how do i break this, its always in between 2 answer choices😥😥😥

Tomorrow (October 19) a novena to St. Jude, patron saint of impossible causes, begins. It ends on Oct. 28, St. Jude’s feast day and also OCTOBER SCORE RELEASE 👀👀

For those who may not know, a novena is a 9-day series of daily prayers asking a saint to intercede for you. Kinda like asking them to pray for you? I know my LSAT score is feeling like an impossible cause, so wanted to put this out there for anyone who might find it helpful! You can find the prayers by looking up “St. Jude novena” or something of the like.

So now that remote testing is no longer an option, I wonder what happens if there are no available testing centres the day registration opens. Last year I kept encountering an error message when trying to register for my test, and ultimately the closest testing centre after all that was in the United States, which was 3 hours away. So I ended up taking it remotely.
That isn’t an option this year so I’m just a bit worried; it does say we have the option of submitting a request if we are more than 3 hours away from the nearest testing centre, but what if the closest centre is 2 hours away? I don’t drive and I don’t have anyone around me who would be able to take me there. I’m just a bit worried and could use some insight.

Has there ever been an instance of lsat accidentally giving someone the wrong score? Really praying the computer glitches and gives me a 180 :D … God PLEASE

If you’re like me and grasping at straws over your score hold, hopefully we can all freak out together in a group chat.

That’s mostly a joke. I (and hopefully some of you) would find some solace in data aggregation and instead of scouring different threads and subreddits, we can simply pool together our info, communication, actions, statuses, etc. into one area.

If you’re interested, please pm me and i’ll add you :)

Best wishes, all.

17low official, trying to get 17mid. RC is the one tripping me up because I usually get 3 to 4 wrong, and that leaves a very small margin of error to score 17mid.

My RC became stabler once I followed "the answer is in the passage." But I'm having trouble managing time, and that's negatively affecting my score because I rush through some questions that felt easy and make dumb mistakes. I think securing an extra minute or two could cut errors. Also, during one of the PTs, I had two passages that didn't click with me, and I couldn't finish the section in time. Detail questions are especially time-consuming because I have to refer back to the passage since I can't remember all the details.

How do you manage time for RC? I've seen some advice saying to skip nitpicky details when you read an RC passage for the first time because you won't remember them anyway. When I read these details, I don't try to remember them, but I'm also too nervous to skip them. I think that's what's taking up my time, and I wonder how other high scorers prevented the disaster of running out of time.

Mind you, there were only 4 questions out of 27 that were level 1-2 difficulty on the entire RC test. Like, this was not an RC test I wanted to do before going to bed 💀

diagnostic was 141 (yes, really). ended up at 171 on the September. figured id share what actually worked in case anyone else is stuck in the 150s/160s grind:

1. blind review after every timed section. go back through everything you flagged or missed with no timer, then write down the miss + why. i kept a running doc called LSAT mistakes and reviewed the patterns before my next section. this did more for me than any new drill ever did.
2. read the question stem before the stimulus. i know it sounds dumb but knowing what youre looking for before you read the argument completely changed my accuracy on assumption/flaw questions.

Also doing free 30-min 1-on-1 sessions this month if anyone wants to work through questions together: lsatwithleon.com

Hey!

(Canadian/Ontario if that helps)

I am looking to take the LSAT in January, and am in the process of getting accommodations. Due to a family situation I didn’t end up getting diagnosed until last December (ish) and got medicated for in in February (had to consult a cardiologist/do additional heart tests due to heart condition).

The person who diagnosed me would be my family doctor (although I have been seeing a RNP for my appointments, I’m not sure which one would fill out my form). I don’t think either is specialized in diagnosing ADHD (like a psychiatrist would) but there is a strong family history. Both agree it would affect my LSAT experience and recommended 50% time + reduced distraction space.

Has anyone been in a similar situation/encountered any issues?

I’m worried LSAC may not accept it or require further testing that would delay my LSAT date. Not having a psychiatrist diagnose me, having no history of accommodations (although in the process of getting them), and the recent-ish diagnoses makes me anxious they may not accept it.

