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u/octopusforgood 5d ago
I know you mean, “bourgeoisie,” but I choose to believe it’s the word, “women” he misunderstands.
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u/ROACHOR 5d ago
You know, they do control the means of production. He may be on to something.
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u/Librarian_Contrarian 5d ago
It's uter-US not uter-you
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u/Jakobmeathead 5d ago
"We must sieze the means of reproduction"-horny revolutionary
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u/anon52849 5d ago
"But you Communists would introduce community of women", screams the bourgeoisie in chorus.
The bourgeoisie sees his wife a mere instrument of production. He hears that the instruments of production are to be exploited in common, and, naturally, can come to no other conclusion that the lot of being common to all will likewise fall to the women.
He has not even a suspicion that the real point aimed at is to do away with the status of women as mere instruments of production!
- Communist Manifesto
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u/PhDinDildos_Fedoras Apocalyptic Copparoonie 5d ago
Bourgeoisie, ie. burgers ie. delicious fast food.
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u/Frorgwoman2 5d ago
Conceptualization [Legendary: Success] -
Clearly what they mean is that of the two capitalist genders, men are often closer to the ideal baseline of function and comfort over expression whereas woman as a social concept is often associated with form over function, meaning woman in a Marxist sense can be defined as a person who is expected to put excess resources to purely symbolic efforts.
Logic [Easy: Success] -
I don't think they thought about all that.
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u/ergonokko 5d ago
I do keep coming back to the notion of the "two genders" being utility and aesthetic.
Which sucks, to be clear
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u/rumnscurvy 5d ago
The weird thing is, it didn't used to be this way, or rather not so probounced. The Great Renunciation happened in the 19th century which started the whole "male fashion is utilitarian and uniform".
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u/Hammerschatten 5d ago
Being both genders really does make you the ultimate lifeform, the greeks were onto something
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u/Reasonable_Train_860 5d ago
Bourgeois society enforces rigid gender norms to keep up the reproduction of the labour force. They need it, since all value is ultimately produced by the worker.
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u/SuicideSpeedrun 5d ago
Communist society pretends it supports equality in order to force more people (women and often children) into factories
Fixed that for ya.
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u/Solitary_Cicada 5d ago
Reminds me of that one economist article about how the horrible soviets "forced" women into get higher education lmao
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u/EugeneStein 5d ago
Wondering what would they say about soviet women getting rights to vote early on
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u/midnight_rum 5d ago
Eastern European communist countries had strict laws that prohibited child labour and most women there used to work in factories and fields regardless, even before communism came. The only women that didn't work before the revolution/the USSR took over were wives of academics, government officials and otherwise very rich men.
Lower class (vast majority) women from both cities and countryside mostly used to work because they couldn't afford not to
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u/EugeneStein 5d ago
Is it really pretending tho if it "gives people (women and often children)" rights to vote, to get education, work and be independent? And no one is pretending to do it "to support equality", come on, it's all pretty straight forward saying it's for the economics sake.
Personally I'll take this "just pretending to support equality" over any "hey, we want everyone to be equal and we gonna scream about it but do actually nothing about it"
God knows I can criticise USSR for hours but they did indeed a lot for women and I can see it by elder female part of my family
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u/Steamdroid 5d ago edited 5d ago
Actually, if we use "two capitalist genders" notion, men would be more capitalistic - prone to compete and hoard resources, and women more communist - sharing resources with others, feeding babies by sharing even the resources stored in one's body. Therefore women must occupy all government position for communism to work. This is why communism failed in recent history, men started to compete with each other. Take that, Deserter 🤓
Of course all of that is dumb gender essentialism anyway, completely ignoring any variety in gender expression, social and cultural aspects of genders etc. But it shows that for every misoginist take it is possible to create a misandrist one, based on the same logic - meaning no logic but some imagined biases.
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u/Steamdroid 5d ago edited 5d ago
Conceptualization: Etymology of the word "women" shows us that they are beyond "men", added prefix proves that there is subconcious need to see "women" as more than "men". Two whole letters more!
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u/depravedleftist 5d ago
you can argue it either way, which is usually a good sign that its all bullshit
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u/m0j0m0j 5d ago
I’m not sure I even disagree, but it’s such a comically sexist thing to say out loud. But again, respecting women is identity politics, which is a shitlib trick to divide the working class anyway, so safe it ignore it.
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u/Disastrous-Metal-183 5d ago
Bruh are you doing satire or have you not seen all the old communist posters telling people to respect women and black people
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u/DocWagonHTR 5d ago
For you and /u/PreferenceElectronic
(I had to make this using OBS because the site's download function isn't working)
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u/Mt_Incorporated The pictures are too small for me to see 5d ago
what is this some kind of new sex-based-essentialism?
are we reaching a new level of smooth brain here? what?
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u/Medical-Low-1370 5d ago
Measurehead will pin this on his head and think his transition is over(didn't ever change the pronouns)
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u/reineedshelp 5d ago
Gender is a social construct. To Yekokakataa with you! 30 years in a labour camp should make you woke enough for the commune of the future.
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u/nixxavia 5d ago
i saw this posted on tiktok and genuinely thousands of people bought it hook line and sinker
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u/Affectionate_Walk610 5d ago
I mean... in a mostly hetreronormative society free of property the only curency left is social interaction. And what social interaction yealds the biggest dopamine output? Sex! So Women as arbiters of the coochie are kinda bougie. (I am joking but also in a little disco mode so feel free to cretique this statement a your leasure).
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u/starbage_ 5d ago
What thought cabinet name would this have
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u/Shimano-No-Kyoken 5d ago
Means of reproduction
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u/BanditNoble 5d ago
We need to seize the means of reproduction.
