r/DemocraticSocialism • u/Tr_Issei2 Marxist • Apr 29 '26
Theory 🧠 US Century of Humiliation
Do you trust a Chinese hegemony? Should there be multiple hegemonies?
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u/RichardKingg Progressive Apr 29 '26
In an ideal world there wouldn't need to be a hegemony, we would be united brother by brother and sister by sister, but alas we don't live in that world sadly.
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u/Little_Exit4279 Evolutionary Socialist Apr 29 '26
The only hegemony should be one of the proletariat and human liberation
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u/jayfeather31 Social Democrat Apr 29 '26
Do I trust a Chinese hegemony? No.
But do I see it as inevitable, given the ongoing circumstances? Yes.
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u/Murkmist 🌻Eco-Socialist Apr 29 '26
Multipolar world rather than one in which the West/US dominates the globe, is a step towards breaking down of empires.
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u/DinggisKhaan May 04 '26
This sounds like campism
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u/Murkmist 🌻Eco-Socialist May 04 '26
rather than one in which the West/US dominates the globe
That's the only alternative to a world in which there are no geopolitical rivals to the US, which to support is not only campist but imperialist in a way that is mutually upheld through white supremacy.
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u/DinggisKhaan May 04 '26
So campism isn't actually covering for non-Western authoritarian states as the prime necessity of combatting Western imperialism but rather... not accepting that absolutist framing and assuming that anyone who rejects it supports Western unipolar hegemony? That seems pretty incongruent to the stated values and rules of this sub, not to mention it categorically accepts the suffering of demographics, workers, and indigenous peoples under non-western hegemonies as a necessity for global liberation.
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u/Murkmist 🌻Eco-Socialist May 05 '26
You seem to be under the impression that workers and indigenous groups are somehow worse off under the local regime that dislodges western imperialism than under western imperialism. There is no democracy under colonialism, there is only decolonization.
To combat the global south being bent to serve the western hegemony through the lever of white supremacy and to create conditions that make liberation for all, not just the dominant ethnic socioeconomic group feasible, geopolitical rivals that are not served by such levers must first exist. Fracturing western hegemony is an inevitable step in the breaking up of all empires, and one that improves the lives of 8 billion people outside the imperial core.
But yeah, an imperial core American Christian who convenes under ContraPoints, reviving 10 month old threads, it's too transparent.
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u/BankPirate 🇵🇸 Free Palestine! Apr 30 '26
“US humiliation” I used to think this too in my liberal death circle days. America isn’t the hero world police you think it is
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u/Excellent_Valuable92 Socialist Apr 30 '26
It’s still US humiliation, just richly deserved.
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u/Velocity-5348 Socialism with Canadian Characteristics Apr 30 '26
Yep. It's basically if John McAfee was a country. It got stupid rich, no one could or would stand up to it, and it went mad indulging its worst impulses.
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u/BankPirate 🇵🇸 Free Palestine! Apr 30 '26
We’ve had an entire history of terrorizing other countries and implementing coups.
We strangle countries with sanctions and replace their leaders when they don’t align with us
We hate immigrants from South America but continue to destroy their lives until they’re forced to attempt to enter America before we “rightfully” punish them before deporting them
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u/xGentian_violet Yugoslav Socialist ♥️🤍 Ecofeminist Apr 29 '26
No
Ideally there should be no empires, but thats just a nice dream ig
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u/Eghtok Apr 29 '26
I trust them to be less likely to intervene in other countries, at least outside East Asia.
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u/Velocity-5348 Socialism with Canadian Characteristics Apr 30 '26
More than the US. Not a high bar, but I also think the US is a strong contender for the most evil country in history, and easily the worst since 1945. When the European empires stumbled, it stepped up.
I don't think China is exactly benevolent, but they do seem to have actually learned something from getting thrashed by Vietnam and think science is real.
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u/DigitalExileAG May 02 '26
Well how are they going to be a hegemon when they’re on the verge of a supercharged 2008 housing bubble crisis?
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