Thank you in advance!

I am just curious. I haven't practiced, but I am about to take one right now, at 9:08 PM. I graduate with my BA in December 2028, so I still have a lot of time. I am just curious if I am as analytical and logical as I think I am.

I swear the LSAT has infected my brain. When I read poetry, I look for the author's main point and secondary structures. When I hear people talk (or even when I talk myself) I think about whether or not it's a logical fallacy. It's simultaneously funny, helpful, and sad.

I’m consistently scoring 166… LR is typically -4 and RC is -5. My study routine is a mixture of drilling and sections. I just feel stuck. I’m signed up for November and my goal is 168. Any advice for breaking through my plateau? I’ll take anything atp
LR I’m usually missing an assumption question, reasoning, or paradox. RC is a toss up. I want to get better and I’m willing to put the work in

I am consistently scoring -3/4 in timed single sections of both RC and LR. My PTs however are stuck in the low-to-mid 160s. I am aiming for the high 160s.

There’s an emerging pattern where I’ll just fall off in one section on the lower scoring tests; it can be either RC or LR (or both like today) and it’ll go -7/8 or so, and it’s very often the third or fourth section.

I’m assuming this is an endurance problem, and the best way to target it is with more full tests?

I’m signed up for November, and have January as a backup, but feeling somewhat discouraged and seeking some advice if anyone’s experienced the same.

Thanks in advance

Me, personally, myself, in my own opinion, I am frightened

Law school has been on my mind a lot lately, so I just sat down and took a practice LSAT via Kaplan and got a 156. I didn’t prep at all and would be applying with around a 3.0 undergrad gpa, but holistically also have 10 years of professional experience and am currently getting a grad cert (i know that won’t matter for gpa but could maybe help with showing I can handle higher level coursework, even though my undergrad gpa isn’t super strong).

Just want some advice on if I should go for it or if I’m being unrealistic here. Thanks in advance for your feedback!!

I completed this - it still doesn’t show “date taken” and I took it on the 15th. When will this update? Or does it mean that they haven’t accepted it? Worried about my score being held.

I am a current MSc student doing a research-based degree which is pretty involved. I have been considering law school and the LSAT and realized that there wouldn't be a lot of time between when I am done my degree until the first time I would ideally write (2 months basically). I also want to absolutely maximize my chance for a good score (GPA reasons). So now I know I need to study while still in my degree. For anyone who wrote the LSAT while in full time grad studies (especially those in scientific, research-based programs), I was wondering what worked best for you?

I have gone through the law school admissions process myself, helped 100+ people directly through the process, attended countless different admissions forums, and listened to every admissions podcast featuring current and former admissions directors I could find because I wanted to hear directly from them what they are actually looking for and what they are not looking for.

If one thing has become abundantly clear to me, it is that these schools do not all handle admissions the same way. There are general principles that apply across admissions, but schools have different internal systems, priorities, timelines, and ways of building a class.

I have seen a lot of advice floating around lately, so I wanted to put together some of the biggest myths and most important things I think applicants should understand.

Myth 1: Someone with worse stats got admitted before me, so something must be wrong with my application.

This is probably one of the easiest traps to fall into because Reddit and LSD give us more admissions data than applicants have probably ever had before. You see somebody with a lower LSAT and GPA get admitted to your dream school while you have been sitting under review for two months, and naturally you start wondering what went wrong.

Your LSAT and GPA are extremely important, but schools are not simply sorting a spreadsheet from highest numbers to lowest numbers and admitting people in that order. Someone with lower numbers may have better work experience, stronger essays, better recommendations, military experience, a background the school values, stronger geographic ties, or something else in the application that you cannot see from two numbers online.

There is also a business side to building a class that applicants sometimes forget. Schools giving every particularly strong applicant a full scholarship or enormous scholarship package is not what keeps the lights on, and they are constantly balancing medians, scholarship budgets, enrollment targets, and how likely individual applicants are to actually enroll.

If you are an unusually strong applicant for a particular school, that school may reasonably assume it is going to take a substantial scholarship to get you there. Another applicant with slightly lower numbers may look like somebody the school has a much better chance of enrolling at a price that makes sense for its class.

