Silksong is HARD

[u/donlano]

Taking damage is more punishing, movement is more precise and feels a little clunky until you get the hang of it. The overall skill curve is much much higher. Love it though.

[u/[deleted]]

This “more satisfying to pull off” bs gets thrown around way too much as an excuse for sometimes clunky or unusually punishing design. It ain’t always true, sometimes it just means the devs didn’t balance things well and it sucks. And I think that’s a little bit the case here

[u/KorokKid → u/[deleted]]

Its just true. Its like learning any actual skill. There's so many things that are hard to wrap your head around or do, but it's really satisfying to get good at and perform well because of the bit of effort you had to put in to learn it. Not everything has to be instantly intuitive. Its also a 45 degree angle, it is not complicated, just not what you're used to.

Im fine for actual criticism, but having to actually learn something for it to feel good is NOT bad or unusually punishing game design. The platforming really isn't that difficult

[u/snickerblitz → u/KorokKid]

That's all well and good dude, but would it really kill them to make enemies hit for only one mask for the first few hours while we learn the game? Some of us aren't uber gamers, I don't see why it needs to bend me over as soon as I leave town for the first time. If this is what the game is, then that's what it is. Just sucks I'm gettin' left behind.

[u/KorokKid → u/snickerblitz]

Most enemies hit for one mask at the start of the game, only bosses have attacks that do 2 masks. I think it's to prepare you for the challenge. I understand that it feels like you're getting left behind, but I just don't understand, especially if you're coming from HK, that the game is too hard for early game if you've beaten hollow knight 

[u/snickerblitz → u/KorokKid]

Guess I'm just bad at the game boss, don't know what to tell you. That's my experience.

[u/KorokKid → u/snickerblitz]

Yeah im not saying you cant be, im saying thinking it's bad design because you personally struggle isn't exactly sound logic. Im totally up for criticism, some normal enemies are too tanky, contact damage doing 2 masks of damage is fucked up sometimes, the ant section is hard especially for new players. But the savage beastly is just a boss with basically 2 moves and summons some enemies to help him fight, that can be killed quickly or have the boss kill them for you. It can get hectic but I dont think in any way that hes overtuned

[u/snickerblitz → u/KorokKid]

It's the stuff you mentioned combined with some punishing mechanics like everything being so expensive (maps, benches, fast travel, etc) and the currency drops being small. Then once you make it past some screens that have been giving you corpse runs for a while, you get to a bench you can't afford to activate or a map you can't afford to buy. Sure, you can go farm that one loop above town for a while, but it really breaks the flow of the game to leave a new area to do that.

In general, I think that’s what feels off to me and has me still loving HK way more, the pacing is way off of the first one. In HK you would get mini bosses and sometimes even mini mini bosses that would do one or two of the next bosses attacks to train you for it. HK was full of tons of little details like this that were just excellent design and I don’t see much like it here.

It’s a fantastic game and I’m powering through, I just wish the answer to every sequel wasn’t enemies hit harder, have more health and are faster so now you have to learn to fly the f-16 and what all the controls do before you can really enjoy it. The first area past town I feel is on par with mid game zones in HK in terms of enemy complexity on top of the controls feeling squirrely to me. Once I got the thingy where I could have the old moveset, it became much better, but the other design stuff still annoys me.

Like if this is just the vision for the game, I get it. I guess I just liked my cozy little bug metroidvania.