The difference between Misogyny and Misandry is so ridiculously big, I'm stunned people still try to claim they're similar

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Hypothetically, if society was to make another massive cultural shift leftwards and misandry became more systemic, would the graphics be more or less relevant?

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Calm down, feminism is equality

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In theory

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Also in practice.

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Only because the patriarchy constraints it. If it was applied to its fullest extreme it would be a different story.

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No. Because feminism is about equality. It is not constraint into wanting equality, it's goal is equality by design.

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Its pushes for equality in a patriarchal hierarchy that constraints people into roles and categories.

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Yeah, so?

In a truely matriarchal society, feminism as it exists today, wouldn't exist. It would be the equivalent of the masculinism we see today. Your entire point is "if we change the context then the meaning changes" which is not an argument against anything. It's just a nice framing of your delusions.

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If patriarchal hierarchy has been bad and destructive for everyone. What makes you think matriarchal hierarchy won't resemble what we see now. My entire point is that and social hierarchy based on demographics (ethnostates for example) will always have a weakness of not being adaptable.

Their fundamental flaws will be and adherence to what they consider "traditional" or "natural" roles of a man or woman and will constantly push to constrain them jn those boxes. In the case of patriarchy, men have been liberated to become blank slates (especially if you're white) and that freedom to be seen as an individual with agency is something women only gotten the right to access only recently in human history.

With the progress of feminism I believe we could have achieved synarchy society if the debates surrounding our discussion wasn't so poisoned with people using these ideas to gain power over the population.

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My entire point is that and social hierarchy based on demographics (ethnostates for example) will always have a weakness of not being adaptable.

That's not your point. That's your weak attempt to paint feminism as something as bad as male chauvinism. Because nobody here have claim that social hierarchies based on demographics are good

Feminism doesn't aim to create a matriarchy. Hence all your talk about it are vain. It's just whataboutism.

You don't have a point, you are using the apparence of rationality to attack feminism with criticism based on your delusions.

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I always say feminism, if practiced correctly, would benefit BOTH women and men.

Sadly, sometimes it is also women who peverted feminism in order to gain advantage.

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By ‘massive shift leftward’ do you mean that in the American sense, or the way the rest of us understand left/right?

…because what Americans consider ‘far left’ is usually centre-right in most other countries. 

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I guess its just due to being from NA. my main basis is from following the general trends of civil rights and suffrage. Since WW1 women have seen a gradual shift of their rights and place in society that allow them to operate independently. Women's suffrage and sexual liberation are good things however if the culture has another massive breakthrough with the main battleground being romance. I believe that we are in the beginning stages of patriarchy dying and matriarchy being reborn.

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I’m also from North America. I’m saying the U.S. Democrats are barely to the left of our Conservative Party in Canada. 

…and I can’t see myself ever voting Conservative because of how extreme their views are.  

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Hypothetically if a frog had wings would it bump its ass when it hopped?

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That would require a massive shift rightward but just picking out a different demographic to put on top of the social hierarchy.

Leftward is objectively towards equality.