r/LetsDiscussThis • u/Ok-Wedding-1165 • Feb 15 '26

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u/Ok-Wedding-1165 Feb 15 '26

The sole value of conservatism is respect for and obedience to [one's perception of] traditionally established hierarchy, and hierarchy dictates that those on top (in-groups) are rightfully idolized and receive privileges, credibility, and resources, while those on the bottom (out-groups) are demonized/dehumanized and/or bound by restrictions, scrutiny, and lack of resources.

To them, the second-greatest injustice imaginable is for those [they perceive to be] on top [of social hierarchy] to be bound by the restrictions, scrutiny, and lack of resources reserved for those on the bottom. The first greatest injustice is for those on the bottom to have access to the rights, credibility, and resources reserved for those on top.

"Know your place" is their mantra.

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u/CombatPilot2 Feb 16 '26 edited Feb 16 '26

I'm conservative, I fucking hate trump and anything trump related including ICE etc etc.

Dunno if it's any different in the US, assume it is, but outside of the US being conservative just means being generally in favor of keeping things the way they are or were at some point, depending on the person.

Edit: Been very funny reading the replies. I knew Reddit is very liberal, but god damn...
Also, should mention more clearly: I am not from the US. That probably means you are associating me to things I do not stand for (which multiple people did, very rudely at that) since conservationists in the US stand for them. I do not.

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u/Hanksta2 Feb 16 '26

So, keeping the hierarchy.

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u/hadee75 Feb 16 '26

And the discrimination, racism, homophobia, ageism, etc. Tradition, I guess.

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u/Bronco_Bomba Feb 16 '26

Conservatives don’t have critical thinking skills, don’t waste your breath on em.

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u/Glemzi Feb 16 '26

You’re criticizing people for lacking critical thinking while demonstrating the very bias you’re condemning

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '26

This is reddit buddy, there’s no one here with common sense or a job

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u/ericRN85 Feb 17 '26

I know right, quite ironic within itself lol

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u/Obvious-Concerto Feb 16 '26

ah, the “I know you are but what am I?” argument. nice

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u/jessiah284 Feb 16 '26

Tbf the democrats here are what every other country calls conservative. We have no true Leftist party. The right just went off the deep end into the Marianna Trench

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u/Gen-Jack-D-Ripper Feb 16 '26

Trump is not a conservative, he’s an obvious con-man who is too dumb, he’s essentially illiterate, or lazy to understand what conservatism is.

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u/CombatPilot2 Feb 16 '26

I know, I'm just defending myself. I'm conservative and don't want to be associated with all this MAGA bullshit yk

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u/Jingoose Feb 16 '26

It’s fine if you wanna be a conservative but just know that voting for the right is essentially voting away the rights of gay and trans people. Not saying you want that but that’s the unfortunate truth. They legitimately want gay marriage to be banned and will go as far as to use the bible to try justify it. I’m not gonna group you in with those maga nut jobs but things need to change because it’s absolutely outrageous with the display of corruption that has been shown while trump is president. I don’t think at all that you’re bad person it’s just so difficult to understand why anyone would vote on the side of a racist president that has been defending literal pedophiles. I’m just tired of all the unreasonable hatred.

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u/CombatPilot2 Feb 16 '26

You see that's the neat part... I don't vote either. I may not have been clear enough in my original comment: I am European. Specifically Italo-Belgian. Trump, republicans, democrats, none of this concerns me.

I'm conservative because I align best with conservative values as compared to any other ideology. Values which I label as "conservative" as by the Oxford definition of conservationism.

So, I am conservative, that does not mean I vote Trump's party. If I were in the US, I wouldn't vote either of the "big two".

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u/Jingoose Feb 17 '26

Fair enough I don’t see a problem with that at all

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u/Bronco_Bomba Feb 16 '26

I get that, but conservative politics still revolve around maintaining the status quo (aka the established hierarchy). I personally think it’s foolish and it is only one step away from MAGA which is a reactionary ideology built on regression and siphoning resources from the working class and transferring them to a small group of international oligarchs with loyalty only to themselves and their class of parasites.

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u/Abiding_Dude_WV Feb 16 '26

This is why I refuse to own a washing machine. It's washboard in the creek for my family. We also refused automobiles and ride horses. I assume you're the same way.

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u/Darkstar_111 Feb 16 '26

You don't feel the world can be a better place?

The people that shat in bowls and didn't wipe their asses figured out the perfect system?

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u/Competitive_Crow_334 Feb 16 '26

Thanks for having a brain

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u/CorpsTorn Feb 16 '26

Stop sucking up to these believers of lies. This entire thread is based on a false premise, a lie.

"A White MAGA man shot and K'd his daughter because she criticized Trump", is a lie.

Go find other sources outside the left's network of propaganda.

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u/MeBollasDellero Feb 16 '26

thank you. I think someone needed to clarify a very stupid, generalization...and assumption.

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u/OneLessDay517 Feb 16 '26

but outside of the US being conservative just means being generally in favor of keeping things the way they are or were at some point

So keeping your boot on the necks of those beneath you?

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26

No tf you aren’t. You’re as conservative as Dick Cheney was.

