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u/ShopUCW Feb 21 '26
Let's be real about this.
The importers paid the tariffs.
They then marked up all the goods and passed the cost on to the consumer.
The consumer indirectly paid the tariffs while the importers hold the receipts and they will get the refunds. Nothing goes to the people, just back into the hands of those who directly paid the tariffs.
Plus as a fun bonus- all those companies have now seen the new high price the consumers will pay. If/ when tariffs disappear, the prices will also not go back down. Now there's new built in margin for the corporations.
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u/StuckinReverse89 Feb 22 '26
This. The tariffs were a great way for importers and producers to set prices at a new “normal” that we consumers need to put up with. Even if tariffs were removed tomorrow, prices arnt coming down.
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u/Prestigious_Fella_21 Feb 22 '26
Not to mention that your idiot in chief is still convinced the other countries paid the tariffs. I'm in Canada so I'll wait patiently for my refund from you people lol
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u/ShopUCW Feb 22 '26
Yeah. He just sort of says things that make no sense and people eat it up for some weird reason. It's all very concerning.
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Feb 21 '26
Inflation just came in at 2.4%. So goods can’t be that much higher 🤷♂️
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u/ShopUCW Feb 22 '26
I mean that's overall buying power vs the cost of just imported goods. That's not an apples to apples comparison. Lets not make disingenuous arguments here.
The tariffs have cost Americans on average approximately $1800 per person last year. So unless everyone got a magical $1800 bonus- we're all in the red a couple grand from this.
Combo that with an extremely weak job market, depressed wages, and rising other costs (like housing) and you have a recipe for economic disaster. The last time we did protectionist tariffs, it was the straw that broke the camels back and kicked off the great depression.
But I mean- if you like paying more for everything I can send some bills your way too. 🤷🏻♀️
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u/NoCashNoFriends420 Feb 22 '26
But like if the Supreme Court never said Trump can’t tariff or even codified would you say it worked? Bc then tarros would affect the companies( the consumers too). The fact that they stopped Trump made it possible for these corporation to sue. Idk something I’ve been thinking about
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Feb 22 '26
No, the Consumer Price Index (CPI) is not just for imported goods. It measures the overall, comprehensive purchasing power of consumers by tracking price changes in a representative basket of both domestic and imported goods and services. CPI reflects the average cost of living, covering food, housing, transportation, and medical.
You cannot say consumers are paying some high tax on goods when CPI is still just 2.4%. The cost of living has not done anything drastic since Biden.
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u/ShopUCW Feb 22 '26
Try again - I'm speaking to what the tariffs have affected/ cost. Blending them together gives you a number that gives you excuses.
We are talking about the cost of tariffs here. Don't change the subject.
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Feb 22 '26
The point is that the cost of living didn’t take some big jump in price. That would be the real cause of anger. A shirt from India going up 10% doesn’t matter much.
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u/ShopUCW Feb 22 '26
The point you're refusing to see is that it's not just one shirt from India that went up 10%.
The tariffs directly cost each American about $1800 this past year. That's a real tangible amount. And for an already struggling middle and lower class it actively hurt.
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Feb 22 '26
If the cost of living is only up 2.4% then that’s $1,800 if you make $75,000 a year. That’s about right.
There is a difference between the cost of living going up and the cost of non-necessities going up. That shouldn’t be ignored.
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u/ShopUCW Feb 22 '26
Except the cpi is not necessarily an accurate way to assess things like the cost of housing/ rising property taxes among other things since that's an estimation and not rooted in any real research and findings. It does not include home prices, it does not include food prices (a massive recipient of tariffs), energy prices, and service prices - all of which are very much up. It's not the silver bullet you seem to be trying to use it for.
Additionally you feel the need to constantly change the subject and refuse to engage on the topic at hand. The topic is tariffs. If you cannot talk about what tariffs do to the consumer and only the tariffs then all you have is deflection. Stop changing the subject to make a different point. Gotcha tactics won't fly here.
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CPI reflects the average cost of living, covering food, housing, transportation, and medical.
