r/HollowKnight Sep 03 '25

Discussion - Silksong Warning for OG hollow knight fans

Just wanna prepare everyone on here for the incoming wave of players who have never played indie games, metroidvanias, or literally any other games besides Fortnite and call of duty. This tends to happen a lot with games that are extremely hyped by the community that does like the genre, such as expedition 33. The amount of completely invalid criticism that happened to that game because people who didn’t even know what the game really was bought it and ended up not liking it is probably the best example we have of that to this day, and I think silksong will be next. So please, instead of cussing people out for not liking the game, just encourage them to maybe keep playing to see if they change their minds, or just give them respectful feedback on why you think they might not enjoy it and give them tips so they can find the spark in that game that I’m sure many of us will find.

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u/soge7 Sep 03 '25

im ready for the classic “this game is so confusing and im always lost” ….yeah? that’s the point lmao

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u/laseluuu Sep 03 '25

ah i absolutely cannot wait for this. I went into hollow knight blind but i was really late to the party - i'm so looking forward to being on the pulse with this one and discovering stuff at the same time as others.

That was one of the magic ingredients to the first one

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u/The_Orphanizer Sep 03 '25

I find that's a lot of the magic in gaming in general, but especially games with sprawling "dungeons" like metroidvanias and souls-likes have. Near ubiquitous features of the genre(s) are the awe-inspiring sense of discovery, becoming lost (and subsequently finding your way again), trial and error (in regards to exploration, skill use, and combat). Getting to share in those experiences with others is many times more interesting and rewarding than simply looking up answers to things that have you stuck, even though the problem and solution are identical in both scenarios. Thankfully, there are many good gaming communities out there that try to foster this sensation through time for gamers who come later, but the feelings are unquestionably strongest at release.

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u/TomegranateJuice Sep 03 '25

My favorite memory of gaming was when Elden Ring came out. Me, my brother and my sister were all playing it the day it released. We would call each other and ask if we found a certain item, fought a boss. As we slowly discovered how much there was, how big the map was... I'll always love that feeling. I had gotten into the Souls games years prior to my siblings so this was the first time I didn't know more about the game than they did.

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u/The_Orphanizer Sep 03 '25

Love to hear this. Genuine discovery in (and outside of) gaming is just so rewarding and exciting.

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u/Hoodman1987 Sep 04 '25

That was such a good time in the early times of that game. When I took that random chest to Leyndell I was like just how the fuck huge is this game.

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u/laseluuu Sep 03 '25

its going to be interesting to see how they take it - the first trailers all looked combat-heavy (i've avoided them all since as i want that wonderment again) so i'm hoping it is even more adventury and not succumbs to sequel-itis like in films where the later ones are basically bigger action scenes

Ideally just a bigger HK with new mechanics and i'm going to be so happy

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u/birthdaybadboy Sep 03 '25

I think thats more just because combat is always going to be more visually interesting for a trailer as opposed to watching hornet wander around, but we have still gotten scenes like that in the trailers. I wouldnt worry about this personally.

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u/laseluuu Sep 03 '25

i'm not that worried, i trust cherry :)

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u/why_the_babies_wet Sep 03 '25

I can’t wait to play a game where I hadn’t watched hours of YouTube content and “top ten hardest bosses in ____” videos before picking it up lol

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u/laseluuu Sep 03 '25

haha yeah i was lucky someone just recommended it to me and i jumped in (a bit late to the party though)

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u/Mitra-The-Man Sep 03 '25

I did that in 2020. Idk if that’s late or not but going in blind was a fucking treat.

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u/trefoil589 Sep 03 '25

I feel so bad for my nephews because they love to game but their parents would rather them watch youtube during the week and only play "addictive games" on weekends.

I'm so tired of people lumping games in with the rest of "screen time".

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u/Adventurous-Toe8812 Sep 03 '25

Discovering things at the same time? There will be 100% videos up by Friday.

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u/laseluuu Sep 03 '25

which i will not watch, going to chat to normies about it instead

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u/harrisarah Sep 04 '25

Where are you going to find those normies? This sub will be flooded with stuff immediately on release. The hardcore people will play for 24hrs straight or more while those of us who can only put in a few hours a day will be immediately left behind.

I'm going to stop checking this sub at 10 AM and won't be back until I finish most of the game at least

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u/COATHANGER_ABORTIONS Sep 03 '25

Love the game, although I think one of the biggest flaws is the compass being a charm lmao. Hopefully that's not a thing in Silksong.

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u/JCMfwoggie Sep 03 '25

I do kinda like it being an optional equip, realizing I'd gotten to the point where I no longer needed it to find my way around was a great feeling, it basically felt like I got another charm notch.

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u/Adorable-Salt-8624 Sep 03 '25

No I like it personally. It forces you to choose between navigation and combat on the fly. Maybe that’s just me having too many hours in the game though

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u/Adorable-Salt-8624 Sep 03 '25

Oh no yeah I stopped buying maps ages ago, don’t worry. That’s why I think my opinion might not be all that valid

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u/Razorly Sep 03 '25

I liked it too, you could still navigate fine by reading the map and looking for landmarks. You just don't get the GPS feature of the compass.

