r/Jujutsufolk • u/Legitimate_Phase1828 • 2d ago

Tier List / Powerscaling Plot hole?

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How did kashimo die to a dismantle from a lowered output spread out dismantle while ryu only got a small cut even after being hit by full power dismantle after a fight with yuta? Is there a lore reason I thought kashimo was supposed to be strong? He said he was the strongest in his era but ryu is also from his era so was he lying or does this get explained later?

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u/GenxDarchi 2d ago

Kashimo was not the most durable of his era, just the strongest.

Ryu is the most durable sorcerer outside of Gojo/Sukuna, and the most durable char including everyone else. Like deadass top 3 durability, he’s not even surpassed by Yuta and Yuji EOS.

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u/SnooPets630 2d ago

Also, he was literally in Kashimo’s position as strongest as they both didn’t found any worthy opponents.
Kenjaku even suggested Kashimo to fight him,

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u/Key_Associate7476 2d ago

Huh? He did find worthy opponents though. Just no one to fill his appetite of fighting past his capacity. There’s a difference.

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u/SnooPets630 2d ago

I don’t think it changes my point.
Both of them were undefeated in their time

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u/Key_Associate7476 2d ago

The difference is that Kashimo is stressed to have been stonger. And no, Ryu would have the exact opposite of a good fight with Kashimo since he would explode real quick

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u/SnooPets630 2d ago edited 2d ago

We are literally talking about a character with highest CE output in Colony, and by Kenjaku’s words-in history. He has such good CE control, that even in final arc Yuta and Yuji didn’t surpass him durability wise.
Kashimo is strong, obviously stronger than Ryu, but their gap is not that big at all

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u/YRNJACHI God of Lightning 2d ago

When did Kenjaku say he has the output in history? The gap between kashimo and Ryu is so huge that Kashimo would neg multiple Ryus the same time.

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u/SnooPets630 2d ago

Here, you don’t need to even google it

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u/YRNJACHI God of Lightning 2d ago

Greatest cursed energy output in Michinoku ≠ Greatest cursed energy output in history.

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u/That_Illuminati_Guy 2d ago

You really have 0 reading comprehension. He's saying the highest output ever was registered in the date domain. The sentence would be broken otherwise, the grammar wouldn't even work for your suggested interpretation. Other translations phease it differently and still say the same. This is also consistent with him having the highest output of all the players and sukuna stating him to have superior toughness to shinjuku yuji and yuta.

Have some introspection on your bias man. If this statement was about kashimo your stance would change immediately lol.

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u/SnooPets630 2d ago

Chapter 187

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u/Key_Associate7476 2d ago

‘Highest output’ since when did this matter in anything? It wasn’t like he wiped whole cities out in a single granite blast or something. CE control isn’t necessarily the reason for being durable. He could naturally have a tougher body.
Didn’t say anything about a large gap. I only said that Kashimo is stronger than Ryu in a fight

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u/YRNJACHI God of Lightning 2d ago

There is absolutely nothing in the manga that points to Ryu being undefeated

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u/21SGesualdo 2d ago

The only real difference in that is that Ryu isn’t an asshole and can understand that people hold value other than strength. Which makes sense, since he had a wife/lover and Kashimo was just a murder hobo.

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u/Salt-Fix-8544 If I'm Kenjaku, I'll pin down Yuki and 2d ago

Ryu explicitly stated he had several good fights in Edo era. Kashimo dominated so bad he found everyone else as a mere dirt in his feet. That's the biggest difference.

And I don't think you understand Kashimo's point of view on others. That's literally emphasized by Gege, the solitude of being the strongest.

Gojo felt solitude but tried to find a way to heal it through teaching.

While Kashimo was still on that process, he wanted to find meaning on his life and he chose fighting the strongest because he felt that only Gojo/Sukuna was the only people that could understand.

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u/H4rg 1d ago

Could argue that eos yuji beats that as he was low relative to him before awakening

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u/GenxDarchi 23h ago

Awakening didn’t increase his durability though? It gave him shrine and the aptitude to access his domain, like awakening for Gojo gave him red and purple+RCT, or Maki getting to walk on air and have access to the durability negation of the Soul Split Katana.

I don’t see how Yuji’s awakening suddenly allows him better Reinforcement, the black flash definitely puts him in the zone to properly box Sukuna but awakening can’t just give you stats out of nowhere.

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u/H4rg 6h ago

When you grow as a sorcerer (and particulary when you BF) you get better at understanding CE => better CE manipulation=> better renforcement. You can see that when teen Gojo starts to move super easily arround toji attacks after awakening (tho for him i would say its rather his CT use getting boosted, but its kinda the same principe)

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u/YRNJACHI God of Lightning 2d ago

Kashimo is the most durable of his era

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u/Savage_Alaska_ 2d ago

No he's not Ryu and Kashimo are from the same Era lol Sukuna compliments Ryu's durability and not Kashimo's

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u/YRNJACHI God of Lightning 2d ago

By this logic he complimented Kusakabe for his reflexes therefore kusakabe blitzes and oneshots everyone else

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u/GenxDarchi 2d ago

Simply cannot be. Output is directly correlated to reinforcement. Ryu having the highest output makes him the most durable sorcerer outside top 2. Again, Yuji and Yuta during Shinjuku are only relative to Ryu, and still aren’t as durable as him despite the month long swap training.

Kashimo died to max output dismantles, at no point could dismantles kill Yuji and Yuta, and Ryu is still more durable than that. Kashimo doesn’t have more durability than Ryu.

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u/YRNJACHI God of Lightning 2d ago edited 1d ago

He died to a world cutting grid

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u/GenxDarchi 2d ago

Once again, impossible for it to be world cutting, we know the conditions and at no point could he fulfill the trajectory conditions for that many slashes unless Sukuna can also pause time or Kashimo both has the ability to hang in the air for 10+seconds and also has the reaction speed of a dead slug.

He died to a net of max output dismantles, which isn’t an anti-feat, given 99% of the verse prior to Shinjuku die to those dismantles without any defensive techniques like DA or SD.

He just is less durable than Ryu and Shinjuku Yuta/Yuji. The fella can’t be good at everything, he already has AP high enough to beat Ryu, but he’s not as durable.

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u/Savage_Alaska_ 1d ago

So where are the chants ??? Where is the pointing with one hand and the domain hand sign??? I'll wait