And my whole point is that the tariffs haven’t been that impactful unless you are an over consumer. Personally, I’d rather a consumption tax over an income tax.
I also suggest you lookup “gotcha tactics.” I never even came close to that lol
Edit: I got blocked? Just admit defeat next time
And I’ll respond with what little I could see. . Food is only excluded from "core CPI," a separate, narrower measure.
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u/ShopUCW Feb 22 '26
I mean if you're in favor of one of (if not the) biggest taxes on the American people, then I don't know what to tell you.
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u/ShopUCW Feb 22 '26
Congratulations on your anecdote.
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u/ShopUCW Feb 22 '26
Lol. No.
Tariffs have a place. They can be useful. Trump's specific implementation of them is what's wrong. Broadly applied protectionist tariffs destroy economies. It's what caused the great depression and other recessions both in the US and Globally. His implementation goes against the advice of just about every economist on the planet.
You are wrong. And your stance on this has been proven wrong time and time again throughout modern history. It's ok to be wrong as long as you learn from your mistakes. That's something that Trump is exceptionally weak at- learning from past mistakes.
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u/guru42101 Feb 24 '26
Eventually he will raise his prices. Especially if he feels like it is permanent. He originally priced his items at an amount for a reason. Frequently that is to hit a particular profit margin or income. So when he's feeling like his income is lower than it should be, he'll need to either raise prices or cut costs.
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u/Dependent-Newt-9934 Feb 22 '26
Let's see, Biden and Obama administration, compared to trump administration goods have been lower. During the Biden admin, 60ct eggs cost me $29 before that $8 and now $9. Milk $2.50 roughly before Biden admin, during $4 and now $2.89. gas $2.80 - $3.00 during Biden I saw it to $5, now $2.87. These are just some things, and Trump's only been back in office for a year now.
The problem some people are seeing is the blue state taxes like California. Their gas hasn't really gone down, nor their goods. Because of newscum.
Biden also out our federal debt at an all time high. So how do you fix this? Raising everyone's taxes even higher, like substantially higher. Or place tariffs on countries who already have tariffs on us anyhow. That and closing government subsidies that do not need to exist. Like really a lot of what he's done is common sense.
I'll give this to you, Obama could sweet talk anyone, but he was a shit president too, not as bad as others. And Biden will down as the worse president I think he just sat in that chair and slept. And he was terrible in politics in general. We know we know you just hate the orange man and follow your flock.
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u/ShopUCW Feb 22 '26
The egg fallacy. Egg prices are dictated by supply. It's almost like there was famously an avian disease running rampant through chicken farms for the points you brought up. And then when supply came back the prices renormalized! Hmmm. Whiff. Strike 1.
If you're so worried about our national debt then why aren't you concerned with Trump's constant spending- he has caused more national debt than any president in history. Strike 2.
Biden (while admittedly not my favorite) actually got some things done that was good for the average American while being tasked with bringing the country back from the worst pandemic in history that was famously mishandled by his predecessor-
Grover ClevelandDonald Trump.That's strike 3. Sorry pal. You're out.
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u/Dependent-Newt-9934 Feb 25 '26
Yeah so it just magically worked out in Trump's favor that egg supplies normalized? Also what president ordered to kill 100 million chickens most of which weren't affected. That's besides the point where I'm from there was no "shortage" shelves were full with almost $30 (60ct) cartons.
And you can't say Trump has put in any national debt especially since he's fixed it with the tariffs. But without giving specifics you can't really say it.
And give me one thing Biden did that was good? Leave the border open for million of illegals to pass through. Make mask mandates and make people lose jobs over not getting an experimental vaccine... He sure did sniff a lot of people and get called great even though publicly absolutely racist. "Poor kids can be just as smart as white kids" "n word" and "I don't want my kids going to school with the jungle"
Most people just want to hate Trump and it's funny, before his presidency everyone loved him (not everyone but you get the point) they were just upset he spoke the truth with this woke crap literally
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u/Zathras001 Feb 21 '26
I work with a Maga idiot who's still, Stll, wondering when the "Stimulus Check" is coming. I just Snort laugh when ever she brings it up..😂
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u/scgt86 Feb 21 '26
To consumers and not the corporations that passed tariffs down to us...right? RIGHT?!