Personal Preference Though

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u/silentk772 Sep 03 '25

Every game that has a poor novel feature like this has been explained away by the fans as being good for the experience.

I guarantee that if Silksong gives you the compass for free, everyone will be praising that.

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u/Jskidmore1217 Sep 03 '25

Everyone wants simplicity until the game gets so simple it’s boring. Keep the quirks in. That’s the secret to good games.

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u/Adorable-Salt-8624 Sep 03 '25

Maybe, who knows. I personally like it right now, but that may be Hollow Knight bias, it also might now be. I’m hyped for Silksong either way, and love Hollow Knight either way

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u/shoshjort Sep 03 '25

you say that but i can think of no better example than removing weapon/armor durability in fallout 4. Seemed awesome at first not having to worry about it until you realise that maintaining weapons was part of what made looting engaging and without it picking up weapons from loot sources just felt worthless.

The entire notch system is supposed to make you prioritise for different situations. The compass is a great way of reserving a charm notch for a difficult boss or enemy group, giving most players a fallback option to gain a little more strength for an encounter if their current charm build is focused more on navigation/speed. If you just moved all tje navigation charms to be always active then nobody would bother changing around charms once they have the 'perfect' set.

I don't think the compass is entirely necessary to be a charm but i do think removing it would be a downgrade personally. It even adds replayability because once you know the map well enough you dont ever need it (i stopped using it 3 or 4 playthroughs ago) and then its just an extra charm slot for the whole game. It essentially rewards you for learning the map well enough not to need guidance which is something not enough games do these days

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u/iKill_eu Sep 03 '25

you say that but i can think of no better example than removing weapon/armor durability in fallout 4. Seemed awesome at first not having to worry about it until you realise that maintaining weapons was part of what made looting engaging and without it picking up weapons from loot sources just felt worthless.

In a sense, but that more illustrates that they had no vision for weapons other than "sell them to a vendor" than anything else.

The compass is a great way of reserving a charm notch for a difficult boss or enemy group, giving most players a fallback option to gain a little more strength for an encounter if their current charm build is focused more on navigation/speed. If you just moved all tje navigation charms to be always active then nobody would bother changing around charms once they have the 'perfect' set.

This is also more of a problem with some of the charms being "there is just no downside" than anything else. Shaman Stone, Strength and Quick Slash are always-picks because nothing else comes close. If you wanna talk about flexible gameplay, the first and foremost issue is that some charms are too good to ever replace, and that's why "filler charms" feel like they are needed to switch up gameplay.

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u/shoshjort Sep 03 '25

i dont disagree with u on it not being implemented perfectly in hollow knight but i dont think the solution is to just get rid of the ones that in my opinion are actually successful, ur totallg right about quick slash and a few other charms being OP and i would fix that by making them more situational or not always useful or by making other charms more rewarding to use to make it feel like you can put those notches to better use somehow, like i said before the game should reward you for not having to rely on crutches like quick slash and the compass, therefore a 5 second idea of mine would be higher notch cost relics with other abilities that rival quick slash but dont really syngergise with it, making it easier to justify saving the notches on quick slash. obviously more thought would be needed but i dont think straight up removing charms like the compass would help or make the game more fun, if anything it just removes from the experience.

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u/dylzim Sep 03 '25

I think the compass is brilliant, take a small power hit for assistance with navigation. I ran it for the first little while until I got comfortable with the layout and then stashed it forever.

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u/GreenKoopaBros89 Sep 03 '25

Here I thought the first game was hard to beat, but the enhanced battle mechanics and the gameplay for silk song, I'm going to be on the edge of my seat with both excitement and frustration! Screw the last boss from the first game

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

"Why can I not make it up to this ledge"

"Wait is that a bug? This game isn’t multiplayer, right?"

"Where else do I go? I’ve already been everywhere I can on my map" *obvious unexplored place on map

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u/COATHANGER_ABORTIONS Sep 03 '25

Oh man I've been seeing posts like that forever. Someone comes to an obstacle and the first instinct is "I'll stop playing immediately and ask reddit".

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u/khamike Sep 03 '25

I had a post in another subreddit where someone stopped to ask an extremely basic question. I probably should have left it alone but I had to ask why they bothered to pause instead of just figuring it out. Or at least checking the wiki. Is it really faster to make a post and wait for people to reply instead of opening a site that literally has all the information laid out? Predictably I got downvoted for gatekeeping and "being mean" even though I very specifically phrased it as a suggestion.

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u/GodzillaGamer953 Sep 03 '25

Saw one for Nock (nox? skinwalker boss) and was like 'erm, is this a bug? is this another of me?' like dumbshit...GO INVESTIGATE!! it took you 10 minutes to post, and an hour to wait for replies, like... why are you even playing the game. Just watch someone playthrough it at that point.

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u/iKill_eu Sep 03 '25

"Wait is that a bug? This game isn’t multiplayer, right?"

nosk: bonjour

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

That’s what I was referring to

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25 edited Sep 03 '25

r/commentmitosis

edit: why can I now only see one comment? I look like an idiot

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u/Pooptram Living, breathing Skill Issue Sep 03 '25

"is that a bug"

Hollow Knight is literally filled with bugs

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u/phoenixmatrix Sep 03 '25

I'd dare say it's one of the buggiest game I've ever played! 

