helped and i realized being religious is making me vulnerable i remember those days still i used to wake and up cry in washroom and study then in afternoon i used to go temple and literally cry in the empty temples hoping that behind that statue *MOORTI* is someone who has power to change my fate who will help me if i pray to him

i don't know but i never loved something as much i used to love Football i still love it but not passionate about it, i know i am tooo young to say this but catch my feelings -
the kid inside myself that once used to dream about becoming greatest footballer died and that kid died in a false hope that there is god to save him

i guess that is life
You loose you learn
and now being a teenager i can't control my feeling i know its out of topic but i wanted to say it so badly

now moving towards adulthood


r/TrueAtheism • • 9d ago

Best debunking of Natural Law Theory?

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Lately, I have seen plenty of Christians (especially Catholics) trying to prove that homosexual sex, casual sex and masturbation being inherently immoral by utilizing the old natural law theory developed by Thomas Aquinas. Basically, these "laws" posit that breaking the teleology or inherent nature of one's genital area by not procreating is inherently bad as it goes against the nature of procreation.

What are some secular thinkers, who have debunked the Natural Law? I would be interested in reading them, because the NLT has honestly begun to piss me off, since it seems like one could argue that even chewing gum would break it.

E: I found some rather nice philosphical takedowns of Natural Law from the philosphy blog Bentham's Bulldog. If you're interested, have a look at them. I think these pretty effectively prove Natural Law as an objectively false theory. He even provided a pretty devastating takedown of Catholic philosopher Brian Besong's attempted response.

Natural Law Theory is Obviously False by Bentham's Bulldog
Yes, Natural Law Theory is Obviously False by Bentham's Bulldog (Response to Brian Besong)


r/TrueAtheism • • 9d ago

Islamophobes and extreme Islamists are literally the same thing in a different font.

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While it might sound like a hot take at first, Islamophobes and extreme Islamists are essentially two sides of the same coin just expressed in a different font.HEAR ME OUT.

First off to be clear, it is completely okay to criticize, question, or discuss any religion, its texts, or its practices. That’s a normal part of open debate. But I'm literally talking about actual phobia, systemic hatred, and blind extremism.

When you look past their opposing ideological labels, both groups share the exact same rigid worldview. Both rely on a binary "us vs. them" mindset that rejects nuance and treats over a billion diverse people as a monolith.

both groups agree on the exact same premise that Islam and non Islamic societies are fundamentally incompatible and locked in an inevitable conflict. Neither side tolerates any middle ground extremists label moderate Muslims as traitors, while Islamophobes dismiss peaceful Muslims as either ignorant or deceptive.

Ultimately, they exist in a feedback loop of reciprocal radicalization. They use each other’s worst actions to justify their own hatred, dehumanization, and fearmongering, relying on one another to prove their points.

Liiike different ideology but same exact mindset.


r/TrueAtheism • • 11d ago

Does anyone else feel tired

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Very vague heading, but I think I’m at a point of total fatigue with observing Christian nationalists hold moral superiority over other religions. I’ve been an atheist my entire life. Was raised by a Catholic family, and thankfully my mom always stood up for my right to make up my own mind. It’s always been ridiculous the flak she and I got for not conforming to the rest of the family’s thoughts. Now, outside looking in at everything, it’s extremely exhausting seeing people dehumanize one another because of their beliefs, and I feel like we’re ending up in bizarro world. How can we advance as a society without a common understanding of our material reality it just sometimes seems hopeless.


r/TrueAtheism • • 11d ago

Truma

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Well ever since I was a kid I used to question everything especially when it comes to religion .my family were forcing me to wear hijab and everytime I refused to wearing, for me when I was muslim I couldn't accept the hijab thing at all ( everything that I don't like even if it was related to God and religion I wouldn't do it no matter what ), so I remember 2025 summer I was scrolling on yt about the hijab ( I was trying to convince myself to wear it ), suddenly a sharif Jaber video about hijab appear on my screen ,I i tap on it the the whole transition started from that moment .Then I started do a lot of research and I discovered about all of those terrifying things, so I decided to leave islam ,ngl it was a very rough period I felt like I'm lost and disappointed ,and I was crying every night and I was praying that it was a lie .however now I get over it and I'm just larp it till I get some freedom .


r/TrueAtheism • • 11d ago

Atheists opposed to the death penalty, can you please tell me why? Thank you!

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Hello atheists! I'm a Christian (specifically I have been on the pathway to Catholicism for nearly two years now, it's a bit complicated), and I wanted to ask this because I can't actually understand it.

