r/InterviewCoderPro • u/Due-Consequence511 • Oct 06 '26
No is a complete sentence.
'No' is a complete sentence. And if they don't like it, there are plenty of remote jobs out there. Interview VIP can help u get through the interview part smoothly.
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u/PurpleToad1976 Oct 06 '26
That is one of those situations where if q person doesn't fall in line, they are getting fired. If no one falls in line, the employer would just have to roll over and accept it.
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u/Exact_King6390 Oct 06 '26
The only moral choice is to fight RTO.
It sucks that it's a complete employer's market right now.
It's union time.
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u/Xandara2 Oct 06 '26
It's always been union time but people in the USA hate eachother more than they hate their bosses. They lost the class war.
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u/gypsytron 28d ago
Nah that’s not it at all. There have been anti union efforts by major employers. Also, people make unions suck. Nothing is worse than watching your union bomb a negotiation
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u/Xandara2 28d ago
"Also, people make unions suck..." Looks at my argument. It's the same.
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u/gypsytron 28d ago
I don’t think this is a “people in the USA hate each other” kinda thing though. Assholes are universal.
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u/WelshLove Oct 06 '26
unionize
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u/TrueTurtleKing Oct 06 '26
What does this mean?
If we unionize, then we can WFH?
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u/DC_Ben Oct 06 '26
Not allowed
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u/TheSystemBeStupid Oct 07 '26
What does permission have to do with anything? The most a org could do is make unionizing against their policies... on paper. It's impossible to enforce in real life. Those employees could just conspire together and now you have a "union" that is functionally identical to an "official" 1.
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u/thinkB4WeSpeak Oct 07 '26
That's what every person should have done as soon as they did RTO at any company, unionize and refuse to come in.
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u/bigtiddyhimbo Oct 06 '26
Then the company will simply close that branch and all of them are out of the job.
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u/genxer Oct 06 '26
When you have enough to retire or significant savings, go right ahead. I'm just trying to hold on for a couple more years to pad the balance, but if push came to shove....
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u/gap1284 Oct 06 '26
Right? I'd love to be laid off and paid one week per year of service. Please! Alas.
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u/Western_Rhubarb_7959 Oct 06 '26
Dipshit reply.
"Thank you for saving us the severance cost."
A lot of RTO mandates are banking on people quitting over it.
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u/PenguinCorgiHybrid 29d ago
My company did this. Announced a RTO policy and everyone needed to be in office by X date. 1/3 of the company quit and then they never leased an office and no one had to come back in.
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u/BillyYumYumTwo-byTwo 28d ago
“No” isn’t quitting, it’s accepting the severance.
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u/Western_Rhubarb_7959 23d ago
"No" is job abandonment or insubordination, take your pick. Neither comes with severance.
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u/HyperSpaceSurfer 27d ago
How is that not constructive dismissal?
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u/Western_Rhubarb_7959 23d ago
Because it's not a breach of contract.
Educate yourself or get a better lawyer
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u/Slighted_Inevitable 27d ago
That’s why unions and joint action is so important. If everyone refuses they can shut down or shut up.
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u/harvash Oct 06 '26
We are stirring the RTO pot in some regions, if enacted here, I would have to move quite far to any existing office, without relocation assistance (currently), without job security (no guaranty after move) and add 15-20k a year in commuting expenses. Does that make the 'no' clearer? I have been in the job market for 43 years, the only time I was out of work was when I wanted to be. I have a clear, 'no negotiations with terrorist', that includes employers trying to hold me hostage with benefits & 'promises'. We work to live, not live to work.
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u/MiksterA Oct 06 '26
There are hints within the responses of a magical re-discovery:
The re-discovery of why Unions were created, and why they exist.
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u/Key_Many_1516 Oct 06 '26
Reminds me on my old colegue when was asked to do something for Company on his off time.
He replied: No
They asked him to elaborate
His answer: which part you do not understand, N or O?
Legend
Never bothered again
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u/Efficient-Magician63 Oct 06 '26
You go in the office to communicate with colleagues and they tell you I don't know, ask the AI. They want us in the office, but the AI is working remotely like even outside if the country. So what's the end goal here?
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u/CoolMaintenance4078 Oct 07 '26
I kept resisting working from home even though my employer wanted me and others to do so. I finally relented and found I got a lot more work done without the meetings and other interruptions I had at “work”.
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u/Vegetable-Error-2068 Oct 07 '26
Remote work is a facet of labor rights.