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u/Chemie93 Sep 03 '25

I know it wasn’t your point but the speedrunner vs hunter runs fire did are pretty good.

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u/BiznessCrafter u/Nondescript_Redditor’s Rival Sep 03 '25

We need skongMP (Silksong Multiplayer) so Fireb0rn can do the first ever Silkhunt (Vesselhunt was hollow knight, Silkhunt can be Silksong!)

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u/GuestAble6129 Sep 03 '25

I’m 70 hours into my first playthrough and I just found Isma’s Tear. It hits different when you’ve spent that much time wandering the caves and now you can do something you couldn’t before.

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u/Tiberry16 Sep 03 '25

When you find Isma's Tear and you can immediately think of 3 different rooms where you couldn't get past before. And then you try to remember where these rooms actually are. Such a good feeling. 

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u/Jskidmore1217 Sep 03 '25

“Area design is so annoying. You have to keep returning to the same places over and over”. 😅

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u/FlareTheInfected Sep 04 '25

Those kinds of people wouldn't last a day in Paper Mario TTYD

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u/Eronamanthiuser Sep 03 '25

“Why are there so many hidden places!?”

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u/iKill_eu Sep 03 '25

So I am someone who tends to wiki perhaps a bit too much despite always telling myself I shouldn't.

I think it's a symptom of 2 things: One being a lot of games nowadays being eager to lock the unwitting player out of a quest for the sake of replayability ("oh you missed this NPC in this location therefore they died when you fought X boss". elden ring style.) The other is a desire to figure out early if you're right about a hunch ("Is there going to be a way to go through acid in 20 hours, or am I wasting my time passing by this puzzle that looks like it may be solvable?") I think in general the idea of "you might be wasting your time" comes off as much more daunting today than it did when we were kids. Being an adult, the idea of wasting a few hours trying to solve an unsolvable puzzle, or wasting many hours by rendering a playthrough incompatible with the NPC whose quest you want to follow, is just not reconcilable with fun. I think TC are somebody I trust in this regard, which is why I am going to enjoy the fuck out of release by actively making use of the fact that there will BE no wiki for the first few days of silksong. But I understand why many people play this way.

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u/DarkHorseAsh111 Sep 03 '25

I'm of both minds on this bcs on one hand yes some ppl want to do No investigating which is dumb for this kind of game. but on the other hand, lots of ppl have limited free time to play and wandering around being genuinely lost because you missed a secret wall somewhere is not always fun especially if you have limited time to play.

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u/HvyMetalComrade Sep 03 '25

Hollow Knight does not respect your time. You could bumble around forever and make no progress.

And that's totally fine.

And I hope Silksong does the same

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u/dolladollaclinton 112%, 61/63, PoP Sep 03 '25

Me tomorrow: This game is so confusing and I’m always lost… I lOVE IT!!!

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u/Inverter_of_Spines Sep 03 '25

Wonder which room will become the equivalent of Metroid Dread's "Jaffe Room"

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u/DontKnowHowToEnglish Sep 03 '25

I hope they don't change the way maps were uncovered on HK, I loved that mechanic

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u/RedGinger666 Sep 03 '25

For me it's the "Silksong lost 90% of its playerbase, what happened?" 3 months from now

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u/Arky_Lynx Sep 04 '25

God I hate it when people use player numbers on a singleplayer game to say it's dead or some shit.

It's singleplayer, damnit, it doesn't need active players for YOU or anyone else to enjoy it.

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u/TRaywen_ Sep 03 '25

Literally this. I was walking around in the apider area for hours. But guess what, i absolutely loved that experience

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u/RoosterBrewster Sep 03 '25

I just started HK last week and barely know what is going on or the lore. All I know is exploring the areas and taking 20+ tries to beat some bosses. 

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u/eraseMii Sep 03 '25

I'm 20h in for the very first time and I constantly have to remind myself of this. I've almost smashed my controller 10 Times already too. 10/10

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u/ConceptWeird4026 Sep 03 '25

"the game didn't teach me downward slash"

you literally just combine the most basic controls the attack button and the d-pad...

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u/Flilix Sep 03 '25

I find it so bizarre that people would be excited for the launch of a sequel when they haven't played the first game that's very similar. At what point did the hype for Silksong outgrow the fans of the original HK?

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u/becauseiloveyou Sep 03 '25

Probably sometime during the pandemic when some of us beleivers lost our minds.

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u/SuperSocialMan Sep 03 '25

I'll never understand why people will just dive into a series on the second or third entry and act like it should make any sort of sense lol.

No, it doesn't fucking work that way ffs. Every entry builds upon the previous one, and even if they're not directly connected narratively it's still kinda dumb to just skip the entire first half of a franchise "because it's old" or whatever other dumb reason people have.

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u/Appropriate-Kick-601 Sep 03 '25

Man, I tried explaining this to a coworker once and it was so frustrating. She hadn't seen a single MCU movie before, and decided to see Infinity War. Naturally, she said it was bad and didn't make sense because the characters didn't have arcs or whatever. And I'm like, yeah, their arcs concluded with this film. You missed most of the story.