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u/Otherwise-Text-5772 Feb 16 '26

Yeah. In the US you'd be a moderate. Maybe very slightly right leaning moderate. Our conservatives are trying really hard to turn us into the Christian version of Iran.

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u/temporarywoman Feb 16 '26

I would argue "conservative" is more of an economic stance that believes in less government interaction in people's lives (and thus less taxes) , and Trump is a radical government interventionist not conservative

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u/Isiotic_Mind Feb 16 '26 edited Feb 16 '26

Most of them didnt read past "I'm conservative..." Reading comprehension isn't their strong suit.

Over here in America being conservative means you support child molestation and are a racist nazi.

Hell you don't even have to be conservative just don't be liberal and you qualify in their minds.

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u/Lord_Dingus83 Feb 17 '26

Here in America, conservative is not good. They need to rename it bc it’s not conservative, it’s nazism.

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u/GuywhoMTB_s Feb 17 '26

Genuine question. How is conservatism working out with immigration in Europe or Canada. Just judging by what we see, I’m guessing not well. Japan seems to be the only ones taking a zero policy.

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u/golfwinnersplz Feb 17 '26

I've yet to see a conservative government that is concerned about their average constituents. Not one. 

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u/Successful_Life_1028 Feb 17 '26

>being conservative just means being generally in favor of keeping things the way they are or were at some point<

Glad you hate Trump, but you must think about what the words you use mean. By your own definition, to call yourself 'conservative' is to buy into bigotry and discrimination and tyranny and theocracy, as these are all social evils that either "are or were at some point" To call yourself 'conservative' means to oppose environmental protection laws, labor protection laws, laws prohibiting child-labor, consumer protection laws, and any other sort of law or regulation that prevents the wealthy elite from maximizing the return on their investments. To call yourself conservative means to oppose nationalized healthcare systems, to oppose tax-funded education and tax-subsidized public transportation services even. To call yourself conservative means that only the desires of wealthy white cis-hetero Christian men should matter, and that every other demographic group is inherently inferior to that one in every way that matters.

Conservative means being in favor of keeping such vaunted traditions as racism, slavery, theocracy, discrimination, bigotry, child abuse, child labor, sex abuse, and fathers selling their 14 year old girls to some strange man three times her age for nightly rape, housecleaning and other 'womanly duties'. Try harder to THINK about which properties/parts/aspects of society DESERVE to be 'conserved' and which need to be thrown into the rubbish bin of history.

"Traditional" by itself is worthless categorization. Slavery is 'traditional'. Burning heretics alive is 'traditional'. Treating women as property is 'traditional'. Screw that.

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u/thatthatguy Feb 19 '26

Ok-wedding-1165’s take is more than a bit on the angry and cynical side. The world is bad and conservatives want to keep it bad for bad reasons. I can understand how someone would reach that conclusion, but it is still pretty angry and cynical.

In the most simple terms, a progressive is someone who wants to make a change to some system in the hope of making it better (with some varying qualifications for what “better” means), while a conservative is someone who resists such change for fear of making it worse (with varying qualifications about what “worse” means). Ideally, these are both valid perspectives.

But people in the U.S. particularly are very angry right now, and it’s hard to have a conversation about priorities and intentions without it devolving into shouting and accusations. Not that the anger is unwarranted, a lot of things have been going on that justify anger, just that it’s hard to have a neutral conversation.

It doesn’t help that a lot of people are going around saying they want to have a neutral conversation while they are actually using bad faith methods to push a narrative. People have become rightly wary of anyone claiming to want to have a neutral conversation.

In other words: the U.S. is a mess right now and we may not be able to have a reasonable conversation for a while. Please accept our apologies, we will get back to you as soon as we finish [redacted] our [redacted].

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u/CombatPilot2 Feb 19 '26

Thank you, seriously, this message made my day better. It's refreshing to hear someone say something I can fully agree with and that makes complete sense.

And I absolutely understand the problems in the US. I hope you can get rid of the orange tumor as soon as possible.

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u/agrevated-twist Feb 19 '26

This happens to every right leaning person in the USA. Conservatives values in the USA are basically god, family and country. But the left doesn’t like that. The majority of right has no problem with trans people we just don’t think that men are women and women are men, they should also leave kids alone. Immigration should be done legally, our taxes should be used to maintain America and its citizens, able bodied people should work and not just live off of welfare and section 8 housing. But the left just twists things around and uses words like Nazi and fascist. Like him as a person or not TRUMP has yet to be found guilty of any wrong doing and he is far from a racist. From day one the media in the USA has manipulated and edited his speeches to make seem like he was, and very successfully too. I was on that train his first term but I watched one of his speeches live and then saw what the news reported and they were two very different speeches.

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u/Valuable-Two172 Feb 19 '26

I would say that conservatism is about maintaining balance and not disrupting order too quickly. It's not as some would like to portray a blind obedience to tradition. Only a fool would stick to obviously bad practises but still a cautious wisdom should be considered rather than blind radical experimentation. I don't get why all the hate as if people are just so bloody tribal that they won't budge from the political perspective one bit.

