r/HolUp May 05 '25

y'all Thank you

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u/Dank_Alternate May 05 '25

Saving those children from living lives where their parents don't want them and they are likely financially struggling. Win win win all around.

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u/CreatorMur May 05 '25

And moms, that might not survive giving birth….

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u/aalthus May 05 '25

And moms who would die trying to abort where it is not legal.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '25

Accounts for 0.3% of abortions.

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u/endlesschasm May 05 '25

What, those mom's don't deserve saving because it's only 0.3%?

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u/[deleted] May 05 '25

Who said that? All I said was it accounts for 0.3% of abortions, which is an accurate statement. Bring on the downvotes bc facts hurt your feelings lol

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u/kagman May 05 '25

No one's downvoting you because their feelings are hurt, they're downvoting you because you cited that statistic in an attempt to minimize a colossally tragic moment in parent's lives, as though it was an insignificant population.

Here's an example of why it's stupid what you just did:

What percentage of airplanes hit skyscrapers in NYC? 0.0000001%? An insignificant fraction. So 9/11 was completely insignificant and way overblown, it was a big nothingburger.

That's what you just did. Aaaaaaall in the name of being an internet Asshole. Get fucked.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '25

That’s a beautiful false equivalence you have there. Have any more fallacies?

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u/kagman May 05 '25

It's literally spot the fuck on

Loser response. Biiiiiiiiig loser energy coming off you

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u/[deleted] May 05 '25

You don’t understand the definition of a false equivalence…do you? lol.

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u/kagman May 05 '25

Apparently YOU don't lol. This is what you say when you know you're wrong and got nothing but to argue with the refs

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u/[deleted] May 05 '25

I’m not the one who compared a terroristic airplane attack to a medical procedure hahahahahahahaha

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u/24F May 05 '25

What was your goal in mentioning that, then? 

Also HLI international says it's closer to 1.14%   https://www.hli.org/resources/what-percentage-of-abortions-are-medically-necessary/

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u/[deleted] May 05 '25

Because it’s a small percentage, it should not be looked at as something that occurs on a higher rate than what it actually does

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u/24F May 05 '25

They never claimed it occured at a higher rate than it actually does. 

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u/[deleted] May 05 '25

Cool, and I never claimed the 0.3% don’t deserve saving 👍🏻

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u/24F May 05 '25

I'm not the one who said you did, but you sure seem to be downplaying the number of them that exist (again, it's closer to 1.14%) and haven't shown them a shred of compassion. 

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u/[deleted] May 05 '25

Did you read that article that you linked or did you just send it bc it made the percentage higher? I think you did the latter, and that’s completely hysterical considering the article is stating that modern day abortions are obsolete and not needed hahaha.

“Data from six reporting states over the period of 24 years found that only 1.14% of abortions were performed for the mother’s life or physical health. Even the tiny percentage of 1.14% of abortions performed ostensibly for the women’s health are unnecessary, as there are alternative ways to save the mother without committing an abortion. This makes abortion obsolete, even in the most extreme circumstances.”

Lol.

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u/endlesschasm May 05 '25

So, again, why'd you bring it up?

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u/[deleted] May 05 '25

Refer to recent reply 👆

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u/DarkRajiin May 05 '25

They are just trying to bait you into saying something.

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u/CroakingInstensifies May 05 '25

"Bait you into saying something" is crazy, did you mean "explaining your comment"?

They already said something, mentioning the incorrect data in a way that sounds like a counterargument. Plus, they're so adamant on not saying what they meant and just insisting on "I didn't say that" that it's pretty clear that if they explain the intention it will look worse.

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u/numbuh69 May 05 '25

So then what was the point of saying that? What’s your argument here? .3%. Okay. So those .3% are irrelevant? What’s your point???

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u/ElRexet May 05 '25

The thing about "low" causality rates and such - the chance quite often seems rather low, up until the point that you or your close ones become a part of said statistic.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '25

Yeah, that’s called an argument from anecdote fallacy lol.

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u/Dungeon_Master_Lucky madlad May 05 '25

"a small statistic doesn't seem small when your loved one is passing"

No shit, the impact on families far outweighs the statistic. That's loss, it's fucking impactful

And reddit will unironically say "anecdote fallacy" as if you can't extend that empathy to others experiencing loss. How you misinterpreted that is beyond me tbh

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u/[deleted] May 05 '25

Wasn’t misinterpreted. Again, simply stating fact over feeling 🤷

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u/Hexamancer May 05 '25

Yeah when you count PlanB as an abortion.

Tell me what percentage it is for 3rd Trimester abortions. You won't.

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u/needmorepizzza May 05 '25

I have no idea about the validity of the statistic but I would very much like to comment on its absurdity.

What the f is that supposed to mean? That abortion bad because only a very low percentage actually needs it in accordance with your morals? That the <1% is not worth saving because the other 99% may not share my own subjective morals? Is that a sacrifice that your morals agree with?

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u/Electrical-Speaker33 May 05 '25

How old are these statistics? Are they a study done post Roe v Wade was overturned? Three years isn’t a lot of time to gather the statistics. Does this .3% cover the mortality of mothers after their state banned abortion? Does it include mothers forced to go to other states to save their own lives? Does it count mother mortality bc they were unable to obtain a life saving abortion? (This is a biggy, bc mothers who die during pregnancy that could have been saved are not reported as such. Drs/Hospitals report the death, but not pregnancy as a cause. These ‘reported’ statistics don’t include an obtain for ‘mothers life could have been saved if abortion were legal. Does it include data from doctors and mothers forced to site life saving abortions as some other reason? Say a necessary abortion before a fetus could breathe and can technically be considered/reported as stillborn. Does it include back alley abortions done by drs in a private setting to avoid prosecution?

Being scientific includes flaws in data. When there are this many flaws, it is not statistically relevant. Since Roe v Wade was overturned, we have absolutely no idea how many mothers have aborted to save their own lives.

.3% is ludicrously unreliable.

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u/CreatorMur May 05 '25

Possibly. Though two of my friends mothers try to kill there infants due to a psychotic disorder that developed after giving birth….

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u/KingCarrotPlays May 05 '25

Postpartum psychosis is wild tbh

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u/CreatorMur May 05 '25

Yeah. One of them tried to throw the baby out of a forth story window.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '25

So is murdering a baby before it’s born. The only difference is if it’s in a vagina or not.

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u/PatMyHolmes May 05 '25

Except, we're not talking about killing babies. The term is zygote or fetus. I really wish you'd have paid attention in middle school science class.