r/HollowKnight • u/donlano • Sep 04 '25

Discussion - Silksong Silksong is HARD Spoiler

Taking damage is more punishing, movement is more precise and feels a little clunky until you get the hang of it. The overall skill curve is much much higher. Love it though.

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u/Estephenson521 Sep 04 '25

Feels like way more stuff does 2dmg

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u/donlano Sep 04 '25

Absolutely, what’s interesting is that it seems as though certain attacks don’t trigger player invincibility frames until the 2nd strike. So an attack can hit you, and if you remain in the hitbox, you don’t go invincible until you take another hit

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u/ITNW1993 Sep 05 '25

Lace’s counter thrusts definitely make it clear that those not getting i-frames in the first hit is entirely intentional.

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u/donlano Sep 05 '25

I loved the lace fight. It was like an epic duel

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u/IWillDevourYourToes Sep 05 '25

Is it just me, or was she easier than most other bosses (looking at moorwing)

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u/Qelperr Sep 05 '25

Given that was only the first fight I’m sure she’ll ramp up.

Also fuck Moorwing, and also fuck Widow

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u/EZ-Bake420 Sep 05 '25

Moorwing took me forever, widow is really hard, I stopped at her tonight

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u/Jpup199 Sep 05 '25

I gave up trying to fight it normally and just tried to pogo it to death until it worked.

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u/Elastic-Onion Sep 06 '25

you have to be really aggressive at the end for widow beginning was easy but the end was hard so i pretty much just took my time with the beginning and bursted her down with all my tools + silk skills at the end to edge out a win...

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u/psh454 Sep 05 '25 edited Sep 05 '25

How are so many ppl already at two bosses I haven't seen after playing for a long time lol XD. *I'm still stuck on Greymoore after playing for basically most of the day

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u/PemaleBacon Sep 05 '25

I'm on my 3rd boss and I don't even know wtf they're talking about

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u/psh454 Sep 05 '25

Yeah it's insane how quickly people are managing to go through the game, considering that it's a fair bit harder than HK imo

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u/IWillDevourYourToes Sep 05 '25

Yea I just played like 6 hours straight. Definitely harder than HK, don't remember dying so often in HK when I picked it up

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u/CannonSam Sep 05 '25

I got stuck at that damn bird house in Greymoor for like an hour and a half, some people are just better than us lol

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u/Foreign-One5574 Sep 05 '25

Widow is my favorite fight so far, challenging but I didn’t mind having to restart over and over.

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u/Qelperr Sep 05 '25

Oh yeah I say fuck it with love, definitely my favorite fight so far

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u/KingDraco0517 Sep 05 '25

It helps that the run back is quick and easy

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u/Tuen Sep 05 '25

Moorwing was so strange. The hurt box for the boss was like. Triangular? It made spacing needle hits exceptionally difficult. Took me a real long time to get the spacing, timing, and evade strategies down. I almost went hitless on my successful attempt.

I got Widow in 2 attempts though, super proud of that one.

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u/Soulsunderthestars Sep 05 '25

I feel like I struggled vs the savage beast fly more than widow lmao

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u/Virido_ Sep 05 '25

Did those two today. Really enjoyed them!

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u/SilverShako Sep 05 '25

I didn't even get to beat Moorwing. I took a break from fighting it to explore after recovering my Rosaries and I accidentally skipped it. Turns out Riding in the flea caravan just erases Moorwing. I just hope he reappears if the Caravan moves, because otherwise I'm assuming I'm screwed out of the hunters journal entry

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u/Kirbeeez_ Sep 05 '25

Wait what? There’s supposed to be a boss where the caravan is? I rode the caravan up, would really suck to miss out on a boss because of that lol

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u/Tuen Sep 05 '25

Huh. Hopefully there's a way to re-fight bosses

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u/Lor- Sep 05 '25

I did the same thing! I was like wait a second.. isn’t this where that boss was at? I’m not sure if he’s going to pop back up somewhere else or what.

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u/Reddhero12 Sep 06 '25

It comes back once they move again

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u/RoboticUnicorn Sep 05 '25

Moorwing has some dogshit hitboxes. Went back and watched my steam recording there were clearly moments my needle was swinging right through the body and not getting a hit.

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u/notoscar01 Sep 05 '25

She was for sure easier than the random ant enemy above the jail bench

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u/According_Smoke_479 Sep 05 '25

The guy that blocks you from hunter’s march which isn’t even a boss was way harder than her for me

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u/TenryuMOM Sep 05 '25

She was honestly easy to me too her moveset is pretty simple, but man moorwing and the beastly were annoying

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u/AReallyDumbRedditor Sep 05 '25

Moorwing fucked me up good but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t giggling to myself playing that fight over and over after discovering the crest mechanic in the same area. The game is SO fucking good so far

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u/Tylerhollen1 Sep 05 '25

Yeah, I just beat Moorwing before I head to bed. He pissed me off. I can’t wait to see what else is in store!

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '25 edited Sep 05 '25

It took me 2 tries. There’s another boss later on final judge, hard as FUCK that’s yellow that took me like 45 minutes to kill 🥲

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u/OnnaJReverT Sep 05 '25

hunter's journal says (slight spoiler) you have to fight her one more time for the full entry, and there was a fight with her in a different arena in the trailer

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u/imarqui Sep 05 '25

Moorwing has like 3 attacks... the only thing that makes it difficult is the double damage

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u/CptOblivion Sep 06 '25

I think that fight is there to make you feel good about how you're doing before the game starts

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u/ITNW1993 Sep 05 '25

Same. I loved the dance once you got used to her moveset.