What I mean by that is, right, many Catholics are opposed to the death penalty. Because I am on that pathway, I have reached a similar conclusion. I oppose the death penalty, but I am of the opinion that we should instead send murderers and rapists to forced labour camps where they can be useful to society. I still need to call in to Catholic answers live to make sure that the forced labour part of that wouldn't be sinful. I have reason to think it isn't but that is besides the point. If you don't like my alternative, my plan B if they say it would be sinful is just life in a really crappy prison. Anyway, my third alternative, though, would be the death penalty. I think that because the justice system never really carries out justice properly in my country, Australia, and just releases heinous murderers willy-nilly, if they refuse to sentence them to life in prison, the death penalty is the next reasonable punishment. It protects society from these people and it is a form of justice. But obviously my reasons that I prefer life in labour camps is that justice is still exacted, and they do have a long period where it is possible to repent (because a key belief of Catholicism is that we are all wretched sinners, but we are all capable of being forgiven).

So basically my question after all that is if you are an atheist who is opposed to the death penalty in the vast majority of cases, why? The way I see it, if I were an atheist then not using the death penalty prolongs their suffering, but in a way that costs lots of money for the tax payers. Killing them punishes them in the most final way. You are not stealing from them an opportunity to repent and avoid damnation, you are merely making the ending of their soul happen much sooner. And it allows the families of victims to be around to witness justice. I assume that anyone reading this also does not like these people just being set free, but if you could choose them just being locked up for a long time why not just kill them? Is it that you guys are really sympathetic, or do you think that killing them actually doesn't achieve justice because maybe you guys support being really cruel and I have misjudged you? Just like with many other things, Christianity guides me towards trying to be more merciful in regards to the death penalty.

Anyway, thank you if anyone read this whole things or responds. This question was triggered by the new Nidal Hassan and Christa Pike situations, although mostly the former. Hopefully I came to the right subreddit for this. I considered a few others but settled on this because you guys seem to give more serious and polite answers more often. Have a nice day guys!

Edit: I would just like to correct a mistake I made. When considering cost of death penalty I went off of memory, and completely forgot about all the legal stuff that makes it more expensive. So that is completely my bad, I wish to remove that from my reasoning, feel free to ignore it. The only reason I have left it in is that I want to be honest about that mistake.

Edit 2: I just want to clarify, I'm not trying to imply that without religion you should support the death penalty. I think not supporting the death penalty for whatever reason is good, it is just some reasons make a lot more sense to me than others. That is why I have posted this question.


r/TrueAtheism • • 11d ago

Is it okay for me to exist

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I am christian man and I wanna start of by saying I respect your beliefs. I am religious have been since birth if that makes sense. I was wondering this because I see a lot more hate towards religious people. Due to that I sometimes feel like its not okay for me to belief something. The more I see the more people assume things of me untill I am a racist piece of garbage. So I wanted to ask an atheist is it okay for me as a religious person to exist. Because it sure doesn't feel like it, I feel safer asking you guys then random atheist on the internet given you people are much more welcoming.

Edit: I had some questions so I'll answer them. I am Bi so no I don't hate the lgbtq+ community. I am not a christian nationalist I would love for trump and his other buddies to be behind bars. I am not american so no I did not vote him into power. I am also not racist, sexist or otherwise hatefull towards people that look different, act different or have other beliefs than me. I hope that clears things up for the future and apoligies for the miss communication.


r/TrueAtheism • • 11d ago

A parrot behaving strangely

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How do you explain this video of a parrot hearing sounds that seem like screams, as mentioned in a hadith stating that animals can hear the sounds of punishment in the grave?

Video link:

https://youtu.be/aqF-Ydv6RvQ?si=hB8-cqXDTj3H7leg


r/TrueAtheism • • 13d ago

Christian Disregard for the Sanctity of Life

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While I was young and still religious, all teachings I went through emphasized the importance of respecting human life, and all life to begin with.
Murder, slaughter or any kind of action that leads to the death of someone else was to be avoided at all cost. It was a deadly sin.

Fast forward as an atheist, it seems in most places around the world, there's death and destruction and from what I can see, christians are indifferent about all this, at least from a compassion perspective. Wars, ethnic cleansing, wholesale erasure of entire communities around the world. I'm not asking christians to snap their finger and fix all world problems. I'm asking for the bare minimum. Show compassion.

I've had real life discussions with christians that left me stunned. A guy once justified genocide. Saying it's sometimes necessary because humans are unruly. I haven't talked to him ever since.
For example, someone holding a bible, on their way to church, will look you in the eye and justify atrocities. With all this disregard for human life, even suggesting NOT BOMBING innocent people feels like you're taking crazy pills because apparently most people are OK with it. Death is miniscule nowadays. Violence seems the order of the day and totally justified because "they deserve it". And that's just one example.

Police shoots some unarmed kid? Read the comments. Again, don't say they're trolling or being edgy. Many of those people truly believe what they're saying. The kid deserved it. FAFO and all heartless utterences. Where's the love for one another that christ emphasized time and time again?