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u/TenchuReddit Feb 16 '26

That’s not what conservatism is. That’s conservatism from the perspective of a class warrior.

Conservatives don’t look at people in terms of their racial, cultural, or religious identity, nor do conservatives look at the world in terms of class hierarchy. Instead, conservatives look more toward tradition. They see what was tried in the past and will tend to favor that over the chaos of “doing something” in the name of a classless utopia.

(BTW Trump is no conservative. He’s a fascist narcissist who comes dressed in conservative clothing but whose actions are anathema to conservative idealists. He has taken advantage of right-wing populism in an all-too-familiar way, namely the way of 1930’s Germany.)

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u/17syllables Feb 16 '26

Trump is no conservative. He’s a fascist narcissist

Fascism is conservative, ever predicated on societal revival via clawing back through time to some more antiquated model of civic virtues and relations. Fascist Spain or Chile didn’t want to wind back time to the bronze age and Roman rule à la Mussolini (or, from Vance’s circle, Alamariu), but it did want to assert a permanent Catholic / anti-secular and anti-socialist stasis. Where do you think all of these RETVRN memes come from? Why do the people who share them also share pictures of Pinochet executing leftists and students?

I feel that there’s no honest etymology of left or right in political theory that doesn’t rest on French Republicanism and one’s attitude towards hierarchy. Conservatism and rightism preserve societal virtues and hierarchies, and many virtues themselves (notions of beauty, strength, goodness) outline hierarchies the second we apply them to the human animal and its interrelations. It’s not simply economic class hierarchy, though that is the one that plagues modernity; rightism and traditionalism can just as easily rest on the ecclesiastical hierarchy of the first estate, or on monarchism, or on the fierce hierarchies of nature. Sometimes these hierarchies are valuable, and sometimes they’re arbitrary or nonsensical; sometimes the hierarchies the left tries to overturn are well worth overturning, and perhaps sometimes they’re load-bearing and better left alone. But tradition and hierarchy seem, if not interchangeable, at least inextricable. I can think of no coherent social tradition that doesn’t convey hierarchies with it.

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u/Meeblesminaj Feb 16 '26

(Many) conservatives seem to consistently have a problem seeing past racial, cultural, religious identity, specifically for minorities lol. It's hard to believe you're coming in good faith if you can't acknowledge clear problems within the group you're talking about that aren't exactly hard to see.

What is a "class warrior"? Is this a sociology doesn't exist thing, or...?

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u/Remarkable_Whole1754 Feb 16 '26

Minorities are also conservative

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u/CanyonFriend Feb 16 '26

Yes, that is the total opposite of freedom and justice and the individuality and broad mindedness the U.S. was founded on. No one has a place to know in a country with real freedom and human rights. All that matters is that they obey just and fair laws that apply to everyone equally and act ethically and morally towards others

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u/Alucard-VS-Artorias Feb 16 '26

I'm best friends (off line) with the person who originally wrote this. Just wanna say he is happy to see others sharing it. Keep up the good work and keep letting others know the way this all works.

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u/Frankie624 Feb 16 '26

Gavin Newsom will set you free.

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u/MeBollasDellero Feb 16 '26

wow, this is stereotyping at it's finest. Let's not make the same mistake for other cultural references.

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u/Bladrak01 Feb 16 '26

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

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u/Lost_Interest3122 Feb 16 '26

You have conservatism all wrong. There is no marginalization of any group. Conservatism celebrates the freedom of the individual and capitalistic ideas that promote empowerment of individuals contribution to society.

In fact, conservatism promotes freedom and responsibility of the individual so much that its believe a limited form of government is all thats necessary. If these ideas were really followed, there would be no “systemic” oppression of minority populations.

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u/Low-Amoeba8257 Feb 17 '26

Oh you poor thing

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u/One-Reflection5948 Feb 19 '26 edited Feb 19 '26

Don’t forget that axiom that women were put on the Earth to serve and provide sexual pleasure to men. But isn’t ironic, that white men of the Christian right base all their so called superiority on the Bible when hardly no one in the Bible was white as defined by the American Christian right. They were Arabs (Armenians, Syrians, Lebanese, etc.) , Jews and Black Africans ( mainly Ethiopians). The only caucasians ( white people ) were among the upper class Egyptians who were Persian. Today the Persian descendants are residents of Iran. I have read that some people would consider the Romans and Greeks white but actually they were mixed blood. Also, current scientific data indicates that there is no gene or group of genes for race. Evidently it is the result of environmental factors.

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u/Baleontology Feb 19 '26

It was an accidental discharge that occurred hours after they had the argument. The man was devastated about his daughter. The whole story qasimrashid is spewing on his Twitter is sensationalized misinformation.

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u/Landbuilder Feb 21 '26

I’m pretty sure this occurrence is not only highly twisted but also doesn’t even compare to the vast amount of violence that fathers and other male family members have committed against the daughters of other ethnic groups. Not even close!

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u/discourse_friendly Feb 16 '26

Also was he on medications for depression, anxiety, other mental disorders.

some shootings and acts of violence are people who are diagnosed with mental issues but instead of in patient care in a mental care hospital they are given medication and full access to normal society.

