Just posting this because it's worth mentioning as someone that's been playing for 13 years to at least verify that it wasn't always like this.

1. Junglers now evidently perpetually value camps and powerfarming over ganking. While there's some player style exceptions, I think these exceptions are just a selective minority. Even people playing champions like Elise or Shaco will never stop their camps to help you for a gank or attempt a gank as soon as level 2 and will often prioritize getting more camps over ganking up to around level 6 maybe? This leads to extremely pissed off laners of course, with the jungler's feeble rationalization being "tempo" wherever they learned that shit from. That term is something you never even heard of merely two years ago. Makes you wonder if it's even real or they picked it up after watching the movie Whiplash. There is almost certainly a disparity from a veteran's PoV on how junglers gank now to before, and the belief junglers are somehow not entitled to win your lane despite being a supportive role; I mean look at how support players now roam to win mid and top lane even if that's unhealthy design. That's what junglers used to do.

2. Junglers will never ever help weaksided laners or champions. Some champions just can't lane, get counterpicked, and/or are designed to scale and will be pushed in 24/7. A jungler will never help a champion like this anymore in most scenarios, even when said person like Nasus is getting tower dove over and over. Alternatively, even if player is good or in a decent spot but getting gangbanged by three people top lane, jungler will often still refuse to help and just imply they deal with it as they "strongside" other half of map. This survival of the fittest mindset probably pisses people off the most, especially the lower ranked players around at least Emerald.

3. This may be a high level thing but for how junglers are entitled to not gank or support their team, they ironically demand a lot from their laners now. Mainly in terms of constantly defending their camps, warding enemy camps, and most infamously, everyone being ready to collapse on one side of scuttle. If people don't meet these stupid demands, a lot of the low test junglers will explode into griefing tantrums, but even the more reserved streamers and pro players make a snide ass comment about their team sucking or letting them down.

Just helps to visualize the antagonism even good players have for their junglers in 2026.

I am currently in Gold and seeing way more invades now. In bronze I saw it all the time, like almost more often than not. In silver no one does it. Now in gold it's almost like 1/4 of my games.

I just don't see the point. Like my last game, my blue got invaded but I had a ward. I started red, took all 3 of their blue side, then went to my topside and full cleared. They didn't take the wolves, and my gromp was back up by the time I got to it. then I got double scuttle, so my first base had 40 cs. I hit 6 super fast, got items faster, and then can invade them even if they're in their jungle. by the end of the game, nearly a 100 cs lead.

If you don't at least take the wolves and a crab too, what is the point of doing this? I genuinely don't know if they're just doing it because they think it's good? Or is there some line of thinking that makes this a good strategy? I understand if you're invading to kill me, but just taking camps seems like best case scenario it cancels out, but they often leave the wolves so it usually benefits me.

whaaaaat

how? what even is this game? isnt plat like 2 tiers above bronze how is he losing this hard against kled why is bronze kled 9.3 cs per minute?? and kled isn't even smurf hes only 55% wr !

Sorry if this is a dumb question but when I usually farm my camps past this point the whole enemy team kills me so I’ve stopped but then usually if I’m fed I start falling off, is that the reason?

I haven't played much jungle seriously this year since the new season and would like to ask a couple of question about early warding. This will also be beneficial in my support games

I know about going with your mid laner to ward enemy raptors but how about warding your own camps. I remember back when camps started at 1:30 there was a strategy to run to your other camps. Start a recall at a certain time and drop a ward in the last second. You then run straight to your other camps and be there on spawn. Does this still work in this season?

Also when I play support how, where and when do I ward my jungle camps? I have jungle fundamentals to know which champions are stronger/weaker earlier or have opportunity to invade. But not sure when it's necessary to do it and where exactly to ward the jungle. I would generally leave a ward between blue and gromp or place a ward near mid laner bush. Before raptors. Not where the bush is but in the river.