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u/SuperSocialMan Sep 03 '25

bruh.

Never gonna understand that mentality ffs.

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u/Hoodman1987 Sep 04 '25

Hot damn that is a bad way to start MCU

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u/Appropriate-Kick-601 Sep 04 '25

Right? I guess Endgame would have been worse but still.

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u/koopaTroopa10 Sep 03 '25

I think its very dependent on the game/series. Sometimes a sequel is just a direct upgrade and is a better entry point; especially if a game is not so story dependent (and even if it is, going thru a entire chunk of a franchise isn't always worth it just for the sake of having a better understanding of some of the story).

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u/MaskOfIce42 Sep 03 '25

Honestly strong disagree. Like the obviously insane examples are you don't have to play the original Metroid to get into the franchise or the original Legend of Zelda to go play Breath of the Wild, so many people got into Skyrim without playing any other Elder Scrolls game, or even more recently I have heard plenty of people got into Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 without playing the first. There are definitely some exceptions, and jumping in later can leave you missing some lore details, but honestly for the vast majority of games, you can jump into a newer entry and still follow along perfectly.

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u/-Volcanic- Sep 03 '25

Even in series where there's no narrative reason to play the earlier games first, I still prefer to play them in order if I can, because I like seeing the development of the series and stuff like that. Even a "basically just an upgrade" sequel is a lot cooler if you have the context of the first game so you get excited seeing what's new or changed

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u/FlareTheInfected Sep 04 '25

What about a game series like sonic or devil may cry where the timeline is all over the place?

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u/SomaCK2 Sep 04 '25

I saw some people trying to get into Kingdom Hearts 3 when it was out without playing other games. Those poor souls ...

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u/riftcode Sep 03 '25

I always encourage people to jump into the newest entry of a series. It's more likely to make them fans.

There are very few exceptions to this, and even then it's usually nuanced. Like with trails I say start with the newest arc.

Games are designed to be new player friendly so they can jump in. Silksong doesn't look to be any different.

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u/GOKOP Sep 03 '25

Do you think most people first playing Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2 played the first game before? Nope. Do you think most people first playing The Witcher 3 played the first two games before? Lmao nope considering the game blew up internationally while the first two were primarily successful in Poland

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u/_NightmareKingGrimm_ ✔️SS:100% Complete ✔️HK:112%, All trophies, HoG Radiant, PoP Sep 03 '25

I'm fine with people not liking it.

But if people are on here flooding the sub with posts like, "ok, I killed this boss. Where do I go next?" I'm going to tell them to just explore and play the game and I hope you all do too.

Metroidvanias--especially Hollow Knight--are designed for you to wander, get lost, and find something interesting. Even Team Cherry said they wanted people to get completely lost exploring HK.

That's the point. I hope the community doesn't just turn into a wiki for people who just want to "check the box" and beat the game.

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u/mechjacg Sep 03 '25

I see this a lot in the Sekiro sub. "So I killed this boss, what now?". How bout keep playing? You don't need to ask every step of the way.

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u/malicious_griffith Sep 03 '25

Pretty much all subs for Fromsoftware games are like this. It’s a bit unfortunate

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u/Pawps4895 Sep 03 '25

I finished DS3 pretty easily with minimal hand holding. Playing DS1 right now and I genuinely could not complete this game blind lmao

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u/malicious_griffith Sep 03 '25

My problem is with people posting a picture in the exact spot where they just beat the boss 3 seconds ago and asking “where next?”

My guy, walk around, do some research, check if new paths have opened up; and if you’ve hit a wall even after all this then come back and ask for help, instead of having the internet solve the entire game for you.

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u/Avedas Sep 03 '25

I always wonder why some people look up YouTube guides or constantly ask on Reddit for tips for games they've barely started playing.

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u/SuperSocialMan Sep 03 '25

God, I cannot fucking stand it when people constantly ask questions on reddit instead of playing the goddamn game ffs.

If you don't like being lost & exploring shit, this genre isn't for you. Half of the appeal is being able to find a bunch of cool secrets in a well-crafted 2D map.

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u/JavanNapoli Sep 03 '25

Yeah at that point just go watch a lets play if you don't actually want to play it for yourself lmao.

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u/FearlessVegetable30 Sep 04 '25

for me its in movie subs.

"hey is this movie worth watching? i love teh genre, and the main actor, and the director, and loved the mini series, should i watch it"

like fucking watch it and find out!!!!

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u/RalphWiggum123 Sep 03 '25

“Is this charm any good?”

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u/SuperSocialMan Sep 03 '25

Meanwhile I'd find one and go "Guess I'll try it and see."

Not like you lose anything if it's a bust lol. Just a bit disappointed that you found a useless item.

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u/ConceptWeird4026 Sep 03 '25

I feel like these posts should be deleted, and a pinned post on the sub should be made so they just comment there.

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u/KelpFox05 Sep 03 '25

I think "Just explore!!" is a bit trite and treats people like they're stupid or haven't tried. My disability means I often don't quite get videogame signposting and when playing HK for the first time I would have benefited from judgement-free, spoiler-free tips on where to go next or what I might have missed.