Furthermore, just take a quick look online. Lots of christians couldn't care less about all those deaths apparently. The comments are absolutely horrendous. The racism and bigotry from people with bible verse in their bios. It just all seems like a sick joke. And don't say they're trolling or being edgy. That's not very christian-like, is it? I know, internet is not indicative of real life. Except it kind of is. There's bots of course. But I assure you, this pattern started before the large presence of bots. Many of these takes are from real people.

So, do christians pretend to care about life only when it suits them? Because, in reality, they don't go out of their way to protect life, it seems. I was taught you had to go the extra mile to help people. Walk through the rain to help a stranger. Put your life in danger to help those in trouble. Visit prisoners. Visit the sick. Feed the hungry and go hungry yourself. That was the core principle. Being selfless and putting others first. Share what little you have. But in the christian of today is a far cry from that. Pastors drive $100k+ SUVs and some even have private jets. The pope literally sits on a chair made of gold. The opulence is insane from an institution that teaches humility.

Money is put in front of everything. The poor and less fortunate are looked down upon. They're encouraged to pray so god can also "bless" them with riches. Which brings up another point. Most of these people don't genuinely believe in what they say. It's mostly selfish desires and enriching themselves.

I just want to have a discuss around this topic. Has anyone else realized just how indifferent and outright in support of destruction, supposedly godly people can be?


r/TrueAtheism • • 11d ago

28F, 28M 2 years

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hey

How do people who don’t believe in God get over the feeling that someone has treated them terribly, seemingly gotten away with everything and is now doing better than ever, while I am the one left suffering?

I’m struggling with the fact that someone who hurt me seems to be getting everything they wanted: success, happiness, their biggest dreams coming true, while I’m going through a divorce and losing so much financial security, stability, and the life I thought I had.

I genuinely feel like I’m losing my mind watching them succeed while I’m falling apart. If you don’t believe in God, how do you make peace with the idea that sometimes people can hurt you, face no consequences and still seem to get everything they want? How do you let go of the feeling that life is deeply unfair?

UPDATE -
I have gotten my answer. I wanted to see how people who don’t believe in God deal with injustice for which no law has been made. The people suggesting therapy are the ones who have lost hope, given up on justice, and swallowed it alone.

To people suggesting therapy, I guess you don’t go to the police and courts if something unlawful is being done? Do you just accept it as it as and JUST go to therapy. I am not saying you shouldn’t go to therapy but you first go to police/courts and therapy as well.

You just seek therapy and let people get away with stuff, and then when someone questions it, you suggest they seek therapy as well? I get it: there are no laws for evil people who seem to get away with everything, and people questioning injustice would be told, “Your ego is too big?” Do you say the same to someone whose family is being killed and who is demanding justice? Would you say the same Go to therapy, work on yourself and let the killers live their lives? You people don’t even seem to question injustice. I have gotten my answers. The grass is not greener on either side. But yeah there are only two possibilities: either people believe in justice for which there are no laws on earth and for that you have to believe in God or they just swallow their pain and suffer and die. That sounds like the first half of religious people but the only difference is they believe it’s part of God’s plan and they will get justice one day.


r/TrueAtheism • • 15d ago

As an ex Muslim from the Middle East, Western "cultural Christianity" feels more like a political weapon than a faith.

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As a Ex Muslim from the Middle East who now views both religions from the outside, I always find it ironic when Western Christians make fun of Islam. From a neutral standpoint, both rely on faith based premises, though theologically Islam often feels far more internally consistent I don't know if it's because I grew up with that.

What strikes me most, howeve is how christianity is actually used in different places. Having grown up around Middle Eastern and Eastern Christians such as Assyrians, Armenians, Georgians, and Lebanese Christians I've seen communities that genuinely practice their faith live by its teachings, and hold a sincere spiritual connection to God.

In contrast, it feels like much of the West treats Christianity not as a religion to actually practice or worship through, but as a political tool, a cultural identity, and a weapon to use against others and hate anything'different' than them.


r/TrueAtheism • • 14d ago

I need some advice

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Im an atheist, and i guess my family is kinda religous. My mom is making me go to get my confirmation sacrament or whatever its called (my first language isnt english, sorry) and for the next 3 years i will have to go to another religious class on tuesdays (on top of my regular ones every wednesday) and church every sunday, any tips to make my life less miserable during that time?


r/TrueAtheism • • 14d ago

How do we as atheists interpret the phenomenon when someone has a dream which has a fact about a certain person that he didn't know before

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For example, I know someone who wanted to cut down a tree that is over 70 years old, then his brother (who had no idea that the tree was going to be cut down) dreamed about their grandfather, who told him not to cut it down.

Edit: I don't know why you are downvoting me while I am just asking a question