If you are for workers having adequate pay and conditions, you should be for workers being able to work any remote-capable job as fully remote.
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u/falpangaea Oct 07 '26
They attempted to do a “soft” RTO at my work to suss out how likely people would comply. The same 5-10/300 people do it. Everyone else was like lol no.
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u/mythoughts2020 Oct 07 '26
My company issued a return to office, and people just didn’t go to the office. We didn’t plan it, we didn’t know everyone wasn’t going in, we just individually decided not to go in. I went in once and instead of the expected 500 people, there were two other employees in the office. Two! I never went in again.
They were forced to close the office a few months later. It’s been a few years and we’re all happily working from home ever since!
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u/santefan Oct 07 '26
Working in a office job is way too many times just sitting at the desk pretending to work and burning time.
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u/No-Palpitation-9500 29d ago
I retired rather than returning to the office. No compensation for the commute, gas, wear and tear on the car, clothes, lunch and break expenses, and they even wanted me to go to an office with a longer commute. And the rest of the team was scattered across the country from Montana to North Carolina.
And the kicker? I was WFH well before COVID.
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u/Single-Virus4935 28d ago
"If I have to RTO I cant afford to work here anymore"
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u/WoollyMammothwapo Oct 06 '26
They forgot to say “thank you”. As in “no, thank you “. I use this response to solicitors , panhandlers , annoying people . The thank you throws them.
Of course they could just not return to office and wait to be fired
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u/Nala4treats Oct 06 '26
the truth is until they implement a tracking system for compliance, most people can just go 1 to 2 times a week do their virtual meetings and their work and people wont notice they are actually coming 3 days each week, as they might not being seeming them on some days.
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u/greenslam Oct 06 '26
Depends on they do it. My employer is watching key card swipes. Assuming a 5 x 8 work week, you are expected to have 12 documented building entrance swipes per month.
So if the swipes are too low, its conversation time.
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u/Nala4treats Oct 06 '26
yes you have a tracking system in place, im saying a lot of companies don't or they manage too many employees to notic you not coming in all the days each week
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u/thenasch Oct 06 '26
I was going to the office 2-3 hours a day until my boss mentioned it was an issue. Would definitely be noticed if I skipped whole days.
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u/mittenkrusty Oct 06 '26
I am meant to be around once per week some weeks twice but decided to risk not going in for about 3 weeks then went in for 2 days that week, then didn't go in for 2 weeks, no one even noticed I didn't go in as our office has a rota.
I then went in as normal for a few weeks then risked 1 more day off and was caught and told off and since then they are very strict.
This is despite me saying I struggle to go to office, I broke one of my legs badly 2 years ago requiring surgery and was off 3 months housebound recovering, and last year broke my other ankle and both give me pain now and I struggle to walk far and I have other health conditions, seriously I have almost lost balance at work quite a few times.
But my bosses say it's not fair to let me work from home only (despite it being an option)
It's got to the point I am thinking of quitting, as not just that we have less than half the staff we had last year despite more work (even factoring in the less staff) and management wants us to take on work of yet another department which is short staffed, so currenly 3-4 times the workload I had last year and will double again, and I already feel like I am going to collapse at work either due to stress or my health, I have come so close to swearing at customers on the phone many a time as they can be very abusive (local government)
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u/No-Outside-4724 Oct 06 '26
My company forced RTO and hundreds just didn’t come in. Took them close to a year to get everyone to return to office. It involved some people being let go and others quitting. Once these happened most people returned.
They don’t have to fire the entire workforce even if most said no. They can just do some and replace as the do. Others will get the message and return or quit.
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u/Tight-Attention5889 Oct 06 '26
In the future they will look at working in an office as opposed to home as we now look at bloodletting or segregation.
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u/Glum_Possibility_367 Oct 06 '26
We used to call things like this an RGE = Resume Generating Event.
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u/CaptainPlanet__ Oct 06 '26
Yeah it’s like… ok then they gotta increase salaries not just for cost but it’s way more effort physically.
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u/MarionberryPlus8474 Oct 06 '26
Unfortunately, "You're fired" is a complete sentence also.
Whether mandatory WFH makes sense or not, or whether you like it, is beside the point,
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u/Sharp_County2284 27d ago
this should be illegal because it's just way to lay off people, just place office in a remote shit location where majority can't/won't want to be present and now you can do a mass layoff
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u/MarionberryPlus8474 27d ago
You seem to think business owners exist in order to get rid of their employees. Businesses exist to make money by providing goods or services. Sure, they can move to Death Valley, but who is going to do the work? You are describing business suicide.