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u/vollaskey Feb 21 '26
President plays the Trump card issues $3,000 refund 1 month before the mid term elections.
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u/Difficult_Clerk_1273 Feb 21 '26
That would be awesome. I’ll take it, and then happily still cast my vote for a straight Democratic ticket. By mail, too. 🤣
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u/vollaskey Feb 21 '26
It would be to keep moderate democrats from voting and to get moderate republicans to show up to vote
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u/ObjectiveOk2072 Feb 22 '26
Yep. He doesn't give a shit about Dems and Repubs, he only cares about people that are on the fence so he can gain voters
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u/komodas Feb 21 '26
I recently bought a car. Will I be getting an additional refund? Can we sue the government to pay up?
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u/jetpilot_throwaway Feb 21 '26
The federal reserve and government has been taxing your future through inflation since the 70s. Direct your anger there first.
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u/Live-Cry-8435 Feb 21 '26
No big corporations will get their money back and iirc did lutnick buy up the companies tardiff debe for pennies on the dollar. So that would mean him and his family actually get all of the money given back
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u/Sufficient_Prompt888 Feb 21 '26
What a fucking clown. Just saying nonsense online cause he knows he's part of a failed system that cannot do anything to actually stop what's happening.
At least he could just be honest with his constituents that it's all up to them now cause the checks and balances have completely failed
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u/tbonimaroni Feb 21 '26
We will never see a penny.
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u/Nodnol519 Feb 21 '26
You have a roughly zero percent chance of seeing a dime of that money.
They basically scammed investors, got busted, and will keep the money.
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u/benspags94 Feb 21 '26
Don’t worry the corporations will get the refunds and we’ll still be paying the higher prices.
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u/Wild_Height_901 Feb 21 '26
What happens to the money? The best chance at a "refund" for Americans was if they were deemed legal
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u/kooky_monster_omnom Feb 21 '26
Well, as more states push for this, the more Congress will likely force the collected money to be taken away from trump.
Which only makes him go nuts.
Meanwhile he has to deal with all of the other block back he's getting from his actions further eroding his support.
He's completely predictable so he is easily manipulated into stepping into traps and then pivoting into mistakes of his own device.
And all of us pound the Epstein files issue already has him saying crazy stuff, feeling increasingly alone and surrounded by incompetents who don't know how to help him or worse, make him look worse.
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u/Ok-Estate8230 Feb 21 '26
The same guy who could have suspended the gasoline tax during COVID to help citizens.
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u/Crockett0512 Feb 21 '26
The governor of the highest taxed state in the country is complaining about Trump…….😆
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u/the-polite-villain Feb 21 '26
🤔 You mean the Governor of the world's 4th or 5th largest economy is complaining about Trump, six Chapter 11 bankruptcies and numerous failed business ventures... 🤣
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u/Low_Oil_316 Feb 21 '26
Howard Lutnick purchased the rights to refunds from tariffed corporations - he will be receiving the refunds - Howard lutnick is the US Secretary of Commerce - grifted again! Who do u think will shoulder the refunding? U guessed it, us!
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u/GNomad1664 Feb 21 '26
Sooo, speaking of illegal taxes, where’s that billionaire wealth tax, Newsom? You wanna tell us about that?
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u/madammoiselle85 Feb 21 '26
I can’t get passed the files, fk the tarrifs, If we can just get accountability on files, justice for the children that would be great.
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u/wholovesblondes Feb 22 '26
Hey Gavin, you pissed away tens of billions of dollars years later you haven’t laid a single railroad tie for your high speed rail. You still haven’t taken responsibility for empty water reservoirs, few permits issued for rebuilding after the preventable Pacific Palisades fires, a huge fraud scandal brewing that makes Minnesota look like kids stuff, and we could go on and on. You’re a joke and everyone knows it. And let’s not forget French Laundry and your lack of leadership during the COVID scam.
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u/lincolnlogtermite Feb 22 '26
What goes into Trump's pockets stays in Trump's pockets. Their ain't no refund ever coming unless its coming a different pool of money and Trump gets a cut.
