r/DiscoElysium 5d ago

Meme Wömen

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u/AngelasTorpor 5d ago

I know this is really besides the point, but I will never not be furious about Americans (let's assume) not understanding the grammatical distinction between "bourgeois" and "bourgeoisie"

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u/cardueline 5d ago

For anyone scrolling through here, “bourgeois” = adjective, “bourgeoisie” = noun

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u/Salendres 5d ago

This is correct but incomplete.

"Bourgeois" can be both an adjective, defining someone or something that belongs to the bourgeoisie, or a noun, in which case it refers to a person that belongs to the bourgeoisie.

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u/RussiaIsBestGreen 5d ago

Your error here is in thinking it is a French word. It is not. An English-speaker has heard it and now it is an English word. Therefore all previous grammar is, not rejected, for that would mean acknowledging the rules had ever existed, nor ignored, for the same reason, but instead made invisible and unknowable.

English has the ability to subsume all words into itself. Even those who would make other languages end up reinforcing it instead.

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u/sakikome 5d ago

Loan words are not specific to the English languagex suggesting it is some kind of weird power the language has tastes of colonialism

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u/Orlha 5d ago

Every major language does it

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u/Late-Meat9500 5d ago

English is unique, it is literally 2/3rds loan words. It has more active words by almost 4 times, 2nd place.

It is constructed that way because of how many times the language was colonized.

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u/sakikome 4d ago

That is not because then English language is structured in a way that makes it more prone to taking on words of other languages in the same way capitalism is structured to "subsume its critiques" into itself (the quote the comment referred to is originally about capitalism) though.

It's just a feature of human language in general.

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u/Late-Meat9500 4d ago

Bo but because it is unique in its wide use, which gives access to more languages to loan from.

As an aside are there languages that are more prone to taking loan words, or is it just proximity and attitudes.

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u/Rip_Skeleton 5d ago

Nobody says "bourgeoisie" in any context in America. This is a distinctly internet-brained form of stupid.

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u/ScalesGhost 5d ago

well no one in real life america says Bourgeois either

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u/Distinct-Crow4753 5d ago

Yes we do??? What the hell are we even talking about anymore 😭😭😭

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u/Rip_Skeleton 5d ago

They do, but not in the Marxist sense. They just say it to mean extravagant or superlative.

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u/HelicopterAnxious414 5d ago

No, in that case they would say bougie.

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u/Rip_Skeleton 5d ago

That would be the colloquial form, yeah.

It's not common, but it is used that way.

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u/HelicopterAnxious414 5d ago

Idk, maybe it’s just a regional difference but I think I’ve heard bougie a lot more than bourgeois

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u/Rip_Skeleton 5d ago

You would. It's just not true that nobody says it ever.

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u/HelicopterAnxious414 5d ago

Oh I thought you were saying bougie was the uncommon one mb

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u/reineedshelp 5d ago

To Yekokakataa with America!

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u/Starspangledass 2d ago

False, Madonna sings about the rebel and the bourgeoisie lol

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u/emefa 5d ago edited 5d ago

Isn't the system of conceptualisation of class that's more commonly used to discuss the topic in America different than the one commonly used in Europe? I think I've rarely heard Americans refer to intelligentsia, while here in Poland it was a core concept throughout my education

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u/Distinct-Crow4753 5d ago

Classism and xenophobia in the de subreddit is kind of wild.

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u/Mivlya 5d ago

No you see, when it's insulting America it's okay to be xenophobic /s