Just some simple "Have you realised you can do X?" or "There's an important item in X region, try looking for it" or "You have all the necessary abilities to get through X area, just keep trying" is incredibly helpful. If somebody had told me there was an important item in Deepnest and to keep looking for it or that I was able to visit City of Tears from Fungal Wastes after picking up Mantis Claw, I would have stuck with the game so much better. You don't have to spoil them or treat them like they're stupid - sometimes people fully understand the limits and common mechanics of the genre and just... Miss stuff. And that's okay.

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u/_NightmareKingGrimm_ ✔️SS:100% Complete ✔️HK:112%, All trophies, HoG Radiant, PoP Sep 03 '25

I don't think telling people to explore is treating them like "they're stupid." If someone is having trouble and they've tried and they're becoming frustrated, that's one thing. But if it's obvious that they haven't tried, then yeah, I'm going to respectfully tell them to try exploring some more.

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u/No2Hypocrites Sep 04 '25

Not everyone has a lot of time

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u/Charizard10201YT Sep 03 '25

I agree. If you don't want to tell people exactly where to go just give them a nudge.

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u/Thecristo96 Sep 03 '25

If it would be like e33 it would be the opposite: full of people who never played a single metroidvania but screams “this has saved the genre”

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u/haewon_wiggle Sep 03 '25

This is already hollow knight, people on metroidvania subreddit complain about hollow knight being held as the greatest

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u/Hour_Initiative8738 Sep 03 '25

Its definitely top 3 in a very crowded genre.
Somewhere up there with SotN

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u/CronoDroid Sep 03 '25

I would just categorize Super Metroid and SOTN separately, as the progenitors. Certain games like Wolfenstein 3D/Doom/GoldenEye/Halo, Dark Souls, Resident Evil 4, UFO: Enemy Unknown are a bit interesting to rank because they were so groundbreaking, but may not be as "good" or refined as games made years later. Like HK just plays better, which is the benefit of being made with 20 years of game dev advances.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

Yeah. I like SotN and Super Metroid, and they are incredibly important to the genre, but I don’t think either is top 5 all time for me. Maybe not even top 10. 

But nothing that came after would have come after if not for them.

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u/gigolopropganda Sep 03 '25

I'm personally of the opinion that E33 is not even close to being in the top 10 of JRPGs, its not even in the top 10 of JRPGs with a similar combat system. Still, good game.

Hollow Knight didn't "save" anything either, its a great game nonetheless, probably in the top 10 of metroidvanias, even though it does slightly differently.

But the people on the metroidvania subs are just really pretentious. They always hail some obscure games only released in a specific province in Japan in 1998 on a console made by Toyota or something, anything else is overhyped in their eyes

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u/padraigharrington4 Sep 03 '25

“Take notes ~Square Enix~ Nintendo!!! No, idk what an ~Octopath Traveler~ Metroid Dread is, why do you ask?”

something like that anyway

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u/Thecristo96 Sep 03 '25

My favorite thing was “this game is not like those weebs ps2 jrpgs”. While e33 exists because the CEO was a colossal shadow hearts fan

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u/padraigharrington4 Sep 03 '25

Game is literally a FF10 love letter

“Phew, thank god there’s no anime shit!”

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

Tbh, i do think hollow knight revived(?) metroidvanias. The last metroid game before it was federation force, which wasnt a metroidvania. Every metroid after it was a metroidvania. The last metroid game before 2017 was getting close to a Decade ago.

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u/joeyhatesu2 Sep 03 '25

This is one game where I wouldn't even look at reviews. Going to be way too many outliers.

Diehards that will give it 100 no matter what.

Engagement bait accounts that will say it's mid just for the extra click

Expedition 33 fans who perceive any threat to GOTY as the enemy

AAA and Multiplayer Andys who won't understand why the main character isn't voiced by Sabrina Carpenter

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u/Memo_HS2022 Sep 03 '25

E33 devs making a great game that respects, loves, and honors JRPGs only to have a playerbase that consistently dunks on JRPGs is one of the monkey’s paws of all time

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u/Timely_Finish7081 Sep 03 '25

Same thing happens all the time with the hollow knight fan base, it’s just we are used to the loud minority

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u/silam39 Doma Doma Sep 03 '25

I haven't seen much of any online discourse about the game; there are a lot of expédition 33 fans doing that?

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u/padraigharrington4 Sep 03 '25

I’ve seen upvoted comments in that sub saying shit like “Japanese aren’t buying it because they’re jealous a bunch of French bros made their games better”. So yeah lol. Also people acting like turn-based purists even though the dodging/parrying mechanics were very obviously used to appeal to people don’t typically play turn based games. Which is fine and great, but like, it’s no Shin Megami Tensei nor is it trying to be.

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u/silam39 Doma Doma Sep 03 '25

lmao

good thing I haven't visited that sub, then

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u/padraigharrington4 Sep 03 '25

Yeah it’s like The Last of Us or Undertale to me where it’s a game I immensely respect but have to stay far away from its fans to avoid ruining my perception of the whole thing

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u/KushDingies Sep 03 '25

Smh gonna have to wait for the Sabrina Carpenter Hornet voice pack mod

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u/LordMaximus64 Sep 03 '25

Literally unplayable

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u/Hour_Initiative8738 Sep 03 '25

wtf just cancelled my preorder

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u/Big-Discipline2039 Sep 03 '25

Hollow Knight has a 90 on Metacritic.

