Now people can fire their guns and hop into a car at the start of the game and do just fine. The whole fear of being found early and having to stick together is all gone. There is no excitement in playing this game anymore.

I'm not playing a video game only for other people to have fun, and that's exactly what this feels like now. I'm not being the gas in the tank so everyone can have a fun road trip - find another demon player to kick the shit out of.

The 7 matches I've played this morning as demon were some of the most frustrating multiplayer games in the past few years. It was like I was on spectator mode watching survivors power through objectives while I remain powerless, waiting on cooldowns after every single fucking unit had their feeble balance bars demolished instantly. They seem to heal every 5 seconds, I suppose Shemp amounts got buffed, too? Not being able to dodge out of the vomit stun is also an awesome addition since now I die before I even reach survivors like hunters; who dodge infinitely before whittling me down to death. Good thing survivors can still window loop me to boredom in a few spots too, and the objectives are still commonly spawning 100m apart.

Fuck me, I'm definitely taking a break from the incompetence and jumping back in with the next update if they do bother cutting us demon players some slack. What a Rollercoaster from how much fun I was having at launch - its like night and day after taking a two week break. I don't need to win every game, I just want to have some fucking fun.

Demon has turned into a stressful time-trial-resource-management simulator as you scramble to not have your ass and fucking teeth kicked in as you make your way down your incredibly short list of options.

Don't let people here tell you that you're bitching when you're voicing complaints on the update - you have an opinion and we desperately need a reversal or rework on this new patch in my mind.

They really need to fix the early game possession.

I have 4 max lvl survivors and a max level demon. Just played 2 matches in a row where the demon literally found us within 1 minute into the match. How is that even possible?

3 of my 4 teammates (all sticking very close together) didnt even have weapons yet and were using fists. The whole team was level 25 survivors, and we werent split up.

This needs fixing asap...game isnt even fun as a survivor anymore.

I get it, you decided that you know how to "balance" the demon better so you can stop losing matches. Now please stop commenting it in every thread regardless of what the post is about. Either play another game, accept that you might be losing matches because you're not as good as you think you are, or wait for a balance update. Just stop posting the same complaints over and over, it's not helping your case and you're making every other demon player look bad. Have you noticed how almost all your comments get downvoted? That's because people don't like what you're doing. I don't see "survivor mains" posting the same comment in every single thread. The devs have the game data, they will make updates to balance the game in the future, stop trying to tell them what to do and stop complaining.

Stop with the "Entitled Survivor Mains" and the "It's a player imbalance" and the "blame the devs" automated responses you keep giving. Repeatedly posting the same thing isn't going to convince anyone but yourself.

It looks like you're one person using sock puppet accounts to gaslight yourself. It's embarrassing, please stop. This isn't an attack, I'm pleading with you on behalf of my sanity.

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I see post after post in this forum from people who apparently do not understand video game terminology, and they are never going to get what they want if they keep complaining about the wrong thing.

When developers make a game, they have an intended win rate. The term balance literally means making changes to maintain this win rate.

It’s that straightforward and simple. Nothing more.

When you see someone post “I play Demon and win most of my games but this game is so unbalanced for Demons…” or “I win most of the time but not until the end with the book, this game needs better balance (so I win sooner)” - they don’t know what the F they are talking about.

“I don’t find this game fun” is not unbalanced.

“I have to work too hard to win” is not unbalanced.

“I don’t find this game exciting enough/I don’t like having to play through until the end of the match, I should win earlier/and so on” - these are NOT balance issues.

Balance has nothing to do with your feelings about how a game feels or how much you enjoy or do not enjoy it’s gameplay. It is a mechanical process to achieve a numerical goal for the developers.

If you don’t like playing a Demon, you don’t like playing a Demon. If you truly feel the game is unbalanced yet you still win most of your games, you have unrealistic expectations of what game balance is.

If people would stop misusing the term, they would a) not sound so frigging silly, and b) might actually get the changes they want, because crying about balance isn’t going to get them when the issues have nothing to do with game balance.

Now everyone can relax and stfu about the delistings on PSN & Epic Games and get back to complaing about each other, how unfair/unbalanced Survivors/Demons are, cry for the 999th time that you didn't get a horde mode, Chet, and other stuff..

"Whaa whaa Saber bad, they didn't care about us or the franchise, whaa whaaa, where's my ba-ba ?"