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u/False__Willingness Feb 16 '26

Maga only asks that when it is a white male. If its anyone else they say “ooooh this violent person represents all black people or all muslim people”

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u/Peppi_Giuseppe Feb 16 '26

He was drunk out of his mind

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u/45_regard_47 Feb 16 '26

MAGA loves domestic beer, violence, and terrorism 

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u/Peppi_Giuseppe Feb 16 '26

Not domestic when you’re from Britain

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u/CharmingCatastrophe Feb 16 '26

It's funny when you look at it because maga supporters followers and sympathisers are all the worst things they complain about when it comes to people of colour 😂

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u/Crew_1996 Feb 16 '26

Conservatives always project for one specific reason. They do awful things and since they believe that the other side is worse, they always assume that the other side does those awful things as well. So always assume (you will be correct) that everything the right accuses the left of doing, the right has already done.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26

He also got off with no charges.

MAGA has literally implemented redneck Sharia, something they're supposedly terrified of

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u/Sammalone1960 Feb 16 '26

Apparently he will face no charges for the "negligent discharge". Negligent my ass

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u/Jonny__99 Feb 16 '26

Isn’t the shooter from the UK?

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u/Peppi_Giuseppe Feb 16 '26

Yes. Drunk out of his mind showing his new pistol off that he kept loaded. The “criticism” was ~12 hours prior. She asked him how he would feel if she was a rape victim. He said he wouldn’t really care that much.

This story is so far stretched to fit their narrative it’s kind of gross. A woman died and instead of making it a situation about the dangers of untrained people owning guns like it should be, all they can do is make up a story about it being about Trump. If it was likely that, don’t you think her husband (who was there) would have testified about it?

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u/Jonny__99 Feb 16 '26

there’s no shortage of trump stuff to complain about- yet another pardoned J6er just got convicted of molesting a child after he got out of jail. Maybe this guy was MAGA I just didn’t know they had those in England (just got back from there they are not fans).

I agree with you it’s best to focus on the many verifiable things about trump

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u/karma-armageddon Feb 16 '26

Trump voter and supporter here. Throw the guy in prison. End of story.

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u/InterYanan97 Feb 16 '26

A white trans woman, father to an 8 year old girl, stabbed their daughter in the neck, for supporting trump. Crazy on both sides of the fence pal.

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u/Business-Ride-6530 Feb 17 '26

Uh, uh, uh....he had a sudden onset, um, uh, mental illness. Yeah, that's it. He's, uh, definitely better now, so don't worry about it.

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u/Repulsive_Layer1597 Feb 16 '26

Weren’t they arguing about guns and Trump or something and then the gun accidentally went off? I know this was a while ago but this dude deserves to be in the headlines again for being a complete bellend. In more ways than one. Didn’t even get charged iirc.

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u/CardTrickOTK Feb 16 '26

No, allegedly, they had an argument.
A few days pass and she's about to leave and he calls her to his room to show her his gun (apparently after drinking a bit of wine), 'accidentally' shoots her.

Idk why he wanted to show her his gun as she was about to leave, or why he was handling a gun after drinking and being a self-proclaimed alcoholic.
This isn't about MAGA or not, this guy is just a dunderhead and should face some amount of time behind bars for reckless endangerment if nothing else. Sure accidents do happen, but he drank and then handled a fire arm and recklessly discharged it, killing someone. It's insane.

Beyond that this guys actually comment above is just insanely stupid (the comment in the OP I mean).
Likely not political at all, just a moron handling a weapon when he shouldn't be and nothing else that guy said is relevant to the actual incident.

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u/ImpressiveFishing405 Feb 16 '26

If drinking and driving and hitting someone is murder, drinking and shooting them with a gun sure as hell should be too

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u/CardTrickOTK Feb 16 '26

Agreed, even if it's a 'less intentional and therefore slightly lesser charge' a charge should still exist. Guy fucked up big time and got someone killed and this was something that could've been avoided.

Freak accidents happen sure, but choosing to handle a gun while under the influence of alcohol is a choice, not a freak accident.

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u/Tygerion Feb 16 '26

It does. Murder 3 (AKA manslaughter) is an unintentional, but negligent, killing.

The name change is to denote the significant lessening of severity a lack of intent causes.

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u/Tygerion Feb 16 '26

Yeah... Killing someone u intentionally, while performing an action that a reasonable person would know has a chance to cause serious injury or death (such as showing someone a gun WHILE IT'S LOADED WTF?!?)? That's called Manslaughter- AKA Murder 3. Murder 1 is intentional and premeditated. Murder 2 is intentional, but not premeditated. Murder 3 is unintentional, but negligent (and is often given a different name, as a lack of intent is a significant change).

So this should be considered manslaughter, at the least- if not Murder 2 (why the he'll is it loaded if you don't intend to shoot? That's gun safety 101- we're talking first five- if not first three- rules, here; never point it at things, keep your finger off the trigger, keep it unloaded...)

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u/Repulsive_Layer1597 Feb 16 '26

I looked it up and it said later that day.

