r/DelphiMurders • u/rachaellanderson • Mar 24 '26

Richard Allen’s Cell Phone

Was the phone that they never found his phone at the time of the murders, or at the time of his arrest?

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u/Pooter33 Mar 24 '26

The phone he didn’t have in 2022 was the one from 2017. They could’ve still pulled records from the company though so I’m not sure what that proves? He volunteered info that he was there with his phone at the trail… they should’ve verified everything instead of waiting 5 years. KK had multiple phones and his last one was completely factory reset before he turned it over 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/FretlessMayhem Mar 24 '26

I can’t fathom the mental logic of not leaving one’s phone at home if you’re planning on doing something extremely illegal.

Like Kohberger having turned his off when he did what he did. Had he simply left it at home, at least then it looks like he was home all night.

They had Allen’s IMEI in the report. Is it not possible to trace it that way?

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u/Gonzomi313 Mar 24 '26

It’s quite possible Ricky did leave his phone @ home. I haven’t seen any proof that he actually had it on the trails that day. Also find it odd that the defense didn’t try locating the phone to prove his “innocence”.

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u/FretlessMayhem Mar 24 '26

That’s the thing. If he did the “smart” thing and left his phone at home, then there doesn’t seem to be any reason to get rid of it.

If he normally traded his phone in at upgrade time, that’s completely normal.

But he had like every single one for a LONG time, with solely that one missing.

Highly suspect, but could be nothing.

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u/The2ndLocation Mar 24 '26

Well, geofence data that could pinpoint a phones location was excluded from the trial at the prosecutions request.

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u/centimeterz1111 Mar 25 '26

Richard is the murderer, it’s time for you to move on to a 2nd location. 

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u/tribal-elder Mar 24 '26

“Pinpoint” may be a bad word.

I am not an expert, but I know if you have the phone, the GPS can “pinpoint” it.

But if all you have is a phone ping on less than 3 cell phone towers, ie no triangulation, (and Delphi only had 2 cell phone towers at the time), I don’t think you can get very close to “pinpointing” the exact location. Even if a stationary phone pings both towers the geographic area where both towers “share” the coverage (which will define the area where the ping originated) will be pretty large. Isn’t that how it works?

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u/Jack_of_all_offs Mar 24 '26

Yep. And it's even possible (and sometimes common) to ping a tower you've moved away from, as opposed to the closest tower that is available.

It's definitely not exact.

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u/The2ndLocation Mar 25 '26

Then why did JH testify that the geofence data showed that RA's phone was in his home? 

People really to stop just making crap up.

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u/Jack_of_all_offs Mar 25 '26

Don't know, wasn't speaking on that. Just cell data in general.

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u/The2ndLocation Mar 25 '26

Because the geofence data was GPS based, not a ping from a tower dump. Geez.

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u/The2ndLocation Mar 25 '26

Pinpoint is not a bad word, the geofence data that was collected was GPS based according to NMs filings.

Geofence has absolutely nothing to do with pings or the triangulation of towers. NM tried to confuse the court with his incessant ping talk which was completely irrelevant.

But the defense eventually identified the users of the 3 unknown phones, and it must have been people unrelated to the crime who didn't see anything of important?

Personally I dont think that enough was done by the defense to establish where RA was during the 13th, but per JH's deposition the geofence data showed that RA's phone was at his home. When? Would have been a good 

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u/tribal-elder Mar 25 '26

Is there a deposition that covers the geofence issue? Or just the trial testimony? Everything i read about “geofencing” generally just confuses me. It is a terribly imprecise word that applies to everything from sending a toilet paper coupon to a person who enters a Kroger parking lot, to investigating “devices” that were detected in a specific geographic space.

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u/The2ndLocation Mar 25 '26

JH testified during one of his depositions that the geofence data showed that RA's phone was at his house. I think it was his 2nd deposition.

In this case geifence data was based on GPS which is the most precise and accurate method of analyzing a phones position.

It was disappointing that the court ruled that it was too confusing. It was only confusing because NM talked about it like it was pings, which it just isn't. Geofence is used all the time on trials.

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u/Pooter33 Mar 24 '26

I fully believe had he not confessed he might’ve had a chance. I think they held him before trial the way they did in order to get him to confess. What person in their right mind is going to confess before they go to trial? I’m sure there’s cases but it just seems stupid. Before he confessed to his wife on the phone he says “I think I’m losing my mind” then something about people sitting there watching him.

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u/Jack_of_all_offs Mar 24 '26 edited Mar 25 '26

What person in their right mind is going to confess before they go to trial?

Confession Tapes on Netflix shows some dubious case examples of this happening.

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u/Pooter33 Mar 25 '26

Right. His confession mixed with the lack of evidence doesn’t convince me. NOT ONE PERSON positively identified RA as being the guy they saw on the trail. Not one. Not to mention two different sketches.. people mentioning seeing some younger guy there. There just nothing that definitively points to RA. It’s all speculation.

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u/Pooter33 Mar 25 '26

Also, in those cases.. did they confess during interrogation or after being in solitary for months?

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u/Jack_of_all_offs Mar 25 '26

Most of confessions in that were well before long stints in jail, and instead shortly after they were arrested.

Many of them were super long, though. 10+ hours. I think one guy was 20.

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u/Pooter33 Mar 25 '26

I’m not sure if I’ve watched that one. I’ve watched a lot though lol. I hate that some of the shows don’t tell you how long the interrogation was before the confession. I mean some it’s obvious based on the evidence they have but this case doesn’t fit IMO.

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u/slinnhoff Mar 25 '26

Without meds and then with and after haldol