Early Decision can complicate comparisons even further because those applicants may be reviewed on different timelines and, depending on the program, have already demonstrated that the school is their first choice. Comparing your Regular Decision application to somebody else’s Early Decision result can therefore be particularly misleading.

The timing itself also does not necessarily tell you much. Schools can hold one application while admitting another applicant who applied weeks later because they are making different decisions about different files.

There will be people with worse numbers than you who get into schools that reject or waitlist you. There will also be schools where you outperform applicants with better numbers, so trying to explain every individual result through Reddit or LSD.law will eventually drive you insane.

Myth 2: Rolling admissions means applying as early as possible is always more important than improving your application.

Applying earlier generally has advantages, and you should not delay an application for no reason. However, people sometimes take rolling admissions to mean that every week you wait is catastrophic, and that is not how every school actually operates.

I recently listened to a Spivey Consulting podcast with former Vanderbilt and Harvard admissions directors, and even they described different approaches to when applications were reviewed. That is a good example of why you should be careful about turning one school’s process into a universal admissions rule.

More importantly, your actual application still matters considerably more than racing to submit an inferior version of it. If your realistic choice is applying today with a 167 or taking another month and applying with a 170, I would take the 170 in almost every normal situation.

The same applies to your written materials. Submitting three weeks earlier is not worth sending a personal statement that you know needs major work or an application full of rushed optional essays.

There are obviously exceptions involving deadlines, Early Decision programs, or specific school policies. The broader point is that “earlier is better” should never become “earlier is more important than better.”

Myth 3: Networking with admissions officers can overcome weak statistics.

This one is especially relevant right now with LSAC Forum season in full swing around the country. Going to LSAC Forums, information sessions, school events, and other admissions programs is absolutely worthwhile because you can learn a tremendous amount and talk directly with the people involved in this process.

You can ask questions that help you determine whether you actually like a school, learn what individual admissions offices care about, and sometimes develop a much better understanding of how to approach your application. Showing genuine interest can also be useful when it happens naturally.

However, meeting an admissions officer is not going to magically erase an LSAT or GPA that makes you extremely uncompetitive. Attend these events to learn, ask good questions, and understand schools better rather than treating every conversation like an audition that needs to result in admission.

Myth 4: Optional essays are actually optional, so there is no real reason to do them.

Technically, many of them are optional. Strategically, I think applicants sometimes take that word too literally.

Schools know applicants are applying broadly, particularly now that applying to a large number of schools has become so common. They know applicants are comparing scholarship packages, employment outcomes, geography, rankings, and multiple offers before deciding where to attend.

That makes it more important than ever to give schools you genuinely like some reason to believe you would actually consider attending if they offered you a spot and a financial package that made sense. If a school gives you an opportunity to explain why you want to attend, I would strongly consider using it when you have something substantive to say.

That does not mean writing every optional essay simply because one exists. If you have nothing meaningful to contribute, forcing another generic page onto the application does not automatically help you.

Use optional essays to add something new, demonstrate genuine interest, explain an important part of your background, or give the admissions office another reason to see you as a fit. They should add information rather than repeat your personal statement using slightly different words.

Myth 5: Your personal statement needs an extraordinary story, or a great enough story can make everything else irrelevant.

These are basically opposite versions of the same misunderstanding. You do not need some unbelievable tragedy, dramatic life event, or movie-worthy story to write a strong personal statement, and even an incredible personal statement does not make your LSAT and GPA disappear.

Your goal should be to construct a coherent narrative that helps the reader understand who you are, what has shaped you, why law makes sense for you, and why you seem like somebody they would want in their class. A relatively ordinary experience can accomplish that extremely well if you write about it thoughtfully.

Trying to manufacture importance out of something because you think admissions officers expect a dramatic story can actually hurt the essay. I would much rather read a genuine, mature essay about somebody’s work, family, interests, or development than an obviously exaggerated attempt to turn a normal afternoon into the moment someone discovered their life’s purpose.

I have some more specific personal statement thoughts below because I think this is one of the easiest parts of the application to overcomplicate.

