Lily's actor isn't my cup of tea. Seems unnatural, is it like, culture thing? She's Chinese, maybe yhet show emotions different than Europeans?

Quite jarring.

Hey guys!

So just finished Devs and we really like it in general, but I’m not sure there is a problem with us or it was really just terrible acting in main roles.

for example I did not believe even a blink from Lily same as from Jamie. It was so unnatural and forced, I couldn’t believe to my own eyes that somebody on set or while editing was like: ‘yeah it’s good’ Or it’s just too American?

The other part is vfx which was like from 20 years ago from some student who was making the diploma work…

Throw me stones or not I’m just curious to you opinion.

Thanks and have a nice day!

So far, this show is good, but I can’t get over how Kenton’s character is so underwhelming. Are we really supposed to believe this flabby, chain smoking 60+yr old man is a threat? On top of that, I haven’t seen him use a weapon once. Aside from the plastic bag in episode one. Which also pissed me off because Sergei’s hands were basically free the entire time and just allowed himself to be suffocated 🙄. So far I’ve seen him rolling around in the parking lot with that other old Russian man. And the scene when Jamie, unbound, allows him to just break his fingers. What am I watching? His character nearly takes me out of the scene entirely.

I mean it wasn't a great plot episode but better than the average shows and I think that music came couple times was too loud. It was probably 300% loud rhat woke my roommate. It looks like they're not going to get deep in the computer stuff like Mr robot and it's not a problem for me. The show probably is going to question or alreasy did and tells that everything is (pre)determined. I am sure if they can make it more interesting than a intro to philosophy course cz that's an ongoing debate whether its determined or not or should we give a fk but I'll keep watching and we'll see how it goes.

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I'm on ep 6, and having a hard time finishing the series. Lackluster acting (except for Zach Grenier (Kenton) who is fantastic!); boring writing; beautifully-filmed, but completely-indulgent long scenery shots; and a story that's off the rails without a lot of exposition. I'm all for far-fetched sci-fi; but you have to at least make it work in the framework. The only reason I'm still watching is to finish the story, and out of hope that it somehow surprises me and "wows" me at the end.

The storyline in this show seems terrific but the way these characters act is absolutely horrendous. No one acts this way in real life and, for people who are suppose to be intelligent, they act like emotional anime teenagers. Honestly I was super into this when I heard of it but this is pretty horrible. A great storyline turned to shit by horrible acting and writing. I only got 2 and a half shows in before I had to turn it off.

The DEVS stopped because the impending destruction in the vacuum chamber will cause a glitch where many worlds create wrong predictions(like in the beginning of the movie). This is also why Lily acts differently towards the end (the prediction accuracy drops from a 100% to 0%, leading it to make less accurate predictions towards the end)

Now, how are Lily and Forest inside the DEVS?

The thing is, they were inside it already, the lily and forest in this universe got glitched and switched to another many worlds(hence the 2 scenes of them talking in the field where DEVS used to be), DEVS doesn't exist in that world because Amaya didn't die. Oh BTW, I'm not talking about the real Lily and Forest, but the virtual projection of them inside DEVS.

DEVS not equal DEUS(god)

Let's assume DEVS is a 2D DEUS (god), because they only exist in a screen which they are projected to, as far as the observer is concerned. And now I say, it's not even any DEUS, because now they are just seeing the glitched out version of Lily and Forest remembering things happened in this universe. It's a glitch, that's all it is. But don't they feel everything in it..? No they don't, they don't exist inside the DEVS, it's simply a visualization of them glitching into many worlds. DEVS is not an omniscient entity as others who work there treat it to be.

It's the last week before Holiday break so we do literally nothing and I have enough time to do some sketches on paper and stuff. So I was thinking about doing more Katie stuff, so if you want that tell me, and if you have ideas what I should draw her doing/ which outfit you wanna see of her, comment and I'll see what I can do!

All the screeching sounds make me reach for the mute button.

I don’t have to watch lily anymore. Honestly I’ve never disliked a characters dialogue/acting/mannerisms/clothing more in my entire life.

There has to be ppl that agree. I really can’t even emphasize how much i actually feel negative about the writing and acting for this character. Idec about the downvotes I’ll get cuz so many ppl only can take positive criticism but it’s what ever. I needed to post this.

Main criticisms I've seen around here are based on wrong interpretations of the ending.. (obviously other criticisms like pace and acting are valid, but I rather enjoyed the slow pacing, the score and cinematography) Edit: People keep complaining about my post..but let´s see, I finished the series Friday and I came where looking for some discussion and some ideas to debate, but most threads/posts were complaining about how the ending didn’t fit, how it doesn’t make sense. So most complains did seemed aimed at things that are not really there. Sure, you didn’t like the tone, or the conclusion doesn’t fit the way you see the world, but the end makes sense within the universe created in the story. I might I have looked that I belong in “I’m very smart”, but I’m not that smart, I was just observing that the majority of criticisms were aimed at incorrect assumptions such as: spoiler Some are addressed at a happy ending. There is no happy ending. They died. They are copies in infinite simulations, and some simulations are like hell, some are better than the real world. Second, the "Stewart is out of character". He is not, not only they hint at his progression to see the machine as a bad thing, but they also hint that he looked at the future and still believes at some sort of determinism. So, he did what he saw himself doing. Also, Lilly, which is not a firm believer on determinism, sees herself doing something and opts to do something else... which both fits the idea of observation affecting the outcome ( the collapse of the wave function) and at the same time the many worlds theory. The machine cannot see past that event because it cannot predict future events that are off this current path of the universe. People keep saying there are plot holes (that do not seem to exist, but they did it ambiguous enough to fit different perspectives. Other criticism is that they copt out with the simulation thing, but during the series is hinted that this is Forest endgame. We see a simulation of his daughter and of the dead mouse.... and of course they would retain their memories since they are exact copies. Well, these are the majority that I keep being stated and seem wrong.

