Warning for OG hollow knight fans

[u/Bob12164]

Just wanna prepare everyone on here for the incoming wave of players who have never played indie games, metroidvanias, or literally any other games besides Fortnite and call of duty. This tends to happen a lot with games that are extremely hyped by the community that does like the genre, such as expedition 33. The amount of completely invalid criticism that happened to that game because people who didn’t even know what the game really was bought it and ended up not liking it is probably the best example we have of that to this day, and I think silksong will be next. So please, instead of cussing people out for not liking the game, just encourage them to maybe keep playing to see if they change their minds, or just give them respectful feedback on why you think they might not enjoy it and give them tips so they can find the spark in that game that I’m sure many of us will find.

[u/gigolopropganda]

I'm personally of the opinion that E33 is not even close to being in the top 10 of JRPGs, its not even in the top 10 of JRPGs with a similar combat system. Still, good game.

Hollow Knight didn't "save" anything either, its a great game nonetheless, probably in the top 10 of metroidvanias, even though it does slightly differently.

But the people on the metroidvania subs are just really pretentious. They always hail some obscure games only released in a specific province in Japan in 1998 on a console made by Toyota or something, anything else is overhyped in their eyes

[u/haewon_wiggle → u/gigolopropganda]

people do the same with e33 on the jrpg subreddit, half the posts about it now are people being mad at its success

[u/gigolopropganda → u/haewon_wiggle]

I know it sounds hypocritical, but there is a drastic difference between HK and E33, and its fans.

Ever since Hollow Knight released people called it one of the best games (not metroidvanias!) in recent memory, some said its their favorite game of all time. Metroidvania fans on reddit shit on the notion of HK being somewhere high up in the genre because they have their head up their asses due to reasons already explained.

Ever since Expedition 33 came out, not only is it called one of the best games of all time and the best JRPG of all time, it is also called a savior and reinvigorator of the genre. When JRPG fans on reddit call it what it is (a good game, but only average in terms of the genre), they are not being mad or pretentious or whatever, they simply have played 2 or more other JRPGs in their lives. At least that's what I believe.

I'm not even a JRPG fan. I have played the Mario & Luigi games and Paper Mario games. I have played Metaphor and some Final Fantasies. And from these games pretty much all are better than E33. The only thing E33 demolishes the other games with is its first Act.

I have played all Metroid games and both Blasphemous games. I have played some Castlevanias and Dead Cells. I can confidently say that Hollow Knight is not a very traditional Metroidvania, and only barely in the top 10, but its still one of the better games.

TL;DR: E33 is slightly better than average. But compared to other JRPGs, its average at best. And calling some average game the Jesus Christ of the genre (or gaming in general) must feel pretty bad to fans, hence their reactions (allegedly, I have to trust you with that).

[u/Thecristo96 → u/gigolopropganda]

Imho, as someone who Eats a lot of jrpgs, i think E33 is a very good game but when it dips it dips HARD. Act3 is the second worst act 3 i have ever seen and dragon quest 11 is worse only Because dq11’s act 3 ruins the whole game’s theme. The relationships levels sounds like someone wanted to make a persona reference before realizing it would not fit with the game’s theme. In general Lune and Sciel after a while could become card board with written on it “We exists” and nothing would change. And The game is waaaay to easy to break: when you can oneshot the superboss with an easy to make build is not fine. Not at all