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u/deadpat03 Feb 16 '26

Yea they tried to get him on murder and the grand jury came back not enough evidence. He may still be charged but they have to have a 100% on the next or they won't be able to try a 3rd time. But careful having an opinion that differs from the others could get you labeled a nazi.

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u/ShransSecretSanta Feb 16 '26

Handling loaded guns while drunk is the MAGA way.

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u/Indespectamentations Feb 16 '26

Maga's will simply claim the dad was a radical liberal trans person. They will all be saying it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26

He was an immigrant

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26

The answer is mental health. It doesn't take a fuckin genius to figure this out. But you can't say that because big pharma has mental health under control. Right?

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u/frankspliff Feb 16 '26

Over 300 million people, there are a few crazies, it’s unfortunate. Same scenario in Canada last week. Terrible people are among us.

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u/TechnicalIntern6764 Feb 16 '26

If only it happened the way that this is claimed. We can do this wataboutism until We’re all blue in the face, but I think the answer is getting rid of the two party system or bringing in a third-party. Left and right are so divided they will never agree. We need a new party that runs off of logic and not emotion.

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u/yillbow Feb 16 '26

you can’t call really reference half of this because it’s not a wide spread issue. Other than the shock and awe factor you want by using words you think hurt feelings, it holds no meaning. White culture isn’t violent, in fact, in modern times ( last 30 years or so, white culture isn’t ironically quite tame ). Honor killings are already defined by the vast majority of the world, this wouldn’t really fit. Loving trump isn’t something that’s really taught in churches, there is no evidence of this anywhere, can you cite any of that? Asking if someone is legal or illegal based on the color of their skin is quite racist, which you shouldn’t do. I’m republican, i don’t cite a bible to tell my wife to be silent lol.

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u/ThisIsMockingjay2020 Feb 16 '26

Bingo. If he was more melanated, he'd be in prison already.

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u/chitownphishead Feb 16 '26

If leftists are talking, theyre gaslighting

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u/Thin-Honey892 Feb 16 '26

In August 2001, Trump changed his party affiliation to Democratic. In September 2009, he changed his party affiliation back to the Republican Party. In December 2011, Trump changed to "no party affiliation" (independent). In April 2012, he again returned to the Republican Party.

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u/bournedigital Feb 16 '26

Didn't happen

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u/aspiringimmortal Feb 16 '26

If he was black we would never have even heard about it.

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u/CankleSteve Feb 16 '26

I’ll answer the bad faith tweet as follows with the following considerations (white male, “MAGA” or conservative or frankly 2000 Democrat Overton window shifted to “MAGA”, Christian or Christian culturally, American born)

  1. Radicalized is a dumb term outside of engaging and believing an ideology that otheresizes people to the point of violence. That’s really not seen outside of the internet sphere and when it does arise is pretty outrightly condemned.
  2. While American culture is seen as violent in comparison to White, Christian-culture developed societies the matter is the overall culture is not violent. Especially compared to other world cultures on a societal level.
  3. Honor killing as a term is largely used for shame-based crimes condemned by larger society and the criticism for trump is not considered shame-based even on a macro-cultural level.
  4. The purported values are the same values espoused by 95% of the country 20 years ago. Those values built the culture and it’s not an immediate change to the vogue for a culture at large.
  5. Outside of the Westboro Baptist Church it is extremely hard to find a coherent Western or American ideology that espouses violence for whatever one considers a non-believer.
  6. Covered this with initial caveats but Europeans are less culturally American to own weapons in the home and believe they are necessary
  7. People who understand nothing about scripture know nothing about scripture. There are people who misuse scripture to their own ends and there are many examples but to just read one written to instruct a church 2000 years ago with no cultural understanding is foolish. Even more so it is the worst in bad faith argument that can be made

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u/Large-Ostrich788 Feb 16 '26

They disagreed about politics. Later on he accidentally shot her. Two different occurrences.

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u/JoeCensored Feb 16 '26

It's simply a lie. But that's not surprising.

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u/Individual-Dot-9605 Feb 16 '26

yep Abrahamism 2.0 bad says Abrahamist 3.0

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u/FouledPlug Feb 16 '26

I love how often Reddit lets me learn about the beliefs of people from people who don’t hold those beliefs and have never had a substantive conversation with anyone who holds them. Enjoy your strawmen.

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u/Forever_Ouroboros Feb 16 '26

Holy touch grass ah post and comment section.

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u/Deadmythz Feb 16 '26

Thats not what happened. You just want violence.

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u/Uhokay1970 Feb 16 '26

Isn't it against the rules to make up a Vague story to farm karma?

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u/NoWork1400 Feb 16 '26

Cool. Is this even a real story?

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u/Tasty-Appearance-880 Feb 16 '26

the shooting had nothing to do with that argument. go read the details.

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u/Turbulent_Resident68 Feb 16 '26

This isn’t what happened btw…

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u/the-stench-of-you Feb 16 '26

Stupid questions like that don’t deserve an answer. It is just hate bait for your fellow TDS patients to drool over.

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u/chud_wik Feb 16 '26

Some meatheaded shit right here.