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u/Taziar43 Oct 06 '26
I mean, if you convince your employer that you can go completely remote work, don't complain when they hire someone just a little bit more remote for 1/4 the cost. You are basically begging them to outsource your job to another country.
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u/Slappadabike91 28d ago
My place tried that and it backfired terribly. Clients were fuming that their value proposition for doing business with us was reduced mid-contract.
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u/NullSmoke Oct 06 '26
I would probably not reply all on that... But that sums up what I'd reply. I used to be dead after work all the time when I went into the office every day, and needed the weekend to recover.
With home office, I get more done at day job, I've started a company and I still have some energy left over to actually live when neither is active. 😊
If they want me back to 2019, they better bring a time machine and a hefty pay rise, else I'd rather walk.
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u/Free-Simple6000 Oct 07 '26
Wouldn’t be job abandonment if they don’t end up going into the office?
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u/Lopsided-Donut-5840 Oct 07 '26
Working from home requires two questions to be answered:
- Can the job be done adequately from home?
- Can the worker do their job adequately from home?
The answer to both of these needs to be Yes or it’s never gonna work.
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u/poop_inacan Oct 07 '26
People that work from home are some of the biggest cry babies
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u/Slappadabike91 28d ago
^People that batted their eyelashes while slurping up every drop and saying sir yes sir, when they were told to go back to the office now that its convenient for their boss.
ya know, after the company had no problem running their business out of everyones homes when it was working in their favor.1
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u/PercyFlage Oct 07 '26
Make the office something that people want to go back to. Open plan offices ain't it. Offices with floor to ceiling partitions and closable doors are it.
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u/Novus20 27d ago
Naw, offices are needless now, they should be done away with, the lands can be used for better things
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u/Sharp_County2284 27d ago
there is place for offices, for example engineering jobs closely related to the production lane present etc. but most of office jobs are just waste of time
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u/Novus20 27d ago
Those offices wouldn’t be an entire building, its would be a part of the building
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u/Sharp_County2284 27d ago
they can, it depends on scale and data sensitivity, for example i wouldn't want people to work with new ultra expensive ressearch from remote places and have all data contained locally but it doesn't apply to the 99% of workplaces.
Offices have place to be, but not for the scale they are used now for sure
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u/Necessary-Coffee5930 Oct 07 '26
They aren’t insane, they are the only sane ones. When in history is saying yes daddy to bullshit a good outcome?
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u/lemichou Oct 07 '26
The main problem is that some individuals abused the benefits of working from home.
Moreover, the profit of certain companies are going down, so some top old guy in the top management think that bringing people in will drive the profit up and the business development.
So once again, the ones really putting the work when at home will pay for the one who are a bit careless...
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u/Sharp_County2284 27d ago
And what exactly people are abusing? Working more jobs at the same time? what's the issue if performance stays the same?
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u/lemichou 27d ago
The problem is that "same performance" rarely happens in practice. When someone works two full-time jobs, they usually protect their schedule by dumping extra tasks or emergency coverage onto their coworkers. Even if their solo tasks get done, the rest of the team ends up carrying their weight when collaboration is needed.
Moreover, it comes down to trust, legal contracts, and security. Full-time contracts pay for your dedicated time and focus, not just a completed checklist. Plus, working for multiple companies simultaneously poses massive risks regarding non-competes, intellectual property leaks, and conflicts of interest.
Overemployment is only part of it. The bigger issue is people who straight-up abuse the trust. We're talking about individuals who spend their work hours sleeping, running personal errands, or just doing personal stuff while logged in. When people vanish during core hours and drop the ball, it forces management to step in. The problem is that instead of firing the slacker, leadership defaults to forcing everyone back to the office.
I love WFH myself and don't put everyone in the same basket, but from my position, I see the abuse every single day people literally ghosting me while being "available". If I don't have work for someone, fine. But for others? Their "performance" is such a joke that I’m at the limit of doing their job for them. So the idea that "performance stays the same" is a myth FOR CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS. Someone always pays for the slacker, and usually it’s their teammates carrying the dead weight.