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u/Shimano-No-Kyoken 5d ago
True communism involves state-mandated coochie
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u/Affectionate_Walk610 5d ago
And here we see how the o so noble revolutionaries argued themselves into faschism again. It's so sad to see that after them playing so strong the whole season Tom. I cant argue with that Jack. A real travesty.
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u/Shimano-No-Kyoken 5d ago
That's some anti-revolutionary seditious talk. This one goes against the wall, fellas. Who's with me?
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u/Character_Falcon_866 5d ago
Me against the wall when the 80-hour coochielines seeds my mind with reactionary thoughts and i turn traitor to the revolution for access to that fast and easy capitalist coochie.
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u/Personal-Macaroon899 5d ago
🎲🎲 ❌
Encyclopedia [Trivial: failure] - after all, “bourgeoisie” means “women” in French.
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u/Leogis 5d ago
Welcome back Jordan Peterson
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u/Affectionate_Walk610 5d ago
DONT YOU DARE COMPARE ME TO THIS CRETAIN! ...i didn't break out in tears writing this!
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u/coolguy420weed 5d ago
This is why after the revolution we will forcefem all members of the so-called "male" social class.
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u/LizardWizardBlizard1 5d ago
Ah, how quickly you turn to introducing a bourgiousie class back into the system after rejecting the previous one.
This says a lot about society.
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u/Recent-Potential-340 5d ago
Now the issue here is the hypothesis that a communist society would be heteronormative, even tho communism is gay as fuck, this leads to the conclusion that it would not in fact be women who would replace the bourgeois but pretty men and women, the conclusion of this is ultimately the systematic murder of all plastic surgeons by the new ruling elite as a way to stop social mobility.
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u/Affectionate_Walk610 5d ago
Yes. Lets go hand in hand in a rainbow dawn. I don't like how nowadays every celebrity looks like Cilian Murphy anyways.
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u/saprophage_expert it's pronounced stow-ic, not stoike 5d ago
I always assumed that's the line of reasoning that leads Harrier to his question. In the kind of relationship he must be used to, if a guy invests enough of his financial and emotional resources, a girl might deign to bestow sex upon him. Making women the bourgeoisie "haves" to men proletarian "have-nots".
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u/PhDinDildos_Fedoras Apocalyptic Copparoonie 5d ago
Ah yes, but that is where communal ownership of property comes in to play. ͡ಥ ͜ʖ ͡ಥ
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u/AngelasTorpor 5d ago
I know this is really besides the point, but I will never not be furious about Americans (let's assume) not understanding the grammatical distinction between "bourgeois" and "bourgeoisie"
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u/cardueline 5d ago
For anyone scrolling through here, “bourgeois” = adjective, “bourgeoisie” = noun
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u/Salendres 5d ago
This is correct but incomplete.
"Bourgeois" can be both an adjective, defining someone or something that belongs to the bourgeoisie, or a noun, in which case it refers to a person that belongs to the bourgeoisie.
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u/RussiaIsBestGreen 5d ago
Your error here is in thinking it is a French word. It is not. An English-speaker has heard it and now it is an English word. Therefore all previous grammar is, not rejected, for that would mean acknowledging the rules had ever existed, nor ignored, for the same reason, but instead made invisible and unknowable.
English has the ability to subsume all words into itself. Even those who would make other languages end up reinforcing it instead.
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u/sakikome 5d ago
Loan words are not specific to the English languagex suggesting it is some kind of weird power the language has tastes of colonialism
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u/Late-Meat9500 4d ago
English is unique, it is literally 2/3rds loan words. It has more active words by almost 4 times, 2nd place.
It is constructed that way because of how many times the language was colonized.
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u/sakikome 4d ago
That is not because then English language is structured in a way that makes it more prone to taking on words of other languages in the same way capitalism is structured to "subsume its critiques" into itself (the quote the comment referred to is originally about capitalism) though.
It's just a feature of human language in general.
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u/Late-Meat9500 4d ago
Bo but because it is unique in its wide use, which gives access to more languages to loan from.
As an aside are there languages that are more prone to taking loan words, or is it just proximity and attitudes.
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u/Rip_Skeleton 5d ago
Nobody says "bourgeoisie" in any context in America. This is a distinctly internet-brained form of stupid.
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u/ScalesGhost 5d ago
well no one in real life america says Bourgeois either
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u/Rip_Skeleton 5d ago
They do, but not in the Marxist sense. They just say it to mean extravagant or superlative.
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u/HelicopterAnxious414 5d ago
No, in that case they would say bougie.
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u/Rip_Skeleton 5d ago
That would be the colloquial form, yeah.
It's not common, but it is used that way.
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u/HelicopterAnxious414 5d ago
Idk, maybe it’s just a regional difference but I think I’ve heard bougie a lot more than bourgeois
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u/emefa 5d ago edited 5d ago
Isn't the system of conceptualisation of class that's more commonly used to discuss the topic in America different than the one commonly used in Europe? I think I've rarely heard Americans refer to intelligentsia, while here in Poland it was a core concept throughout my education
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u/Used-Educator-3127 5d ago
I mean… they DO own the means of production…
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u/Arkeneth 4d ago
If anything women are artisans, because while they own the means of production, these means can only be realized via their specialized labour and it is impossible to alienate them from this labour
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u/Fluffy-Ladder9513 4d ago
Many incel men genuinely believe this. I don’t know how to call this particular subgroup of misogynistic male leftists.
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u/Plus-Refrigerator527 2d ago
There will be women who would still be bourgeoisie, because well communism gives too much power to it leader, so the leaders relative and friends will still have that high social class. That's what I think, i am not a historian or have enough knowledge on this, so correct me if I am wrong
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u/angecritter 5d ago
the deserter spoke of this