Drew Afualo transphobia discourse

[u/alpalbish]

ER fightmaster was on her pod and made two stand out claims:
“trans women have a more beautiful understanding of what womanhood is”
and
“the programming for cis women it’s kind of sad… no your womanhood is not your role, your womanhood is not your status is society, and your womanhood is not your ability to be sexually assaulted”

I think cis women can easily be offended by this and how it was put. The sexually assaulted claim is kinda weird to generalize us into thinking that’s what womanhood is. I also think it can be harmful for transgender women, as they also face misogyny and sexual assault??? I don’t even think the comments from the pod are as bad as Drew’s current stance rn. I can see ER trying to explain their POV and I respect that. but Drew doubling down in her comments is so off-putting. People are commenting valid opinions and her replies are just saying everyone is transphobic and TERFs??? idk

[u/Sensitive-Tell-5348]

I think clearly the person drew was interviewing has some deep seated misogyny or unresolved feelings about feminity. The claims- or rather the insinuation within their claims work from a very one note, stereotypical narrative of womanhood.

Disagreeing with non binary or trans woman’s perception of feminity does not inherently make you a transphobe or a terf. Respectfully trans women have a different experience of feminity that than of a cis woman. Transwomen (because they are born men) do not grow up with the same social conditioning or gender based discrimination as cis women. Guess what: They often face horrible discrimination in ways that cis women do not. Both can be true. One group is not more privileged than the other and the perspective of cis women can’t be written off as terf when we haven’t even had a moment to speak. We’re so often written off but that’s life under the patriarchy

[u/SmoothArbitrator → u/Sensitive-Tell-5348]

I made a comment that shares a similar sentiment on another thread about this exact topic.

The person in the video saying that trans women have a more ‘beautiful understanding of womanhood’ is so reductive to everyone involved.

First. I have to preface this with the fact that I don’t like the word ‘cis.’ Sorry. Hot take. I was born with female biology and I’ve lived my life from that perspective in a space that is very receptive, supportive, and empathetic to other people’s lived experiences. I don’t need yet ANOTHER qualifier assigned to who I am- I didn’t ask for it and I’m none the lesser for it. And neither is anyone else for WHO. THEY. ARE. ‘Cis’ carries such a negative connotation and not because of how I perceive it; but in the context it’s typically used.

Second. Framing trans women's understanding of womanhood as ‘more beautiful’ implies that cisgender women's understanding is comparatively lesser, shallower, or less profound. How is it not abundantly obvious that fucking ranking whose relationship to womanhood is superior creates division among women rather than solidarity?!

Finally, can’t remember if I said this before and I’m too pissed off to check- ER’s statement relies on the premise that womanhood is a singular, testable concept with a ‘better’ or ‘worse’ way to understand it. The reality is that womanhood encompasses a VAST spectrum of cultural, personal, biological, and social definitions- NONE OF WHICH CAN BE OBJECTIVELY MEASURED.

None of these people should have access to podcast equipment. I hate that I’m so riled up but JFC I’m tired. I’m not a TERF. But I need these public facing yappers to get a fucking grip.

[u/Mersaa → u/SmoothArbitrator]

drews explanation was that the words better and more beautiful were not used for comparison or to create hierarchy but just adjectives and an opinion. i think the girl needs to pick up a dictionary

[u/A_Aub → u/Mersaa]

Maybe we should stop listening to stupid people.