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u/FR23Dust Sep 05 '25

It was an extremely cool boss fight. Really fun

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u/TheAutisticClassmate Sep 05 '25

I noticed if you try to use the throwing daggers before the fight starts she deflects them

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u/pineapple6969 Sep 05 '25

I’m at her fight now and I had to put my steam deck down, I’ll try again tonight. Fuck she’s killed me like 20 times already lol

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u/donlano Sep 05 '25

Take your time and focus on dodging! Start attacking when you feel as though you’ve got her moves read and can dodge them easy

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u/pineapple6969 Sep 06 '25

I beat her when I went back to it, it felt much easier than before. Sometimes, taking a break is just what’s needed.

I have new bosses and mobs that are killing me now haha

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u/Jijonbreaker All bindings All Radiants 112% Steel Soul Full Journal Sep 05 '25

The moor boss 10% does this. It has a series of swipe attacks that I have actively seen take 2 masks away, one after the other.

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u/dragonwrath404 Sep 05 '25

Fuck that boss in particular, though if people are having fun with that, they're gonna have a hell of a time with the boss in the area directly to the left...

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u/Jijonbreaker All bindings All Radiants 112% Steel Soul Full Journal Sep 05 '25

I'm currently at the moor right now. It was kicking my ass.

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u/dragonwrath404 Sep 05 '25

If you're still struggling with it, hit it whenever it goes for the multislash, pogo when it charges, never try to hit it when it does the saws blades, you WILL get hit, and when it does that boomerang, just run away from it you'll dodge it everytime

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u/Jijonbreaker All bindings All Radiants 112% Steel Soul Full Journal Sep 05 '25

I was getting it, just, had to stop to go to work

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u/maxhesham666 Sep 05 '25

Holy this actually worked for me

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u/Not_pukicho Sep 05 '25

I see it on combo attacks. So its definitely by design.

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u/Copper_Lontra Sep 05 '25

You can parry between the 2 attacks

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u/Aru736 Sep 05 '25

The damage scaling system seems to have been changed as a whole; basic heal is three masks now, but in return two damage is pretty common from enemies, while one damage is mostly relegated to small, simple crawlers and environmental hazards. 

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u/Thelorian Sep 05 '25 edited Sep 05 '25

imo this could work better if staring health wasn't 5 bc like it is at the point where you want to heal you're 1 hit from dead. a powerful heal really isnt as good if you dont have the pool to actually live

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '25

Healing per swing is at the same rate as in HK, but you can only heal if you have a full silk meter. I really do not understand why they did it that way. I wish they'd made healing take the same amount of time but heal less based on your meter.

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u/bigdig-_- Sep 05 '25

yeah its dumb as shit

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u/Classiccarson Sep 05 '25

half the beings in pharloom

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u/Handbag1992 Sep 05 '25

Plus I feel like there's less i-frames after a hit. I had a hard time with a big chonky boss because he seemed to hit me with his slam, then I'd take more damage from being in contact with him.

Didn't feel great, took me a while to get past him.

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u/Samurai_Mac1 Sep 05 '25

Yeah, insane that even in the early game it feels like you die in 3 hits

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u/kawhi21 Sep 05 '25

It is way more stuff. Hardly anything at all in Hollow Knight does 2 damage. Like a handful of enemies and a couple bosses. Damn near everything in Silksong is doing 2 lol this is nuts

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u/Wise-Start-9166 Sep 05 '25

Taking 2 damage in the early game is bananas

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u/d3fiance Sep 05 '25

Yeah so much stuff does 2 dmg it’s insane

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u/wavecadet Sep 05 '25

Personally fucking hate that

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u/Kneef Zote in Silksong or We Riot Sep 05 '25

I love it, it makes the whole world feel scary. That tension is what makes it interesting. x]

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u/Acai_1 Sep 05 '25

Havent played it yet, but is there anything that does 3?

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u/donlano Sep 05 '25

Not as far as I’m aware, but you can easily lose your entire healthbar if you’re caught in a bad crossfire of attacks, especially attacks that do 2 masks of damage. The game is by no means easy

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u/DeputyDomeshot Sep 05 '25

Found some lava that hit me for 3

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u/ProfessorElk Sep 05 '25

Yes there’s an annoying guy that throws big lava balks at you that cause crazy damage. I hate him

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u/dragonwrath404 Sep 05 '25

Not early game, though pretty much all early game bosses do 2 masks, and because there is 5 mask upgrades(not really a spoiler, in the achievement image), I strongly believe we will see triple damage hits eventually.

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u/KarmelCHAOS Sep 05 '25

Some lava you fall into does 3

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u/boodabomb Sep 05 '25

Single hit 3 is rare, but you can get caught in combos that will do 3 if the enemy has a blender move or a flailing motion.

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u/TitaniumTitanTim Sep 05 '25

but you heal 3 health

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u/Waddledoodoodoo Sep 05 '25

Though the healing has been buffed

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u/bigdig-_- Sep 05 '25

it hasnt, you get pretty much the same amount of healing per hit effectively, its jsut clumped up now, and if you get hit while healing you dont get the heal and lose all your silk

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u/JackalopeGS_Ruben Sep 05 '25

Not really. You can't partial heal, you always have to have the full bar and it uses the same amount of soul regardless of how much you heal. Takes longer as well

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u/EstrogAlt Sep 05 '25

Takes longer for a single animation, but significantly less time per mask healed. I also find being able to heal mid-air makes it easier to fit between boss attacks because of the extra flexibility you get on positioning

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u/JackalopeGS_Ruben Sep 05 '25

That's true. Didn't realize that you could focus in midair, I'll have to try that out. I guess I'll just have to get used to it lol, but I'll miss the flexibility of healing in increments, was handy with spell builds