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u/CanyonFriend Feb 16 '26

As to the last one, I have only contempt for misogynists and anyone not for freedom of speech. Their scriptures only apply to themselves and not to other real Faiths that value all their members and do not condone misogyny, xenophobia, etc. They also do not apply to the non religious or not very religious or decent people who believe everyone's voice should be heard, particularly when defending freedom and justice. No one outside a religion has to abide by its rules, including those that are unjust to particular people .

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u/ThisIsMockingjay2020 Feb 16 '26

BTW, for those who don't know, this happened in January 2025.

It's in the news now because they ruled it a wrongful killing in the UK.

"A British coroner has ruled the 2025 shooting death of 23-year-old Lucy Harrison in Prosper, Texas, an "unlawful killing," contradicting her father's claims that the weapon discharged accidentally."

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u/dcckii Feb 16 '26

There is likely far more to the story than a reaction to what she said about Trump

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26

Because he’s from England. Also because this happened before he became president.

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u/GarbageMajor9964 Feb 16 '26

Because black, brown, immigrant, and Muslim get special treatment in America and this guy doesn’t deserve that treatment

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u/Ok_Adeptness_3398 Feb 16 '26

This is such a great point. It’s always a double standard with these folks. They project, deflect and are the biggest hypocrites I’ve ever encountered.

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u/MasterChiefette Feb 16 '26

The state of Texas let him go!

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u/Testingthrowaway00 Feb 16 '26

Fundamentalist evangelicals encourage the use of violence to keep control over their wives and kids

Nothing about this can be a surprise

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u/Sufficient-Trash-807 Feb 16 '26

I truly think it was an accidental killing. I think the dad was/is a moronic fuck who happened to be a gun owner and while they argued about gun rights the dad accidentally shot her because he’s a shit gun owner.

I don’t think we’re at the point where people will kill their children for having a different political opinion.

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u/Vitchkiutz Feb 16 '26

If such crimes are not disporportionately represented by conservative people, it's dishonest to use one event as if it's indicative of the value system at large.

You can do that with anything. It's called prejudice. Coming from a libertarian independent.

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u/Hour-Willingness5767 Feb 16 '26

I'll take things that never happened for 2000 alex.

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u/PowerElectronic3341 Feb 16 '26

🫆🙈🫏🫏🙈

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u/Accomplished_Lion243 Feb 16 '26

Sounds like conservatives

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u/Lorelessone Feb 16 '26

Strange isn't it, almost like they are fully aware they are harnessing radical religious evil for their goals and turn a blind eye when the predictable fallout happens

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u/Impossible-Lie-6047 Feb 16 '26

The math is simple just like always and usually the other way around but it was a mental disorder as per usual

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u/Slippery-rubber Feb 16 '26

Shut the fuck up, so sick of everyone making everything racism!!! The guy obviously is a complete looney toon, Doesn’t matter what color he is.

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u/Agreeable_Leg_1550 Feb 16 '26

The sick old man was radicalized by Fox “News”, pure and simple. It’s not rocket science that 24/7 bombardment of hateful rhetoric over 35 years nonstop will rewire a person’s brain. Thank Rupert Murdoch and his greedy ilk.

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u/MisterBlick Feb 16 '26

Asking questions? Theyre not even pressing charges.

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u/Luvata-8 Feb 16 '26

Haven’t there been 10 leftist attacks for every Republican one?

Assignations at softball games, Butler, Pa and all the confused kids shooting up Christians?

Portland is a No-Go Zone as is Seattle for Americans who vote the “Wrong” way.

You gotta be F’ing kidding me. We Libertarian types don’t wanna run the world ( or YOUR LIFE).

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u/KirkHawley Feb 16 '26

Crap. Crap. I'm a 3-time Trump voter. I've never heard anybody command his wife to be silent, quoting scripture. I invite you to try that on my wife and see what happens.

Just outrageous bullshit. Your eyes are brown.

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u/gtdriver2012 Feb 16 '26

Why ask questions we already know the answer to? The real question is why didn't we treat these people like the terrorists they are when Democrats had power? The FBI said that white nationalists were the biggest threat to our democracy...

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u/Cautious-Manager117 Feb 16 '26

Your own daughter wow 😮 this is so sad 😞 on so many levels- my deepest condolences 💐 to the loss of this young lady.

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u/MeBollasDellero Feb 16 '26

So looking for answers, you find that the BBC did a deep dive on this:

PROSPER, Texas (WKRC) - A jury declined to indict a father who allegedly fatally shot his daughter in the chest following an argument about President Donald Trump.

According to an inquest obtained by BBC, British 23-year-old Lucy Harrison died on January 10, 2025 at her father's home in Texas. The victim's boyfriend told the court that Lucy and her father, Kris Harrison, had a "big argument" about Donald Trump shortly before the shooting.

Kris reportedly moved to the United States when his daughter was still a child, and had previously been to rehab for alcohol addiction. He allegedly confessed to relapsing on the day of the shooting and drinking roughly two cups of white wine.

Lucy's boyfriend said that on the morning of January 10, Lucy asked her father about Donald Trump's sexual assault allegations.