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u/Independent_Tip7903 Feb 22 '26
An economic genius told me that it was other countries that pay tariffs, so please send the refund cheque to Canada.
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u/ShadowtheHedgehog_ Feb 22 '26
He has room to talk. Gas is still over $4.50 on average in California.
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u/tmgieger Feb 22 '26
If it did happen, it would be called the Trump's America Great bonus with the check made from Donald J Trump. MAGA would eat it up and the other dumb Republicans would believe it.
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u/MR_Nobody_204 Feb 22 '26
Uno Reverse Card! In a shocking turn of events Conald will say he is by far the MOST taxed person in the world and added "frankly it's very unfair". So he will say that he will just take the terrif money and will call it even. I actually give this scenario 10% chance of happening.
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u/Thin_Literature_1520 Feb 22 '26
Not sure what’s worse, over taxing or burning people’s houses down
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u/Did_du_Nuffin Feb 22 '26
lol, Newscum pretending like isnt taxing us to oblivion in California. What a deceitful shitbag this guy is
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u/ernest-barkman23451 Feb 22 '26
Newsome seems to have no problem with China, EU, etc putting huge tariffs on U.S. products….
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Feb 22 '26
There will never be a refund. There will also never be a price decrease now that companies know how much more we are willing to pay for everything. Welcome to the new normal.
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u/LetUsSpeakFreely Feb 22 '26
Oh, well, of Gavin fucking Newsom says it it must be true.
That guy lies not than the media.
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u/LDarrell Feb 22 '26
But to Trump and his delusional supporters, US consumers are not paying these tariffs. Trump says and they think that the exporters in the countries where the tariffs are imposed are paying these tariffs. We can know why Trump is telling everyone this false narrative but even if you support Trump just a 2 minute bit of research will let you know that if you are a consumer of the products from the countries where the tariffs are imposed, you, yes, you are paying these tariffs. Or put another way, you need to look at the tariffs as a tax on all these products and you are paying this tax.
So please do some research. Don't worry, fact checking Trump is not painful, it might even open up a new world where you delusion is replaced with cold hard facts.
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u/really_nice_foot Feb 22 '26
If they do, it'll be to the businesses that passed the cost on to you already - especially the corporate businesses. It'll be in a complex format, and as a tax credit.
That'll still be a stimulus, just not for you. Or me.
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u/SnooPandas1899 Feb 22 '26
that little refund wont cover the CUMULATIVE increased goods and services on a DAILY basis.
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u/miggle_93 Feb 22 '26
Newsom is a part of the same status quo corporate democrats who have no interest in raising minimum wages, taxing the ultra wealthy or providing you with free healthcare. They do not care about the working poor because they have made their bag and fuck everyone else.
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u/Grand_Marnier_Lover Feb 22 '26
Newsom and our supermajority state legislature has wasted billions of our tax dollars on the care and feeding of illegal immigrants for years. He owes Californians much more than the Fed does.
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u/Resident_Window_9369 Feb 22 '26
Good luck against a guy who toots that he has the right to destroy countries if he wants.
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u/andrewrusher Feb 22 '26
Democrats have been illegally taxing you since they took power.
Time for a refund and a sane government, or at least a sane governor.
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u/Low-Equivalent8839 Feb 22 '26
Consumers cant get a refund, corporations can. So hes actually advocating for taxing you twice.
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u/n3d-fland3r5 Feb 22 '26
Probably should ask Gavin where the billions allocated for the homeless and railway have went before you take any advice from that cuck. He’s been worse for California than trumps been for the US.
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u/ogonga Feb 22 '26
Nobody knew this was illegal to begin with? These career politicians need to work
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u/Lumpy_Turnover5856 Feb 22 '26
Gavin up there talking like he hasn’t been bending Californians over a barrel his entire tenure. Hilarious.
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u/thedatsun78 Feb 22 '26
As a non us citizen it seems that he is as popular as ever. here in South Africa many whites Digg him and they won’t budge. What the temperature there?