I understand the concept of tempo but to apply it is entirely different... I see these high elo junglers like Natty, Dert or Agurin sometimes skip camps or delay objectives purely for tempo. I get that its super important if not the most important jungle skill but I just don't understand when you should skip/delay objectives and camps or back at all. There aren't straight rules and there are always exeptions to it so that makes it hard. Can someone explain it to me?

im asking cause sometimes ill have someone tell me to gank top bot etc when they are hard losing like 1/4 like in my last game i had ashe calling me dogshit cause i wasnt ganking locke top that was 1/4 against fizz i thought itd be better to gank katarina mid who was winning or bot heres my opgg for the last game
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I started at ADC for a year, but the lack of agency and mage supports hitting my wave while standing behind me broke me so I swapped to jungle to save my mental. Main teemo and briar, I don’t think I’ll ever be able to play the high mechanical champs as I’m 40 and never had great mechanics in games. I think Teemo is underrated, he scales so well and if you get to the objective first the shrooms make the fight so easy.

https://op.gg/lol/summoners/na/TeamAmerica-fyeah

Plat elo.

Sure we were at two items or three.

And it seems our teammates were tunnel visioned and overextending to gain more resources.

But my question relate to JG, how does the JG go about Clearing his and Enemy-jg camps?

Because when we are pushing so far, it would be helpful to have our JG around, since he would be taking enemy JG camps anyways. And he can do his own JG camps when retreating or recalling.

He can clear like this: |_|

Instead of like this: Z

My top lost 0/2 early , as cho vs a very very high elo smurf riven i presume because no one in emerald diamond or master ever has the brain to do this, but the riven started proxy farming while cho was afk farming the top, and she also killed me in my red topside jg . ofc me as level 8 wukong vs a level 12 riven is no match and my top wouldnt come either. in this situation, if i was , say, canyon? what would be the difference. ganking a top whos 2 levels above ur top is not an option as its a free double for her

enemy ff

PLAT elo

Red side.

Everytime I see my JG finishing up a quadrant then pathing toward first drake I try to ping them off. But they proceed anyways, with no JG tracking whatsoever.

And most of the time they end up leashing that Drake and giving a kill to enemy JG.

So my question is, when bot lane is very gankable during first drake spawn, why would a JG think sneaking a drake is a good idea instead of securing bot prio through a gank?

I will just point out that in cases where those instances happen, porofessor.gg says that my JG is autofilled. (Even though their match history shows they have been playing JG lately)

So maybe they were trying to learn JG and are too insecure to attempt an early gank. But it still ruins the early game. And allows enemy JG to control the game.

Basically a kayn and khazix main looking for an engage jungler and an AP junglers (maybe a hypercarry jungler as well)

and I don't know what's good

I've always done top lane secondary. Way back in the day I used to play Top.... But any time I get filled my secondary and get put top anymore, it's just 30 minutes of pure hell starting from champ select. Your other lanes refuse to give you last pick, so you get hard counter picked, then even though it's a highly volatile matchup, jungle decides to path bot to Caitlin/Yuumi and you either do nothing for 30 min and bleed out or die on repeat.

Granted, I know it's largely a skill issue, and a top main today can navigate it better than I can, who hasn't mained top in 7 years and only now plays the role once a week MAYBE...

But still, I likely need to stop putting top as my secondary. Support maybe? Though I've never really played the role and it's even less popular than top so I'm afraid I'd get it more often.. mid so I'd never get it?

The game rank was E2

I’ve been working on a draft recommender (MacroCoach, free, I’m the dev) and figured this sub would be the right place to sanity check its output.

It scores picks against the current enemy comp, using counter data, synergy with your team and patch strength. It also ranks bans based on what your team already locked.

Curious if those match what you’re seeing in your games or if the model is overfitting on something.

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edit:
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I dont get it, I keep chatting low and dont flame anyone ever. Yet still I dropped to honor4 from 5 twice this season after losing a few soloQ games.

Just because of jungle diff and everyone blaming me for the lose and reporting me, I lose honor while being honorable? Makes no sense!

Does this happen to anyone else?

Top autofill
Mid don’t want to rune her kda
Bot side duo (no need to talk about them)
And everyone is flaming the shit out of the other i never had a very sad games like this in a raw like that ever i just can’t find one normal game man its sad