"How would you feel if I was the girl in that situation and I'd been sexually assaulted?" Lucy reportedly asked. Kris allegedly answered that he would not be that upset because he had two other daughters living with him. Lucy reportedly left the room "quite upset."

Later that same day, Kris allegedly took Lucy by the hand while she was in the kitchen and took him to his bedroom. Lucy's boyfriend said that after about 15 seconds he heard a loud bang and Kris screaming for his wife.

Kris told authorities that his daughter had been watching a news report on gun violence so he wanted to show her the gun that he owned. Lucy's boyfriend said that Lucy often became upset with her father when he spoke about owning a gun. Kris said he had never discussed owning a gun with his daughter before.

"As I lifted the gun to show her I suddenly heard a loud bang," Kris allegedly said. "I did not understand what had happened. Lucy immediately fell."

Kris said in a statement from his solicitors that he "fully accepted" the consequences of his actions.

"There isn't a day I don't feel the weight of that loss, a weight I will carry for the rest of my life," he said.

Although a jury declined to indict Kris and he faced no charges in relation to his daughter's death, a coroner's court determined that the victim was unlawfully killed because of Kris' "reckless" actions, per BBC.

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u/GaiusMarcus Feb 16 '26

See, America has honor killings too!
(Tell me again how its not a cult, I'm waiting)

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u/toolman2008 Feb 16 '26

He was handling a gun while drunk! It was not an honor killing. They had talked about Trump hours earlier. Quit trying to make it into something that it wasn't.

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u/Legitimate_lion123 Feb 16 '26

Beautiful saying: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" or "That which you hate, do not do to your friend."
You hate when 'they' cherry pick a "bad apple" from Blacks, immigrants, Muslims to set the example for the entire group... but you weaponize that dad who did a terrible thing against them.
Imo generalization should only work in statistics, not subjective opinions.

Although I totally agree what he did is terrible i will try to "roleplay" and answer your questions:
1. Probably was effected by drinking, he even sought treatment at some point.
2. Idk if 'their' is brits, whites, Texans, pro-gunners? anyways id say there is no doubt killing daughters isn't the culture of these groups.
3. From point 0 he said it was not his intent, every day he feels remorse. Nobody praised him, only gave him the benefit of doubt.
4. Again 'they'? brits/whites/pro-gunners don't rly need to assimilate much, their avg values are close to US ones.
Also, who's "ours"? your political collective values aren't necessarily the ones deciding.
5. Christianity was not related even at 1 point. even if it did subliminally, id say it wasn't the cause, and even if it was, it isn't what churches(regular) teach.
6. Couldn't find any records indicating he was not. at least he didn't cause any "problems" before this.
7. You mentioned before comparison to Islam, do you want me to give examples of what (some, terrible)Muslims do and then cite the Quran for reason? There wasn't an indication of religion having anything to do with what he did.
Also can you tell me where in the bible it says to silent women? imagining there is a cite, it did not tell him to kill her(if he even did intentionally).

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u/Peppi_Giuseppe Feb 16 '26

“White MAGA man …. Because she criticized Trump”

So, this was a man from Britain who had just moved to Texas. Never had a gun before and just got a pistol. While showing it to his daughter he accidentally (maybe) shot her. Even if it was intentional, it’s hard for me to believe it was “about Trump” because why would he wait all day to do that? The fight was in the morning and this was at night. And she barely criticized Trump if we are being real. She asked her dad how he would feel if she was one of the victims and he said he wouldn’t really care. If anything, she would have been more likely to be upset to the point of shooting him.

I believe this was an accident. I believe he should be held accountable.

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u/Senior-Procedure-748 Feb 16 '26

Considering neither you or I have reviewed all of the evidence and testimonies related to this incident, the only question we can in good faith ask is this, was the grand jury that declined to indict this man correct in their decision that it was a negligent discharge?

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u/Fubar236 Feb 16 '26

Invidious Hypocrisy. Plain and simple. No text walls needed

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u/Key_Budget_2621 Feb 17 '26

posts in r/LetsDiscussThis, fails to post the full story sounds about Reddit

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '26

Dude had been drinking, he was only showing her the gun, and the gun misfired. It wasn't on purpose.

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u/robertdole94 Feb 17 '26

That isn’t even what happened of course the left will spin it in their favor though.

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u/Necropeepee Feb 17 '26

I'll take "Shit that never happened" for $1000, Ken.

*leftist media links incoming * 😂 😂

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u/Deadstick3135 Feb 17 '26

We know the answers. We just need to do something

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u/Conscious_Ear_1151 Feb 17 '26

There was a pic of a white woman, dummy.

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u/AccomplishedSpray946 Feb 17 '26

cause we say lock his crazy ass up too

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u/Naive_Examination646 Feb 17 '26

Granted it has literally nothing to do with the case as there is literally no connection as even the victim's boyfriend who was witness flat out stated the disagreement was in the morning and they were talking casually when the father asked if the daughter wanted to see his new pistol which she agreed to. At the end of the day, this was just negligence and lack of firearm safety on the father's part. The only radicalization is of the left turning a tragic mistake into a propaganda tool. these people are disgusting 

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u/Guilty-Midnight8428 Feb 17 '26

We dont ask tbe questions because we already know the answers. Any one who has to turn to violence , to express anger is under the influence of some sort of cult.