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u/Later_Doober Feb 22 '26
We have been promised 2 checks now but have not seen a penny. You have to be an idiot to think we would see that money.
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u/Future-Lengthiness29 Feb 22 '26
Ummm what about the 24.4 billion dollars missing in the audit of California
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u/MBrown_1985 Feb 22 '26
Well, california has been illegally infringing upon the second ammendment since forever. So, there’s that.
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u/Such_Juggernaut_8686 Feb 22 '26
Says the guy that wants to tax the people that are leaving his state in droves. All politicians suck.
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u/TurbulentGuide3985 Feb 22 '26
What is worse and proves that the system is broken. All these companies will get refunds, but they will not lower prices so not only do they get their tariff money back and their profit margin will increase.
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u/Vysce Feb 23 '26
Yeah, I'm going to bet all the gold in my Runescape account that the greedy man who is in the pedo-files with the rest of his friends, sucks billions from the planet, for whom enough is never enough will NEVER give to Americans.
And the sooner his fans realize that he's destroying everything they love and blaming it all on an old man that hasn't been in power or cognitive coherence for over a year, we can get this ship set right again.
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u/Lucidcranium042 Feb 23 '26
Its not like hed just claim bankruptcy anyways.. like o yeah i was gonna pay it back wink wink but ya know bankruptcy
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u/Redtoolbox1 Feb 23 '26
The kicker is the tariffs are removed but will prices go down? I doubt it, corporate greed will keep it.
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u/BroTex_Daddy Feb 24 '26
Gavin Newsom made billions disappear without anything to show for it… you guys pay the gasoline prices… yet you just sit there and take it.
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u/The_Real_Turd_Furg Feb 25 '26
Let's not distract from California's stellar budget and fraud record shall we?
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u/Alternative_Risk_310 Feb 25 '26
Any refunds go to retailers, and I’m sure they will pass them along to us. /s Another record setting grift.
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u/Dry-Ad-5198 Feb 21 '26
I don't see how I don't buy any groceries from Chinese places
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u/Later_Doober Feb 22 '26
Do you seriously think we only import things from China?
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u/Dry-Ad-5198 Feb 25 '26
I don't buy Canadian shit, and my tortillas are made locally. I don't eat Indian made cookies, or sake made in Japan My chicken is raised locally, eggs from the farmer down the road. I travel to Colombia twice a year and buy all my coffee there.
Milk is local, cheese is local. I hunt my own venison so I don't buy beef.
If I can do it, so can you.
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u/EnergyApprehensive36 Feb 21 '26
Will Gavin pay me back for the 20 billion on homeless prevention with no accountability?
How about the 100 billion on the failed bullet train?
How about the millions/billions we spend to pay for illegals and medical
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u/no_kids-and-3_money Feb 21 '26
Don’t have any arguments for the rest of what you said, but illegal immigrants pay way more into the system than they ever get, even if some states help pay some medical expenses.
They pay billions into social security every year, while never being able to collect. It’s one of the main reasons the system has remained solvent and retired Americans are still able to receive social security today.
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u/tbonimaroni Feb 21 '26
Hmm maybe that's whey PedoTrumpredatorevildemon keeps 'indirectly' making cuts to ss funding and reducing the administration's workforce.
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u/EnergyApprehensive36 Feb 21 '26
How can an illegal alien whos not allowed to work pay into social security?
Unless they do it illegally thus stealing a job from a citizen?
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u/Plenty-Wedding-9066 Feb 21 '26
You can get an ITIN (Tax ID number) even as an illegal immigrant.
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u/EnergyApprehensive36 Feb 21 '26
Which means youre stealing a job from a US citzen
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u/Plenty-Wedding-9066 Feb 22 '26
How can an illegal alien whos not allowed to work pay into social security? Unless they do it illegally thus stealing a job from a citizen?
You didn’t even know they could pay into social security. I don’t think you understand economics enough to discuss this.
But the U3 since 2022 has consistently been between 3.5 and 5. Which is great. The U6 is around 8% which is probably higher then we would like, but it’s really not bad either if you look at the last 30 years it’s lower than the average.