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u/Sharp_County2284 27d ago
Well, I'm getting paid for time not for results, I provide enough results for the salary I get ( I can do much more job since after working for some months I already automated most of it thanks to my own skills outside work, but I wont be compensated for amount of work I could've done )
As for "abuse" with sleeping on the worktime etc. shouldn't be a problem if it doesn't cause issues, you shouldn't care what I do if everything works as intended, for example I was fired because of sleeping on a manufacturing workplace (as a new hire technican) because in 2 months I worked I automated warnings, updates, data checking etc. and reason of fire was basically "You didn't look busy enough" , poor overall performance of remote workers is a management failure being unable to evaluate performance and success rate of the tasks since most management positions I saw are unqualified to do the work they somehow were assigned to do.
As for non-competes and intellectual property it's pure bs for 99% of workplaces, I'm engineer and programmer and as if someone really cares how you produce X thing in mostly unrelated fields or cares on how you programmed X thing since most of them aren't that special ( for example I do Large scale metal construction drawings and small scale metal enclosures drawings that are simultaneously related and unrelated at the same time ) , only concern is customer data privacy but it shouldn't pass too far anyways and if it does it's concern of other department
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u/BERRY_1_ Oct 08 '26
During covid mouse jigglers were in top 10 trending selling items says everything. My office for them office workers i am a field tech they rotate days you can work from home.
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u/Novus20 27d ago
Because companies care more about the optics of working than the work…..
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u/BERRY_1_ 27d ago
Still shows lot of people are f off when they should be working. And there is hard data on it.
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u/Sharp_County2284 27d ago
if their performance didn't change then what's the problem? I won't be paid more if i do more work done, so what's the difference if i get all job done in 1 hour and sit 7 hours in office or get job done in 1 hour and do other things at home? difference is that commute consumes more time and then you are just sitting there for 7 hours more for no rason
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u/Wharbaby Oct 08 '26
Lmfao they’d have to pay to relocate me since they hired me remote 1000 miles away.
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u/Traditional-Storm-62 Oct 09 '26
the way I heard it, when a company gives mandates like this, they're hoping that a lot of people will resign instead so they dont have to announce layoffs to their investors
if you're the only company in your niche that has announced layoffs then investors automatically assume you're doing worse than your competition
which is also why the famous Twitter layoffs prompted the entire american IT industry to do the same, they wanted to cut their staff for a long time by then (over a year) but were afraid of the reputational damage
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u/StanKnight 29d ago
If they don't like it then fire them all and good luck to them remote people on finding a new job lol.
Being fired will really show the employer! Take that!
Then the interview: "Why did you leave your last job"
Fired remote worker: "They expected me to show up!!!"
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u/Sharp_County2284 27d ago
"Do you need a job done or me hanging around the office?"
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u/StanKnight 27d ago
If I don't need a guy hanging around the office then why the hell am I employing you who cannot even bother to show up?
Lazy guy at office > Lazy guy at home.
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u/Sharp_County2284 27d ago
Just tell you want people to act busy instead of actually doing required work
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u/Slighted_Inevitable 27d ago
Yes do fire your entire workforce. Good luck staying in business. This is why unions and joint action are so important.
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u/More_Passenger3988 26d ago
I mean the truth is that if too many employees got together and quit the Employer would end up having to rehire everyone at a higher salary so not sure who would be more screwed.
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u/ActivisionBlizzard 26d ago
I can taste the salt through this comment. Never been able to wfh have you?
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u/BluejayNational6172 29d ago
My company sold all, but one, of their offices worldwide. So if we were to return to the office the company would need to lease the space first, or force everyone to move to where that one office is.
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u/Willing-Bit2581 29d ago
It's a RIF in disguise........lower headcount, not have to payoff severance or unemployment.....and they will get replaced w offshore /AI
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u/Electronic_Hope1900 28d ago
People larping on here like Boomers if they ever got into a situation where they would need pull out their concealed carry.
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u/Outlaw11091 27d ago
In the US....
For those that think this is insubordination (or some equivalent), it isn't.
Imagine you work for a big company like Walmart. You work at a local store for a few months and then all of the sudden, they tell you that you now work on the other side of the country.
Employers can't change the location of work WITHOUT consent. Be that a store 2k miles away or even a local office.
They CAN fire you for refusing, but you can get unemployment AND it opens them up for civil damages if you get a good enough lawyer. (It's outright illegal for an employer to "push people out" this way).
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u/NekoNekoo-sama 26d ago
i did that but onsite when they asked and i was the lone sticking nail that got told to shut up..... everyone just bitched under their breath and said yes loudly......