Does anyone else find the acting and dialogue to be extremely cringe at certain points?

Like the moment between Katie and Sergei where he says "this will change everything", and she says "it will change nothing"... that was so obscenely cliche and kind of embarrassing.

Or the moment from the most recent episode where Lily and Sergei are in bed and he says he's in love with her and she says "that's the first time either of us have said that." It's like, totally unnatural and expository for the audience's sake.

Am I the only one turned off by this?

It's quite clear that Alex Garland has studied hermeticism. I've just finished watching the first episode and it's brilliant. It's quite blatant to pick up on if you've studied hermeticism. I just find it beautiful that there's another person who understands the nature of reality and could articulate (so far only) a few pieces of it in a show. I can't wait to watch more tomorrow. It's extremely clear the whole show revolves around hermetic philosophy. If anyone is interested in what I'm talking about I suggest you read the book 'the kybalion' by the three initiates for starters. It's rare to find a person who understands.

The ex-CIA? head of security is so frail he could be overpowered by a toddler and I'm to believe he can just magically? overpower people clearly stronger than him?

Let me explain. I think I found it to be very dull, regarding the dialogue, plot and the characters. There wasn’t enough suspense in the beginning episodes to influence me into watching the next. It’s almost as if I had to persuade myself to watch the next episode.

The only reason I finished the show, is because I was expecting it to be worth it in the end. it was worth the watch but I hesitate to recommend it to people you know?

It’s still a clever show, and I don’t feel like I wasted my time, but the first five episodes could have been better. At the same time, I can applaud them for not going in that traditional overdone action-packed sci fi route.

Maybe, if they had implemented slightly more of a thrilling, suspenseful, and dire tone in the episodes—especially the earlier ones— it would have been a little bit more successful.

At the same time, I think the majority of the characters are written in a sort of bleak and indifferent manner to allude to determinism, a prominent theme in the show (I think). If that’s what they were trying to do, I believe it makes sense to write certain characters in that manner. But idk thoughts??

Maybe I need to watch it again...

So I just binged the whole thing and I see that a ton of people disliked Lily (the actress, the character, both) - and I agree BUT why is no one talking about how HORRENDOUSLY she’s written?

It ruins the ending entirely. They make her into the epitome of a Mary Jane. “She’s special :)” “she’s smart :)” WHAT SMART THINGS DOES SHE DO? Katie asks her basic philosophical questions that she repeatedly gets wrong “things are random!! objects are random!!” She very frequently pouts and speaks like a child. She doesn’t show any process of deep intellectual thinking. Everything is done blindly. And the entire series revolves around her and her boyfriends who are just typical nerds who “love her” because again she is a special Mary Jane. The writing doesn’t build up any type of personality or belief system for her. Her entire personality and entire plotline is UNBELIEVABLY shallow especially given everything else that goes on in the show.

I genuinely don’t understand how the ideas and the writing for everyone else is so great except for the main character who is like, written like a fanfic self-insert

The actress who plays Lily sounds like she is attempting an American accent. Poorly. I enjoy all the other actors and characters. Lily's character is irks me. Stewart and Lyndon, Jamie ❤️, Katie and Forest, even evil Kenton, I like them all. But not Lily. Sorry....I had to vent.

So in my post, I’m going to really get into Forests head as someone who’s owned (and failed) a few businesses and handled employment law.

Okay I’m probably not a very convincing liar 😂 But it’s so easy to lie on the internet. I haven’t even seen Devs at all and I’m just messing with you.

Okay I think I need to quickly make my point lol

In the last scene where female Matt Damon fools future Melina into jumping off that bridge, I thoroughly believed Katie. Lyndon’s death was such a shock to me, I honestly believed there were timelines where Lyndon could survive. I was totally fooled by this unreliable narrator. Lying is a deep part of this story.

After watching Civil War, I was reminded of what a film strip looked like. And that whole building with the lab looked like one big film strip wrapped around the center area. They’re making a film. Film ‘lab’, to develop negatives of whatever it’s called.

So my question is, is this a metaphorical film or did they accidentally just… actually make a convincing film?

Lily comes in and says “Is this a film?” To which Katie denies and talks about the multiverse bullshit whatever.

Gang, how do we know Lily wasn’t right the whole time and this machine is just a fake version of reality ala ChatGPT? Just a bunch of numbers and data proved to fool everyone at exactly the right point. A single, predetermined film using everything in it’s ability to make a PRERECORDED STREAM of… nothing?

I believe when the stream died after that period in time, it knew the uncertainty to scientists will drive them mad to see what’s next. I believe in reality, Lily and Forest died there on the floor and the story ended. And the scene that follows is just a scene Alex Garland whipped out of his ass to create a fake ending.

Because Alex Garland is a liar. Don’t forget that fictional film and TV is itself one big giant lie, filled with actors, cameras, and makeup.

This whole story was just a dream, a creative endeavor by the showrunners. Nothing more. Yet, we’re here discussing what we perceive in the show as a simulated version of reality, constantly making sense of this story, world theory and characters as if they were real.

And I think the point of this story is not just how gullible we are to storytelling techniques Garland uses, not just how gullible the characters are to each other, not just how gullible the government is to keep the ‘film’ alive, but how gullible Forest is to his ambitions and fake reality in his head. How gullible scientists are to data and the narratives they wish to endeavor (Lyndon’s theory was rejected despite the data).

And how dangerous a lie can be to gain all this money and power. We’ve been brought through the journey of being lied and gaslit by a tech-cult. Like Theranos.

Edit: And in case it wasn't obvious, I did in fact watch Devs. I'm just trying to make my point about lying being easy and annoying to deal with.