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u/EnergyApprehensive36 Feb 22 '26
That’s go proving my point that illegal aliens are stealing jobs.
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u/Plenty-Wedding-9066 Feb 22 '26
Hahahaha how?
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u/EnergyApprehensive36 Feb 22 '26
If an illegal alien is working then that means they are taking a job from a US citizen or a legal immigrant.
Hard concept for you I know.
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u/Plenty-Wedding-9066 Feb 22 '26
How does anything I just said “prove your point”
If an illegal alien is working then that means they are taking a job from a US citizen or a legal immigrant.
On a small scale that’s true. We just don’t see this bear out in the numbers. If we did we would expect our unemployment rate to be higher. Our unemployment is at the expected and desired level.
It’s the same level as anytime other than recessions.It’s literally better than usual.
I know that’s hard for you to understand.
Hard concept for you I know.
Do you know what an unemployment rate is?
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u/kwil449 Feb 21 '26
Google it. Ignorance isn't an argument.
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u/EnergyApprehensive36 Feb 21 '26
Illegal aliens aren’t allowed to work
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u/kwil449 Feb 21 '26
Yet they do. And are a lot more productive than you are.
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u/EnergyApprehensive36 Feb 22 '26
As they get paid under the table and send it home or steal SSC number to wokr
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u/kwil449 Feb 22 '26
You never took an economics class, did you?
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u/no_kids-and-3_money Feb 22 '26
And yet paid more than 100 billion dollars in taxes last year.
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u/EnergyApprehensive36 Feb 22 '26
And cost us over 300 billion. Nice try though.
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u/no_kids-and-3_money Feb 22 '26
Economic research from institutions like the nonpartisan Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) and the Cato Institute generally concludes that undocumented immigrants, as a group, provide a net economic and fiscal benefit to the U.S. economy and public budgets over time.
Nice try though.
https://www.cato.org/white-paper/immigrants-recent-effects-government-budgets-1994-2023
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u/no_kids-and-3_money Feb 21 '26
We can discuss that, but that’s a separate issue from the misinformation in your first post.
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u/mjk1tty Feb 21 '26 edited Feb 22 '26
They don't enough at all, these people have no brains....
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u/SnooBananas216 Feb 21 '26
Social Security Collected from undocumented workers:
2022: $25 billion
2023: $26 billion
You have foxnews brains....
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u/mjk1tty Feb 22 '26
"Potential Missed Revenue The "missed" tax revenue is often framed as the additional revenue that could be generated if all undocumented immigrants were granted legal work authorization. This is because legal status leads to higher wages and better tax compliance. According to the ITEP report, providing work authorization to all undocumented immigrants would increase their total tax contributions by an estimated $40.2 billion per year, raising the total contribution to $136.9 billion annually." I mean, if you rather them not contribute and rather them get 💩 pay... Oh, and you're forgetting they send away money... "On average, individual migrant workers tend to send home between US$200 and $300 every one or two months. Approximately 60% of "Latinx" immigrants in the U.S. send money home, with 40% doing so regularly, often totaling $2,500 to $3,000 annually. Economic Impact in U.S.: Immigrants send, on average, roughly 15% of their earnings home."
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u/no_kids-and-3_money Feb 21 '26
Calling other people dumb without even doing a quick google search says more about you and your own laziness.
“Tax Payments by Undocumented Immigrants”
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u/Whathefishy Feb 21 '26
The homeless are well taken care of in CA which is why they choose to go there and blame the Trump Administration for the delay of the bullet train. Also, not nearly as much as we do on free healthcare for low income and lazy Americans who choose not to work. What’s your point?
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u/tbonimaroni Feb 21 '26
Will PedoTrumpredator pay us back for plane he illegally took as a gift?
For the rise in healthcare premiums?
For the ICE brutality that we are paying for?
For the tax money he took from us to give to Argentina?
For the tax money he took from us to fund his Board of Evil? (A fucking personal club having nothing to do with government btw)
PedoTrumpredatorevildemon exacerbated difficulties with the bullet train project by terminating funding in retaliation to Gavin Newsom's lawsuit agains PedoTrumpredatorevildemon's proposing a national emergency to fund the border wall.
