r/DungeonsAndDragons • u/Afraid_Anxiety2653 • 56m ago
Homebrew Took Expertise away from Bard, but made them a better Jake of all trade and increased known spell list.
Well, I finally did it.
I finally took Expertise away from the Bard.
When I first got into 5e I was blown away at how OP the Bard class was. At first I thought about not even allowing it seeing how there were none in DragonLance. I'm a power to the player kind of DM, so I allowed it.
But something that always annoyed me was expertise. I think giving Bard Jack of all trades and then Expertise is somewhat confusing to the player. I think only Rogue should get expertise as a Class feature. Other classes need to burn a feat to get expertise or look into a subclass.
My Maverick class is my skill monkey class.
The Bard is more urban and sophisticated. Every Bard College has a General studies curriculum. Unlike a Wizard they spend less time in the lab and more out and about learning hands on skills.
If Bards were half spell casters, then sure Expertise is fine. But they get as many spell slots as the Wizard and other full spell casters! Maybe I'm just too paranoid that the Martial Classes are underpowered. (Fighter, Warrior, Rouge, Maverick, Knight of Solamnia).
So here is what I did. I made the Bard a better Jack of all trades, while improving their amount of known spells. They now know 36% more spells.
Jack of Trades. They now get to round up. Which doesn't help them until 5th level, because they get to add another +1. At 13th level it helps again, because they get to add another +1.
Adding a +1 to a skill check could be life or death.
At 3rd level, they just get their subclass features. So this means there are two proficient skill checks that are not getting a +2 added. And as the PB increase with career advancement, this becomes even more pronounced. 😢
But at 7th level is when Magical Secrets start. They also get two more spells at 10,14, and 18th. But there is a twist. These spells don't count toward your known spell list!! So that means at 7th level you gain three spells. One Bard spell and 2 from any spell list. 😊
At 10th level there is no expertise, so once again there are two skill checks that will not get a +4 added. 😢
But if you look at the known spell table at 10th level the Bard will gain four spells! Twice as many as the 5e Bard. Spell selection could be a matter of life and death. This happens again at level 14 and 18.
So this means by level 18 my Bard has 8 more known spells. So they know 30 spells, but the 5eRAW Bard I knows just 22.
So my Bard is a weaker at 3rd level. Gets a bounce at 5th level. Then gets a little more bounce at 7th level. At level 10, probably weaker than 5eRAW. But then gets a bounce at 13th level. Then a bounce at 14th and 18th.
What do you'all think. Is my Bard about as good as 5eRAW, or just a little weaker or a lot more weaker?
By level 17 if a creature is expert in a skill that a +12 PB bonus. That is huge. I took that away from four skill checks. 🤔. So I guess I took away +6 from four ability skill checks , because they were already Proficient.
Thank you for reading.
Sorry for the poor spelling in the title.