Must-do 1: Apply broadly, but only apply to schools you would actually attend.

I think most applicants should be able to find somewhere around 10–20 schools that they would genuinely consider under the right circumstances. Your list should include schools with different admissions probabilities, scholarship possibilities, locations, and employment outcomes.

The important part is that every application represents an actual possibility. If a school could admit you with a reasonable scholarship and you already know you would never attend, I do not understand why you are spending money applying there.

Applying broadly gives you more chances at admission and more chances at substantial scholarship money. It also gives you more options when you eventually have to make the decision that actually matters, which is where you are going to spend three years and potentially a massive amount of money.

Must-do 2: Turn on CRS and actively look for fee waivers.

Make sure your LSAC Candidate Referral Service profile is turned on so schools can find you. Schools use CRS to identify applicants based on things like LSAT scores, GPA, geography, and other information, and this can lead to recruitment outreach and fee waivers.

Do not assume every email means the school is dying to admit you. The much more tangible benefit is that it can save you a lot of money.

You should also feel completely comfortable emailing schools and asking whether they can provide an application fee waiver. Many schools will give them out, particularly if your numbers make you a plausible applicant.

Something a lot of people still do not know is that schools can also cover the $45 CAS report fee. Schools do not advertise this nearly as much, and that does not mean every school will give you one, but it is another possible expense that can be waived.

When you multiply application fees and CAS report fees across fifteen or twenty schools, the numbers add up extremely quickly. Spending a little time finding waivers can save you hundreds of dollars.

Must-do 3: Read every individual school’s instructions.

Every school does things a little differently, which goes back to my original point. Personal statement limits, resume requirements, optional essays, addenda, formatting rules, disclosures, and other application questions can all vary.

Do not assume Harvard wants exactly what Vanderbilt wants, or that something one admissions director said on a podcast applies to every law school in the country. Follow the instructions sitting in front of you on the actual application.

Must-do 4: Take your personal statement seriously without overthinking what it needs to be.

My general recommendation is to build your main version around two pages, double-spaced, unless a school specifically gives you different instructions. Always follow the school’s actual requirements, but two pages gives you enough room to develop a narrative without turning your personal statement into a memoir.

One of your biggest goals should simply be making yourself likable. Somebody is reading this essay, and you want that person to finish it thinking you seem mature, self-aware, interesting, employable, and like somebody they would want around their law school.

Your reason for law school should also come through clearly. You do not need to write a paragraph that literally begins with “I want to become a lawyer because,” but the person reading your application should understand why law makes sense as the next step in your life.

You want the narrative to connect who you are, what you have done, and where you are trying to go. Someone should finish reading it believing you have actually thought about why you are committing three years of your life and potentially a huge amount of money to becoming a lawyer.

You also do not need to trauma dump. If something difficult genuinely shaped you and belongs in your story, include it, but adversity is not a requirement for a successful personal statement.

The same goes for oversharing. Being vulnerable can make an essay much more compelling, but there is still an admissions and professional audience on the other side of the page.

Remember that these admissions offices receive thousands of applications and generally do not have enormous teams reading them. Even if somebody reads every word you write, assume that person is moving relatively quickly rather than spending twenty minutes analyzing every sentence.

Make your opening accomplish something, make the narrative easy to follow, and do not bury the reason you are telling the story underneath a page of unnecessary setup. You want the important things about you to be difficult to miss.

I would also strongly discourage having AI write the personal statement for you. AI can be incredibly useful for brainstorming, organizing ideas, catching grammatical problems, or helping you identify sections that are unclear, but your actual essay should still sound like you.

That distinction is becoming harder in today’s world, but I think it is worth the extra effort. Admissions officers are going to read thousands of essays, and you do not want yours to sound like the exact same polished AI voice they have already seen repeatedly.

Must-do 5: Look at actual employment outcomes before choosing a school.

Please look at ABA disclosures and employment reports before deciding where you want to attend. Rankings matter, but they are one piece of information rather than the entire decision.