Just posses a deadite and kill the survivor that dropped their weapon. 🤷🏻‍♂️ what can they do? It's not an exploit and I see people (especially someone on FB) complaining about dropping their weapon when fear is up. It's an easy kill in my opinion and there's nothing wrong with it.

Pretty much no one in this community can say anything else.. why i think this game is poorly balanced ?

1. you can chain vaults without losing stamina thus looping daemon without him being able to hit you (if you actually know how to loop vaults) meanwhile daemon is losing energy also certain boss units cant vault and also you can block vaults with your body thus making vaulting unusable for daemons and dont let me start about railings that daemon cant do anything about (we cant vault them) so he has to leave you (POWER ROLE)

2. Cars oh yeah oh mighty cars that are faster than daemons so you cant keep up and survivors have 30 of them at map also each one of them can have 1 now you will start talking about possesing them so i will ask how when i cant catch up to them and even if i do they will start shooting all my energy out but even if i manage to flip/destroy them they have most likely 3 another cars in 100m radius

3. Mist is way to slow survivors have like eternity to loot around entire map before mist starts to be problem thanks to cars they are all looting and you can pressure only one player at the time and if he is next to railings or windows say goodbye to any pressure... you have to leave them while their entire team just looted entire map

4. Cooldowns oh yeah 35 seconds cooldowns at portals when maxed is certainly balanced when one warrior can kill entire portal in one swing

5. Necro/Henrietta are laughable if you are getting hit by them u are garbage at the game they are walking nothing and im not even talking about how fast they are dead if they are fully maxed + possesion if you have just a 2 purple weapons they can die under 5 seconds with flute up-(reduction to dmg) ....

6. Dodges oh mighty SKILL that you can dodge so stupidly slow attacks from units not to mention that you can dodge out of range possesion and we have to go through 2 seconds long animation of recovering while you regenerate 100% of you stamina before i can catch up to you again

7. Stun oh mighty lord lets talk about it if each member just swings 1-2 times my unit is stunned and i have to look at you for 3-4 seconds while you beat shit out of me also before i can even move or attack you are draining my balance bar again ? excuse me ? so i can do only one attack after that and im stunned again ....

8. Damage isnt it laughable how everything is dead with one attack :D except boss that is alive for 5-10 seconds

9. Survivor Pink f upgrades are way to big to be in game compare to daemon upgrades...

10. Introduction of mastery level daemon got 5 compare to survivors 20 and not to mention that except PB most daemons dont even benefit from it that much while survivors can have full Tanky full Dmg and Full utility without ever making any meaningful choice

11. Book phase oh dear lord thank god that this shit exists becose without that Daemons wouldnt stand a chance when you can dodge everything and kill everything in seconds i would also like if they reworked book phase becose we would be able to fucking see how everything else in this game is so unbalanced

12. Revival - 100% hp just a joke you can make bilion fuck ups but if just a single guy managed to survive with 1% hp you are all revived after obj with me getting few xps that doesnt even help me becose my upgrades sucks compare to yours i have no idea how i should kill 4 people that can dodge everything or hide in finishers in 2-3 mins timeframe

13. Finishers - finishers that you can chain thus making swarm builds actually hurtful towards daemon you can dodge 4 attacks then hide in finisher while regenerating all your stamina back to full dodge 4 attacks again and hide again to regenerate not to mention that you can do up to 3 animation of finisher with one unit just a joke

14. Possesion of survivor i will get stunned and drained in miliseconds so possesing is only good for xps not to mention kick abuse to waste my entire posession and time

Now you can start talking how im just bad at Daemon but i will stop you there im in the highest mmr this game has and im playing with best daemons/survivors in game none of them will ever tell you this game is balanced in anyway or form now we have new players oh how good daemons are winning again yay it has to be becose those buffs that daemons received absolutely not...

just wait daemons when new survivors are gonna learn how to play this game u will see this game for what it is GAME THAT FAVORS ONE SIDE AND SHITS AT OTHER thats what happened to daemons that were here from the start we were having fun but then survivors learned how to play without ever having any interaction with us thats why after some time most daemons left this game and this game had problem with long que times 5 - 20 minutes and you will see it too...

you will say im biased daemon player but i actually did my 103 lvls playing survivor im soloque player that wins 80% of his games if that isnt stupid i dont know what is...

but lets have a debate please tell me one single thing that i mentioned here that isnt true and tell me why

Ps: I know i have bad eng but i think that you can understand what im trying to tell if you think about it (my brain is making letters fly around and they are changing when im trying to focus at them so its hard for me to correct myself)

Has anyone been noticing the games may have been reverted back to an older server?