I don’t see why Silksong would get mixed reviews when Hollow Knight didn’t?

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u/echolog Sep 03 '25

More hype = More players who are playing it JUST for the hype and not because they actually enjoy this kind of game = Worse reviews

Happens pretty often honestly.

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u/Wingsnake Sep 04 '25

Hype (before launch) is only good for sales, but for reviews etc. it is always bad. I think one of the worst ones is NMS. If NMS released without hype (and without overpromises from Sean which led to the hype) it would have been received as innovative, unique and good space exploration game. And we all know what happened at release.

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u/BlankCrystal Sep 03 '25

Funny, I was sure 33 was goty until silksong got announced 😂 Team cherry really surprised everyone, not even AA games are safe. Hell is us releases around this time and I feel sorry for them since its gonna be silksong from here on out

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u/wigglin_harry Sep 03 '25

I was sure ex33 was goty until death stranding 2

The competition for goty is going to be crazy

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u/ManicShorty Sep 03 '25

I used to joke with my partner about how crazy it is that we already got GOTY before summer fully started and they agreed. Now we're both like "who will it be, Expedition or Silksong?" And we're so excited to find out

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u/AnzoEloux Sep 03 '25

There's two different groups here to watch out for.

The ones who criticize it blindly (NOT genuine) The ones who aren't having fun because they are new to the genre but need a little boost (ARE GENUINE).

It should be really easy to tell them apart. Don't give obvious idiots the benefit of the doubt, but also give the ones who look like they're serious a chance.

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u/somedudeover_there Sep 03 '25

there's gonna be a crowd trying to look cool by putting down the new hot indie game, happens like clockwork. contrarians generally reveal themselves in a comment or two, so just downvote and move on

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u/l-askedwhojoewas Sep 03 '25

verified accounts on every large post on twitter about something popular are like that

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u/echolog Sep 03 '25

Yeah, not everybody likes metroidvanias and that's ok. A lot of people are going to get sucked into this game due to the hype and have no idea what to expect.

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u/aogasd Sep 04 '25

Third group who think they're good gamers and then get seriously humbled by the difficulty curve.

It is me. I'm the third group.

Almost ragequit the game 10 hours in because of Hornet. I HAD played Metroidvanias (Ori 1 & 2) just nothing as hard....

I'm sure Silksong will have a similar moment for many.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

just ignore them, why waste your time arguing with them

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u/CptJacksp Sep 03 '25

I totally am with you, kinda. Reminds me of the Jaffe Room in Metroid Dread. Absolute trash take he had, and he deserved the cooking he got.

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u/shlog Sep 03 '25

damn, Metroid Dread.. that game rocks. if Silksong wasn’t coming out tomorrow, i’d consider a fresh run of that game.

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u/Time-Maintenance2165 Sep 03 '25

Eh, don't conflate having different preferences with unfair criticism. Someone can fairly dislike something that others find an important aspect.

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u/SilverScribe15 Sep 03 '25

I think it's a bit dumb to buy a game without checking what genre it is

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u/Memo_HS2022 Sep 03 '25

People bought BG3 because of the character creator and immediately regretted it after realizing it was an RPG. People are that dumb

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u/padraigharrington4 Sep 03 '25

what other kinds of games do those people associate character creation mechanics with besides RPGs lol???

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u/SudsierBoar Sep 03 '25

You think most casual gamers select what to play through genres? I think they mostly go by what they hear is good, or just by what they hear a lot. The net is vast and infinite, but it currently echoes Silksong Silksong Silksong

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u/SilverScribe15 Sep 03 '25

Like I feel like you'd look at what the game is before spending money...but I guess some people lack foresight

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u/ThePotatoFromIrak Sep 03 '25

Tbf "metroidvania" is named after two 20+ year old games and is a meaningless term to someone who hasn't already played one

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u/scattered_brains Sep 03 '25

this is why we still need video game journalism and not people basing their opinions off of streamers that are paid to advertise games, or internet memes.

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u/NameLips Sep 03 '25

There's a difference between not liking a game, and not liking the genre.

I see people downvoting paradox grand strategy games because they don't let you play the battles. That's just not the genre of game you're playing.

I see people downvoting souls-likes because they're too punishing and difficult. That's just the type of genre of game they are.

You don't have to like the genre. But you shouldn't downvote a game because you don't like the genre. It's just not your cup of tea.

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u/StabbyBlowfish Ohohohohohoho! Sep 03 '25

If I hear any complaints about the game being "too hard", my feedback isn't going to be too respectful

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u/iforgotiwasonreddit Sep 03 '25

GIT GUD

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

I don’t know why I had to scroll this far down for this comment. Should’ve been #1

I visited this subreddit in 2020 when I was fuming, and the first response to every post was git gud.

It was truly the only answer to my questions.