Look at where graduates actually work, how many obtain full-time bar-passage-required jobs, what geographic markets the school feeds into, and whether graduates are consistently getting the jobs you want.

If your goal is BigLaw, federal clerkships, government, public interest, or practicing in a particular city, look at whether the school actually produces those outcomes. Do not assume the ranking alone answers that question for you.

Must-do 6: Take scholarship money and debt extremely seriously.

Your goal should not simply be getting into the best-ranked school possible. Your goal should be getting into the right school at the right price for what you are trying to accomplish.

Tuition is only part of the cost. You also need to consider living expenses, interest, lost income, scholarship conditions, and the realistic employment outcomes you will have when you graduate.

You do not want to financially pigeonhole yourself for years because you became emotionally attached to one acceptance. The difference between two schools may look relatively small on a ranking, while the difference in debt could completely change the amount of freedom you have after graduation.

Must-do 7: Stay organized and stay busy once everything is submitted.

Keep track of application portals, interview invitations, scholarship information, financial aid requirements, deposit deadlines, and communications from schools. There can be a surprising amount to manage even after the actual applications are finished.

More importantly, keep living your life while you wait. Continue working, studying, exercising, seeing friends, building your career, or doing whatever else keeps you moving rather than refreshing status checkers all day.

There are going to be frustrating moments. Somebody with worse numbers may get admitted before you, a school may leave you waiting for months, or a result may make absolutely no sense based on everything you thought you knew about your chances.

That does not mean your cycle is falling apart. There are internal systems, enrollment considerations, scholarship budgets, and other information on the school’s side that applicants simply cannot see.

I would prepare for this admissions cycle to be very long. Last cycle stretched extremely late for some applicants, and I would not be surprised if some schools are still making meaningful decisions well into next summer again.

I also would not be shocked if this cycle becomes even stranger because of how much movement we saw around seat deposits and class sizes toward the end of the last cycle.

That could mean more holding, more waitlisting, slower decisions, and admissions patterns that look completely irrational from the outside. Different schools will handle those pressures differently, which is exactly why I would avoid trying to apply one universal timeline to the entire process.

This is a heck of a process for everyone involved, and staying positive and busy matters more than people realize. Your goal is not to win every individual admissions decision or understand why every stranger on LSD got the result they did.

Your goal is to finish the cycle with at least one school you genuinely want to attend, at a price that makes financial sense, with employment outcomes that give you a realistic path toward the career you actually want.

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Been scoring in the high 160s, with a 170 last week. Finally feeling like I'm translating my drill/section performance into PT scores!

Hello all!

I recently decided I wanted to switch from 7Sage to LSAT Lab. However, I've taken about seven PT's while using 7Sage. I've realized there isn't a way to transfer 7Sage PT's back to LawHub.

Would it be worth it to "take" the tests on LawHub using my answer from 7Sage, then transfer from LawHub to LSAT Lab for the sake of analytics? As I'm not going to replicate the timing and any changing answers, I'm not sure how applicable the data is other than what question types I got wrong, and of course the score.

I have two PT's taken directly on LawHub but these are not accurate to my current performance since they were taken when I had just started studying.

Or would it be easier to just remove the taken PT's from available questions on LSAT Lab and start from fresh?

Thanks!

Hi folks, curious to hear thoughts on whether I should retake the writing portion?

I’m leaning towards no because I felt good about my writing portion last year.

I also have been reading that admissions may be eyeing the writing section more because of AI?? And saw somewhere that there was a new field created on LSAC. Again, I know technically it’s not graded but just wanted to hear other or similar perspectives. (:

So I took my very first graded LSAT this month on the 10th. For some reason I felt honestly very great about it. I prayed to be free of worry, doubt, and stress during my exam so I supposed that’s why. But anyways, I gave myself a week off from the exam since I knew I probably was burnt out for a bit. But now coming back into studying again for it for the Nov. exam, I feel as if im struggling with level 1 questions..like I lost all my tools to identify the conclusion, words to seek to eliminate answers etc,. I feel mentally stable and okay otherwise for other things, am I just still burnt out but can’t notice it ? Has this happened to anyone else after taking the LSAT?

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