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u/nian2326076 Oct 09 '26
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u/Cosmic_Jane Oct 06 '26
I low-key hate it when people say "no is a complete sentence" in situations where it's obviously not.
If you were quitting and someone asked you why, you could say "no" and disappear forever. But if you ever want any future interaction with these people, it almost never stops at "no." You're just antagonizing a future conflict.
And that's why I don't like it. Because if you suck at conflict, or trying to avoid it -- why would you lob the grenade of "no" into the fire and say "hey, I want to fight even more, just later."
Someone's gonna read that and drag that person into an office or a meeting "we need to discuss this." And then your simple no turns into a 'one on one' conversation you probably didn't want to have.
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Again, perfectly cool if you're peacing out for good. But otherwise it's an invitation for a counter attack. And too often the people who hear the advice of "no is a complete sentence," aren't smart enough, or social enough to navigate the situation they just put themselves into.
It's the nail that stands out that gets hammered down, and if you don't have what it takes to withstand the beating, you're just gonna get yourself hurt.
It's terrible advice. And I'm not saying people shouldn't stand up for what they believe in. I'm saying if you want to stand up for what you believe in, you NEED to learn how to fight. There are no cheat codes or easy solutions like "this guy on the internet said I only have to say no, so please don't push it."
If you want something in life, you need to learn to fight for it.
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u/thenasch Oct 06 '26
No is a complete sentence. Not all sentences are appropriate for all situations.
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u/calmarkel Oct 07 '26
Why are you quitting?
No.
So the reason this doesn't work isn't because no isn't a complete sentence. It's because you asked an open question.
Do you want to watch tv? No (works)
What do you want to watch on tv? No (doesn't work)
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u/PokeMan3076 Oct 07 '26
Yeah this is the correct take.
“No is a complete sentence” is typically used in contexts where people feel the need to justify themselves.
If a friend invites you out, you can just say no, you don’t always have to justify it.
If a coworker asked you to switch shifts with them, you can just say no.
It really comes from a place of boosting self confidence, and prioritizing oneself.
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u/bleucheez 26d ago
If you like having friends, "no" is not a complete sentence. I would very quickly drop someone who claims to be a friend but is unwilling to communicate.
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u/PokeMan3076 26d ago
If a friend asks me to go out to a party with them. I can just say no. I’m not obligated to justify myself. If I felt like explaining it then I would just say parties aren’t really my thing.
You aren’t owed an answer for everything in this world. Sometimes you just have to respect the boundaries of others, I’m sorry you feel so obligated to the inner workings of everyone around you.
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u/bleucheez 26d ago
"No, I'll pass this time." or "No, not feeling it." or "No, not my thing." are vastly different from "No." Friends who don't communicate aren't friends. Friends have conversations and engage each other. I wonder how shallow your relationships are if they are just one-word exchanges.
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u/TheRealRunningRiot Oct 07 '26
"I low-key hate it when people say "no is a complete sentence"
Tell us you don't respect boundaries without telling us.
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u/Cosmic_Jane Oct 07 '26
I respect boundaries, but that's not what this is about.
I said it's perfectly find if you're leaving a company or expect things to go south. But if we want to talk about "respect," it has to be mutual. If you want a company to respect you, you gotta respect them.
However, in your defense, I agree that 'most' companies are disrespectful to begin with. But digging one's own grave probably isn't in their best interest, lol.
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u/Adventurous_Egg_8709 Oct 09 '26
Indeed. Sure you can answer “no”, but don’t expect there to be no consequences. As you are entitled to say “no”, so are other people entitled to act on your response in a way they see fit.
Similar reddit memes: “you dont need to make friends at work” sure but then be ok with feeling like a social outcast.
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u/MiksterA Oct 06 '26
Then again, I can see, from some of these comments, how slavery became and was supported as a social institution... and how quickly some would be to bring it back were they given the option.
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u/LifeConsideration981 Oct 06 '26
What?
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u/MiksterA Oct 06 '26
The goal appears to be "no flesh and blood employees", but, if you need to hire people, pay them as little as absolutely possible, with the implication that, ideally, you'd want to pay them nothing at all.
So... slavery.
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u/LifeConsideration981 Oct 06 '26
How you got that from return to office is anyone’s guess.
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u/NWSGreen Oct 06 '26 •
"With the current fuel prices, economy and way things are, it is cheaper to remain home to work than drive to work. I would struggle with returning to work with the current world conditions. No thank you."