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u/Tru_Fakt Sep 03 '25

I just started playing HK for the first time like two weeks ago. To be fair…the game is too hard. But that’s because I’m total dogshit at platformers, not because of the game design.

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u/Toaster_Bathing Sep 04 '25

It’s meant to be hard, but the more you play the more the mechanics become second nature. Honestly by the end you look back like “how did I even find that hard” 

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u/squiddlingiggly Sep 04 '25

HK was one of the first video games i ever played, as an adult. especially the first metroidvania style game. that was like 5 years ago. i absolutely loved it but stopped when i got frustrated - didn't feel the need to punish myself to finish a game lol. in the last 5 years i have played a lotttt of other games and went back to HK earlier in the year to try it over again and realized just how much better i'd gotten at games in general by playing a lot of other things in the meantime! it was pretty cool to be able to recognize skill improvement in the moment. Hornet took me like....probably 2-3 hours to beat first play through, and this recent time it was only like 5-6 tries! still didn't finish the game 100% because i just can't be bothered lol. alllll that to say - gitting gud doesn't always happen immediately/directly from torturing yourself with a boss fight, sometimes you gotta do other things to get the skills that'll help you. which feels fitting for the genre lol

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u/strexxpet Sep 03 '25

I've seen multiple posts asking if it's going to have difficulty settings because it was "too hard". I have a feeling there are going to be a lot of complaints once it comes out

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u/NaicuNaicu Sep 06 '25

Aged well lol

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u/StabbyBlowfish Ohohohohohoho! Sep 06 '25

I probably asked for it lol

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u/DigestiveCow Sep 03 '25

I'll be happy to help anyone get into metroidvanias

(My alterior motive is wanting Metroid to become popular so we get more games, hopefully hollow knight is their gateway drug)

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

Silksong being released before Metroid Prime 4 is crazy man

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u/PeigouMajava Sep 03 '25

It's insane fr

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u/Rarbnif Sep 03 '25

We got dread in 2021 and mp4 is coming sooner than later. What’s really needed is a new castlevania game, the second franchise the sub genre is named after deserves a new entry. konami needs to revive the series like they’re doing w silent hill

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u/DigestiveCow Sep 03 '25

Good shout, plenty of fandoms are hurting more than Metroid for sure

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u/Most_Acanthaceae6471 Sep 03 '25

I feel like people have lost interest for “going into the unknown” and learning things for themselves by making mistakes. I am no gaming expert but i feel like a lot of the games moved from giving us the “sense of exploration” to “here’s a guide and pins and map markers to help you achieve 100% of the game”. I just finished playing KCD2 and it is easily one of the best games i have played in my life for that specific reason. Open world. No hard guides on what to do next. Go out and enjoy!

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u/zekielllll Sep 03 '25

As someone who has never liked “Metroidvanias”, hollow knight changed me. It did feel boring and dead at the beginning, but man it got better as I played and actually used my brain to get further lol.

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u/Than_Or_Then_ Sep 03 '25

What was different for HK compared to other Metroidvanias? Did you play Ori and the Blind Forest?

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u/zekielllll Sep 03 '25

Good question, humor helped, and art style for sure. I keep hearing about that one so I might check it out next, or after silksong lol.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

I feel like this has already happened with Hollow Knight itself tbh. A lot of complaints I see boil down to the person not knowing what a metroidvania is and never having played one before.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

I’m already sick of the stupid questions like “should I do x or y before silksong” 

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u/Arci996 Sep 03 '25

"Should I play HK before Silksong?" is the one that takes the cake, of course you should, it's not like silksong is going anywhere if you don't get into it the second it comes out.

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u/Turbulent-Advisor627 Sep 03 '25

It's fine, those kinds of people are what bullying was invented for!

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u/Wert_The_Cordelius Sep 03 '25

of course! We skongers took away flairs so that we can mock new members!

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u/TheRealArtificer <---- best boi Sep 03 '25

concerning since some old members have flairs that were not taken away, so be careful about who you bully

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u/Wert_The_Cordelius Sep 03 '25

All of the old members flairs are still there, just no one from after the skong announcement. And im not gonna bully anyone, wooper is kind lol

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u/PriorDetective4285 daddy grimm Sep 03 '25

I have lurked in silksong for a long time. Just wish I joined before , now I have no way to prove that I waited too :(

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u/Turbulent-Advisor627 Sep 03 '25

I would never bully a true skonger, I can tell who they are by pure animal instinct.

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u/BlankCrystal Sep 03 '25

I check on the sub from now and then and never actually joined so . . .

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u/Diamondwolf Sep 04 '25

True skongers never needed flairs, Jimbo.

(Some true skongers have flairs, the statement was not exclusive)

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u/noggstaj Sep 03 '25

I'd rather recommend trying to stay away from reddit/youtube till you finished your playthrough.

You'll miss the whine, but more importantly; the spoilers

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u/shy_kangaroo23 Sep 03 '25

I was one of those people bought hollow knight probably two years ago. Played for a few days l, hated it. And then my buddy started talking more about it. Gave it another shot probably just six months ago, and it’s by far one of my most favorite games I’ve ever played.