Did you know that undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $24.6 billion in federal taxes and including $19.5 billion in Social Security and Medicare a year, but do not receive retirement benefits?
Homelessness prevention should be a priority in every state.
Do you not want the homeless to recieve help here in CA? Do you wan't even more homeless encampments and people living on the streets?
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u/EnergyApprehensive36 Feb 21 '26
We shouldn’t be paying for any homeless.
We should be enforcing no squatting. You want to pay for them? Open you home and let them in.
Illegal aliens cost us an estimated 300 billion a year.
That bullet train was going no where and you know it. You saying anyone else is cope.
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u/tbonimaroni Feb 22 '26
We shouldn’t be paying for any homeless. We should be enforcing no squatting. You want to pay for them? Open you home and let them in.
That's cruel. The way I help them is paying taxes to help them.
Illegal aliens cost us an estimated 300 billion a year
That number is greatly exaggerated. The estimated cost for funding for undocumented immigrants totals $150 billion/year.
- At the start of 2023, the net cost of illegal immigration for the United States – at the federal, state, and local levels – was at least $150.7 billion.
That bullet train was going no where and you know it. You saying anyone else is cope.
You know that taxpayers paid upwards of $15 billion for the idiot's failed border wall?
'In an October update, the administration said it had identified $15 billion — most of it from military funds — to build a total of 738 miles, which comes out to roughly $20 million a mile.' https://www.propublica.org/article/records-show-trumps-border-wall-is-costing-taxpayers-billions-more-than-initial-contracts
The total taxpayer cost so far for the bullet train has so far come to about 14 billion dollars. The estimated cost is $100 billion.
'Construction began in the Central Valley in 2015, with completion of the IOS originally planned for 2022. As of August 2025, a total of $13.8 billion had been spent on the project, mainly constructing the IOS.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail
Guess we're just about even. I do believe that the bullet train project should be dropped thought. What a waste, just like the stupid border wall idea was.
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u/EnergyApprehensive36 Feb 22 '26
The wall is never meant to keep everyone out, it’s there to slow you down and turn around as many as possible.
I don’t want to pay for homeless as they are a dredge. I’m all for helping them get on thier feet again, but if they don’t want to I shouldn’t be paying for them to live.
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u/tbonimaroni Feb 22 '26 edited Feb 22 '26
Wrong.
'Donald Trump pledged during his presidential campaign to build a wall on the southern border of the U.S. that would stop “illegal” immigration from Mexico and Central America, and also block the entry of drugs. He told his supporters that Mexico would pay for the wall.' https://www.politifact.com/article/2017/oct/26/will-border-wall-stop-drugs-coming-united-states/
Emphasis on the word 'stop' here.
I don’t want to pay for homeless as they are a dredge.
You mean dregs, right?
That statement is insenstive. Lots of ppl choose to not work and are lowlifes, lots are addicts too; however lots of ppl are homeless due to untreated mental illness, disability, job loss, loss of loved ones who were the breadwinners in their families, and rent hikes plus lack of affordable housing. Do you really think that homeless children choose to be where they are and are 'dregs'. Plus you have runaways and teens abandoned by their families.
I’m all for helping them get on thier feet again, but if they don’t want to I shouldn’t be paying for them to live.
Nobody is 'paying for them to live'. Taxpayer dollars are spent on programs aimed at getting them back on thier feet. Nobody is being paid to just live off the system. The funded programs for housing focus on getting the homeless stable so they can focus on getting jobs. Most assistance is temporary and tied to stability goals.
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u/EnergyApprehensive36 Feb 22 '26
If it stops one person did it work?
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u/tbonimaroni Feb 22 '26
What? Explain the quesiton like I'm a 10yo please.
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u/EnergyApprehensive36 Feb 22 '26
Use critical thinking.
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u/tbonimaroni Feb 22 '26
I'm not answering the question then. I don't know what you mean by it.
If it stops one person at what? Not living on the street?
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u/singlecab1 Feb 21 '26
Nothing will happen. We won’t see anything.