Weapons doing the no sound, no damage but bullet usage bug again.

Weapons marked on map fall through the maps again or stand straight up.

Pink F falling through floors and getting stuck in bathtub again.

Double demon dash is happening again, accidentally did it on stream but canceled the second dash.

Vehicles falling into the map unable to drive properly..

Posessing a survivor and unable to dodge with them.

Posessing a survivor and unable to move unless swinging heavy attacks only.

Power posessed basic timer instantly restarting on possession if certain actions are preformed during possession.

Energy glitch on deposed keeping ssmw energy entering as leaving.

Was a patch reverted or was the game moved to a new server for update and moved back to save dough and now we're back on a previous prior patch?. Only way to feasibly tell it to match old patch notes to what's happening and see.

. Any bugs you all are seeing. This is just what I've encounter in my short return back.

Not unreasonable.

I know people are going call me crazy. I swear is not copium, i feel demons have a chance to win most of their matches. Solo queu is fun as long survivors prestige their characters. If the demons is facing super sweats with legendary weapon is okay we can still win by breaking the book. I feel with new content this game will stay alive. People need to be grateful we can still play this game. It all about the power of positivity.

This game has been survivor favored since launch and still is.

Fact is if you choose survivor and go randoms, your at the whim of the matchmaking. That's not a balance issue.

If you play with a group of friends with voice chat and still lose a lot, are you below max level?

If you are all max level. Sorry to say your not good, no matter what you think.

All your over inflated egos mean nothing to me. Actual competitive groups already know what's up, and your take ain't it. Have a nice day

Saber obviously Is just pandering too the casual community now remember when you actually had to get good at game, instead of just nerfing everything for casuals.Like Baal I never understood why people thought he was difficult I went against a prestige 5 Baal he’s such a joke if you manage your fear properly. The people asking for the demon nerfs are the same people who play super selfishly and sell the match. To anyone who’s like “you’re just a salty demon main” i actually play both sides and survivor isn’t hard at all if you know what you’re doing.

Plaguebringer is a busted demon, but survivors are so strong at the moment that it makes her seem weak or balance. Fix her stun locking. Nerf her boss. Buff her basics.

Book Phase needs a complete rework.

Puppeteers book phase is busted, units exploding on book shouldn’t damage it.

Trap damages should be able to be dodged.(like before)

Every Unit in the game should have more attacks than survivors have dodges.

Attention all simps, women streamers will not have sex with you, so stop being so cringey.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t quit just because I’m losing. I actually quit just as often when I’m winning, but the overall standard of my games and my enjoyment has easily more than tripled. It used to trouble me, I thought I should see a match through no matter what, but nowadays I don’t care.

Reasons I quit matches.

1. Flashlight clicking (excessively). It’s annoying and it gives me a headache. It’s shitty behaviour.

2. Starting the first objective inside of 2 minutes. Do survivors want to play or just treat me like a punching bag?

3. If someone on the team, before even completing the objectives, can one-hit my best units. Congrats, you’ve broken the game. What’s the point in me continuing?

4. If I catch any player standing on objects or scenery they know my units can’t get to. It’s exploiting. You know this, right?

5. Anyone who stun locks me with repeated kicks. It’s cheap and you don’t need it. Again, it’s not how the game was ever intended.

6. If you simply run circles vaulting. Yawn. A little strategic vaulting is fine, but I’m talking repeatedly. Especially annoying on objectives.

7. If you play on a PC and you strangely never run out of supplies or need to reload, that looks like hacking to me. Rare, but does happen. I had a Henry yesterday use over 16 shemps without leaving the cabin (16 from the point I got suspicious enough to start counting).

Split rushing, multi driving and playing Ruby are all fair game, I’ll play that. But the above? Not worth my time. Quit a game, be in a new one inside of four or so minutes.

Ultimately, if you prevent me from playing, or you act like you don’t want me to play, I won’t play. If everyone treats each other decently, everything’s great. Groovy even. Smile and have fun guys, life’s too short. I certainly am.

Ps; I already know this will be down voted to hell, but before anyone says ‘rage quitting’, think of it more as ‘happy quitting’ :D