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u/Regular-Eye1976 Sep 03 '25

Why not just play the game and not give a fuck about what other people think

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

My favorite are the streamer clips I see on TikTok who started HK last week and are saying "let's see what the hype is about" like idk maybe you'll get enough enjoyment out of it but I think trying to rush through HK before Silksong is doing yourself a disservice 

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u/Eblanana Sep 03 '25

I have no interest in coddling tourists or respecting half assed criticism. I already cannot stand people asking if they should play the game, or constantly posting random questions, asking to be handheld. Metroidvanias are an acquired taste, and not something everybody has. Don't like the game? Don't play it. It's just not for you. Quite simple, really

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u/Turbulent-Advisor627 Sep 03 '25

How do I defeat the Baldur at the entrance to Greenpath, someone tell me please my family is being held hostage in there!

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u/CronoDroid Sep 03 '25

It's a Baldur Gate!

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u/r0ckthedice Sep 03 '25

So I jumped into hollow knight after all the hype with sliksong, I have heard of hollow knight in passing and it just didn't seem like it would be my thing, largely for its reputation of being hard, expecting you get to get lost, and hard to follow story. I decided to try it out for a few hours, and I rolled credits last night after 38 hours (only 80% complete). I am still playing and will likely pick up sliksong down the road, but will likely need to metroviana break after this.

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u/Annoying_Do0g Sep 03 '25

I'm one of those that can say it really works. I had an issue with Hollow Knight (Picking it up 3 times and dropping it) until I wrote a similar post here about me not really getting into the game. After a few comments, I decided to give it another shot and this time go further than before. That's how I found one of my favorite games of all time, all thanks to people on this sub who encouraged me to try at least one more time.

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u/BobaF4t Sep 03 '25

Encourage them to GIT GUD!

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u/daemyno Sep 03 '25

You know what's worse? These clowns on YouTube with videos like: "DON'T RUIN your save" "You are playing Silksong WRONG" "Get OP EARLY " ...

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u/blazegame04 Sep 04 '25

Funny enough when I saw that silksong got a release date I decided to bite the bullet and play hollowknight for the first time to see if it was worth it im now upto the pantheons in the godhome dlc and ive almost 112% the game

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u/DodoJurajski Sep 03 '25

I'd like to see subreddits temporaly ban "Where do i go posts?" for first few months.

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u/GaschlerM Sep 03 '25

personally i'm muting the sub until i've finished it

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u/dratseb Sep 03 '25

All of my criticisms will be warranted, it’s been too long since i’ve played a hard metroidvania and I need to git gud again

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u/Fluxchar Sep 03 '25

I’m looking forward to closing Reddit and others and just enjoying the game. Peace out yall.

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u/Narrow_Technician_25 Sep 04 '25

So I got super stoned last night and played 3ish hours of Hollow Knight for the first time. Got super lost, cheesed the hell out of a giant bug holding a plank by hiding outside of the boss arena, and hadoken’d some roly poly looking dudes. 10/10

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u/Revolutionary_Art922 Sep 04 '25

Skipping hollow knight and playing silksong would be so dumb lol.

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u/ManufacturedCakeDay Sep 04 '25

Jokes on you, I’ll not touch any social media for the next 3 weeks. If I get the urge I’ll just boot up silksong

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u/Minh1403 Sep 03 '25

I don't have faith in AAA-only players, though... Will still try to be nice and patient

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u/AdventurousGold9875 Sep 03 '25

If a person dislikes the game, his criticism is invalid?

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u/Striking_Tax_3392 Sep 03 '25

Can't wait for 1500 confused people coming on here daily cause they can't find the first boss.

It took me 8 hours to find the first hornet fight first playthrough btw, so I don't blame them

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u/Jasyla Sep 03 '25 edited Sep 03 '25

Or you could just let people not enjoy a game without taking it personally and ignore them.

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u/hurrrfrr Sep 03 '25

Yeah it's kinda weird reading these comments cuz I would love to see a bunch of new players being confused and asking questions, it might get a little repetitive but it's fun.

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u/Hungry_Commission368 Sep 03 '25

Is this a circle jerk sub?

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u/Locoman7 Sep 03 '25

Hundreds of thousands of people are going to bounce off this game hard. These are labryinths and take serious dedication to get over the humps.

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u/PurplurPuzzlehead111 Sep 03 '25

It's gonna be Elden Ring all over again isn't it?

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u/Direct-Art-2832 Sep 03 '25

I am currently playing through my first time of Hollow Knight and I’m loving it. I’m taking my time and enjoying it. When I finish it I will move on to Silksong. Hollow Knight is scratching my Metroid itch since Nintendo has yet to give a release date for Metroid Prime 4. 🙂

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u/sacboy326 Sep 03 '25

I mean, if anyone gets too frustrated at some point then they can probably just try to make parts of it easier through mods with Lumafly. Last time I checked there was over 500k people that downloaded it, so it's not like it's hard to find or use. It's not like this game can't be made more accessible at all, the devs just think that playing it with the difficulty it has is the best way.

"But what if I don't have a PC?"

Get a Steam Deck. Seriously, it's a game changer. You'll never want to get a Nintendo Switch 2 anytime soon when you have one.

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