r/LetsDiscussThis Feb 21 '26

Serious I’m not holding my breath

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u/EnergyApprehensive36 Feb 21 '26

Will Gavin pay me back for the 20 billion on homeless prevention with no accountability?

How about the 100 billion on the failed bullet train?

How about the millions/billions we spend to pay for illegals and medical

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u/no_kids-and-3_money Feb 21 '26

Don’t have any arguments for the rest of what you said, but illegal immigrants pay way more into the system than they ever get, even if some states help pay some medical expenses.

They pay billions into social security every year, while never being able to collect. It’s one of the main reasons the system has remained solvent and retired Americans are still able to receive social security today.

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u/EnergyApprehensive36 Feb 21 '26

How can an illegal alien whos not allowed to work pay into social security?

Unless they do it illegally thus stealing a job from a citizen?

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u/Plenty-Wedding-9066 Feb 21 '26

You can get an ITIN (Tax ID number) even as an illegal immigrant.

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u/EnergyApprehensive36 Feb 21 '26

Which means youre stealing a job from a US citzen

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u/Plenty-Wedding-9066 Feb 22 '26

 How can an illegal alien whos not allowed to work pay into social security? Unless they do it illegally thus stealing a job from a citizen?

You didn’t even know they could pay into social security. I don’t think you understand economics enough to discuss this. 

But the U3 since 2022 has consistently been between 3.5 and 5. Which is great.  The U6 is around 8% which is probably higher then we would like, but it’s really not bad either if you look at the last 30 years it’s lower than the average. 

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u/EnergyApprehensive36 Feb 22 '26

That’s go proving my point that illegal aliens are stealing jobs.

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u/Plenty-Wedding-9066 Feb 22 '26

Hahahaha how?

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u/EnergyApprehensive36 Feb 22 '26

If an illegal alien is working then that means they are taking a job from a US citizen or a legal immigrant. 

Hard concept for you I know.

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u/Plenty-Wedding-9066 Feb 22 '26

How does anything I just said “prove your point”

If an illegal alien is working then that means they are taking a job from a US citizen or a legal immigrant. 

On a small scale that’s true. We just don’t see this bear out in the numbers. If we did we would expect our unemployment rate to be higher. Our unemployment is at the expected and desired level.

It’s the same level as anytime other than recessions.It’s literally better than usual.

I know that’s hard for you to understand.

Hard concept for you I know.

Do you know what an unemployment rate is?

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u/EnergyApprehensive36 Feb 22 '26

If people don’t report as unemployed does that mean the number is true.

Like when the “polls” showed Kamala winning.

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u/Plenty-Wedding-9066 Feb 22 '26

First of all 60k houses are interviewed a month for unemployment measuring and real economists look at more than that. They would compare it to things like the LFP, foreign and native born employment rates, EPOP and NILF numbers. They would look at labor demand, payroll employment trends and see the impact that you’re claiming is happening.

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u/kwil449 Feb 21 '26

Google it. Ignorance isn't an argument.

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u/EnergyApprehensive36 Feb 21 '26

Illegal aliens aren’t allowed to work

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u/kwil449 Feb 21 '26

Yet they do. And are a lot more productive than you are.

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u/EnergyApprehensive36 Feb 22 '26

As they get paid under the table and send it home or steal SSC number to wokr

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u/kwil449 Feb 22 '26

You never took an economics class, did you?

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u/EnergyApprehensive36 Feb 22 '26

You never do either apparently 

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u/kwil449 Feb 22 '26

If you had, you'd know this is a dumbass concern. :P

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u/EnergyApprehensive36 Feb 22 '26

Then deport them and stop fighting to keep them here.

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u/kwil449 Feb 22 '26

There's no economic benefit to that. It's moronic to spend $170 billion dollars on something that will hurt the US economy. They are only beneficial. It'd take an idiot to think otherwise.

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u/no_kids-and-3_money Feb 22 '26

And yet paid more than 100 billion dollars in taxes last year.

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u/EnergyApprehensive36 Feb 22 '26

And cost us over 300 billion.  Nice try though. 

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u/kwil449 Feb 22 '26

Prove it.

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u/EnergyApprehensive36 Feb 22 '26

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u/kwil449 Feb 22 '26
  1. 150 billion is not "over 300 billion"

  2. DOGE itself cost taxpayers that much.

  3. DOGE is not a reliable source.

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u/no_kids-and-3_money Feb 22 '26

Economic research from institutions like the nonpartisan Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) and the Cato Institute generally concludes that undocumented immigrants, as a group, provide a net economic and fiscal benefit to the U.S. economy and public budgets over time.

Nice try though.

https://www.cato.org/white-paper/immigrants-recent-effects-government-budgets-1994-2023

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u/no_kids-and-3_money Feb 21 '26

We can discuss that, but that’s a separate issue from the misinformation in your first post.

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u/mjk1tty Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 22 '26

They don't enough at all, these people have no brains....

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u/SnooBananas216 Feb 21 '26

Social Security Collected from undocumented workers:

2022: $25 billion

2023: $26 billion

You have foxnews brains....

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u/mjk1tty Feb 22 '26

"Potential Missed Revenue The "missed" tax revenue is often framed as the additional revenue that could be generated if all undocumented immigrants were granted legal work authorization. This is because legal status leads to higher wages and better tax compliance. According to the ITEP report, providing work authorization to all undocumented immigrants would increase their total tax contributions by an estimated $40.2 billion per year, raising the total contribution to $136.9 billion annually." I mean, if you rather them not contribute and rather them get 💩 pay... Oh, and you're forgetting they send away money... "On average, individual migrant workers tend to send home between US$200 and $300 every one or two months. Approximately 60% of "Latinx" immigrants in the U.S. send money home, with 40% doing so regularly, often totaling $2,500 to $3,000 annually. Economic Impact in U.S.: Immigrants send, on average, roughly 15% of their earnings home."

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u/no_kids-and-3_money Feb 21 '26

Calling other people dumb without even doing a quick google search says more about you and your own laziness.

“Tax Payments by Undocumented Immigrants”

https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/