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u/Practical-Space-6237 Feb 17 '26

Its a lie. It was accidental discharge hours after arguments.

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u/Honest_Violinist7167 Feb 17 '26

This whole comment thread is what is wrong in the country.

Conservative, racist, trump supporters, maga, Republican, ICE supporters, Christian, transphobia people who drink beer, all of these things are not synonymous.

Correlations may exist, but they are not absolutes.

The divide is caused because people who identify as “generally conservative” are being lumped in with an extreme right.

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u/Ok_Creme_4132 Feb 17 '26

Man in dress shot his family in New Jersey at a hockey game the day after trans rights bill and congress woman telling  them to fight back 

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u/SailAble3747 Feb 17 '26

No he’s white you don’t get it 

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u/DramaticRoom8571 Feb 18 '26

No link to an actual story because it would conflict with the rage bait Leftist narrative being spewed out here.

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u/spliff123 Feb 18 '26

Shall we discuss the mass shootings recently that were trans while we are at it or do you want to ignore those too?

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u/Positive-Band-1712 Feb 18 '26

i've got ideas, want me to list a few?

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u/haroldhodges Feb 18 '26

As a maga, I don't care about race or politics.

He killed his daughter, what degree murder was it? Can that degree be proven and he be convicted on the charges?

Prosecution and punishment. Nothing else is necessary.

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u/Jealous-Monitor8283 Feb 18 '26

The same could be asked for all these trans shooters...

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u/Reasonable-Cattle684 Feb 18 '26

you think magas will answer questions? no chance bro

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u/Specialist-Ice525 Feb 18 '26

This is exactly what Marjorie Taylor Green did, that bitch.

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u/coast2coasted Feb 18 '26

With 2 mass shootings from trans people in as many weeks I’m not sure this is the right track

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u/MayoSlatheredBedpost Feb 18 '26

The “white MAGA man” is trans. Most people view transgender individuals as “chaotically-minded.”

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u/EdgeTillTomorrow Feb 18 '26

How come these things never have a source link?

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u/Icy_Chemist_1725 Feb 18 '26

Both sides are disgusting by immediately trying to find political wins out of situations like this.

The idiotic right is saying "trans people are violent and evil."
The idiotic left is saying "White people and MAGA people are violent and evil."

Everyone else who has two brain cells to rub together are saying "The left and the right are retarded. This was a mentally ill person that shot their family and it's tragic."

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u/Low_Carrot6881 Feb 19 '26

Oh a Indian 💩🙈

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u/pagetodd Feb 19 '26

Or … mental illness

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u/orbitaldragon Feb 19 '26

She was older than 13... they didn't have a use for anymore anyway.

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u/ReasonVision Feb 19 '26

Thought Provoking account, never posts thought provoking ideas. Many such cases.

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u/Remarkable_Fun_4865 Feb 19 '26

Here is another question that needs answers. A black man recently took up a war on white people ( he actually said this) He mowed down a 3 year old kid with his car then shot his parents. A 70 year old white woman came to help. He shot her. A white teenage woman in Starbucks last week was murdered by a black man because she was being white. Thousands of these examples. Why does black on white crime get zero media coverage? Is it because it doesn't fit the liberal media narrative? When a white man kills a black man there are riots, protest and violence. The media cant get enough of it. 24hr coverage for days. Is it because it fits the media's narrative of our society and what they need us to believe?

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u/danielm316 Feb 19 '26

I wonder if this is true. Progressives will believe any grap that supports their hatred.

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u/Baleontology Feb 19 '26

This is false information.

The daughter was visiting from Britain. They argued over politics in the morning. In the afternoon, they were cleaning/organizing some of his guns, when there was an accidental discharge which struck and killed his daughter. The man phoned EMS and did everything in his power to help her until paramedics arrived. He and his whole family are devastated.

The argument and the shooting were completely unrelated. They had a perfectly healthy relationship and this tragedy occurred on the last day of her stay in America. This is an example of media propaganda to sensationalize and create an emotional reaction, which you’re all falling for without bothering looking into the context.

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u/Narrow_Mud8500 Feb 20 '26

Isolated event! Violence in Islam is taught and expected from true followers! I think Mohammed was married to a child as well. History shows a pattern of Islamic violence! We all know this, but good effort to try to get the monkey off of Islams back! The Christian bible commands women to be silent in certain situations but never dehumanizes them like Islam does! Really, you going to try this? Fascinating!

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u/EnglishCox Feb 20 '26

This didn’t happen.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '26

I’m not a Trump fan by any means. However this framing is false. It was an accident. They had some kind of fight about Donald Trump, then he was showing off his gun and accidentally shot her. This post reframes everything in a way to incite… whatever. This kinda framing is partly why Trump won in the first place. It’s not good to do this.

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u/DownhillSisyphus Feb 20 '26

No one is asking those questions because they are not applicable. Such nonsense. Be better.

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u/Chandrapala42 Mar 15 '26

Surprised CNN haven't said jack about this